Jerry on Cold Pizza

[Charles]

Do you even see how funny this comes across?

On the one hand you are maintaining that football people both know and don't know what they are doing. On the other hand you're acting like you know Jerry Jones' thoughts on the matter.

Football people know what they are doing, they are expert in breaking down weakness and analyzing strenghts. I respect the system, but I also know it is flawed in the sense that their analysis can not be proven right or wrong until the player gets on the field and proves.

I was on topic. That's the problem.

Nope. You had to interject the mind reading crap to generate a rebuttal.........

Aactually, yes you did.

"there's nothing he's done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believes we've found our QB of the future"

Charles, ignoring the obvious spelling error to begin the statement that is called a "definitive statement."

I repeat now what I said then. "In your opinion."

You can repeat it until you're blue in the face.............It doesn't change the fact that "there is nothing Henson has done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believe we've found our QB of the future".... it's not a matter of assuming what Jerry Jones is thinking it's simple football logic....... 4good games against inferior opponents will never be the masuring stick.

You had to chase the red herring inorder to generate a rebuttal.......now if for some reason those 4 games made Jerry think so, then like I stated before we've come along way from the days of Troy and Roger

It's real simple Charles. Instead of trying to spin control out of something, realize the original very easy to understand comment which addressed what you typed by highlighting it in bold was exactly what you just said here.

Let me help you out..............

It will all be about Owens coming to Dallas...as if there was anything left to say about that. But I'm sure there are a handful of fans that can't get enough of that crap. Whereas finding out if the Owner of the team feels that we have found our QB of the future or if he is planning on making a move in that direction is just a trivial matter that no real Cowboys fan should care about.

In reply:

What exactly has happened since the end of the season that would make Jerry believe he's found the QB of the future, while I am also excited about Henson's progress, there's nothing he's done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believes we've found our QB of the future and I doubt he'd gone cold pizza and show his hand about which direction the teams heading

So far you're the only one who has infered that I know what Jerry was thinking. I'd expect the average football fan with even limited knowledge to understand that their is absolutly no way 4 good (Not great) games in NFLE can make a person believe they've found their QB of the future.

The mind reading games is garbage to create a rebuttal.

I don't know what Jerry Jones is thinking, but football logic tells any football fan that he can't derive his feelings on way or the other based on 4 good NFLE games.

In other words, a simple, "I didn't mean it to sound like I know what Jerry is thinking" would have sufficed and saved all this drama.

All the drama would have been saved if you used the simplest form of rootball reasoning as I've explained above, but you chose to assume that I thought I knew what Jerry Jones was thinking.......once again I don't know what he's thinking, but I am pretty sure that an owner of Jerry Jones's pedigree wouldn't believe a player was the future after 4 good NFLE games.....simple common sense. If he did then its fair assume he was looking for the 1st silver lining in a storm.

Actually once again you are nowhere near the target. In 2004 we were NOT a playoff team. Nice try at a swerve there. I wanted him to start when the season was already a wash and Vinny was not getting the job done. If you go back you'll also find that the main reason I wanted him to start was to get playing time and develop. Just a little fact that happens to be relevant.

Actually I am right on target. The DallasCowboys were a play-off team going into the 2004 training camp, which was Henson 1st camp with the Cowboys.

After Carter's release you stated that Henson could start over Vinny and Romo in essence start on a play-off team. You don't remember the conversation about how we've got a good defense....... I can find the thread, but I don't have time almost 5pm.

Even the reason you present isn't good enough...infact flawed.......Players on get playing time if they've earned it in practice........they get a chance to develop on a real NFL roster if they've proven their better that other players at their respective position on the roster. Henson did neither. He wasn't good enough to earn playing time and his plasy relegated him to develop on a much lower level..........in NFLE......... reclamation projects and camp fodder league........very simple logic.

The truth is Charles, if we got a QB in the Draft whom I liked I'd feel the exact same way. You seem to assume it is limited to Drew Henson. You assume wrong yet again. If we were to get Jay Cutler I'd be posting about wanting him to play. If we get Brady Quinn next year same thing. When I like a QB and am excited about their potential I share that excitement. I can't help it if it chaps your butt. I'm not about to shut up just because you need money for lotion because the chapping gets so bad.

So you know what I am thinking!!!!

I'd be happy if we got Jay Cutler or Quinn.......I'd be exxcited about their potential too, but I'd hold in the same regard I held, Carter, Chad, Henson , Romo and Leaf..........f#@#$ the potential.......earn the back-up job, hold down the back-up job, challenge the starter........win the sarting job........and prove your worth...........if chaps your butt that Henson hasn't follwed the natural progression then take it up with Troy and Roger they set the standard

On the opposite side of the coin when I am not impressed by a QB I say what I think again. This too chapped your butt because you happened to be championing someone I wasn't impressed with. Maybe bag balm would be better than lotion?

I could careless whether your impressed or not impressed. If you tell me you think a QB got "IT" I'll laugh in your face and tell you don't know because after all is said and done they still have to prove it

I don't know if your feelings are hurt that you missed on Clarett. You dummied up after he scrubbed out.


When Brandon Everage did the same on me and my predictions I didn't run from it or dummy up. JMO, but doing so lost you some respect. Take it for what it is worth.

Like I give a **** about earning respect on a football forum:laugh2:. It worth a damn in the real world.

 

[Charles]

It is very evident that he is coming into his game and why any Cowboys fan would be against that is completely beyond me.

Great post Fuzzy.

I agree..........I am not against Henson, just calling it like it is. He played his way onto an inferior roster. He wasn't sent to NFLE the minute he got to Valley Ranch. He's there because he couldn't earn playing time with the big boys.

Hopefully his progress continues to in the right direction, but it's not like the world is standing still, Bledsoe is back with the QB coach that got him to teh mountain top, I haven't heard that much about Romo and golf this off-season.......he could be getting better........

 

[Hostile]

Football people know what they are doing, they are expert in breaking down weakness and analyzing strenghts. I respect the system, but I also know it is flawed in the sense that their analysis can not be proven right or wrong until the player gets on the field and proves.

Yeah, this is your constant mantra.

Nope. You had to interject the mind reading crap to generate a rebuttal.........

Wrong. My post was that it was in your opinion. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Look at my first post to you. I didn't add anything. I didn't deduce anything. Post #13. Read it. If you are still confused raise your hand.

You can repeat it until you're blue in the face.............It doesn't change the fact that "there is nothing Henson has done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believe we've found our QB of the future".... it's not a matter of assuming what Jerry Jones is thinking it's simple football logic....... 4good games against inferior opponents will never be the masuring stick.

Simple football logic? Yeah, right.

Charles, you made an assumption that you have no idea if it is true or not. Period.

You had to chase the red herring inorder to generate a rebuttal.......now if for some reason those 4 games made Jerry think so, then like I stated before we've come along way from the days of Troy and Roger

You're a red herring? Dude, don't be so hard on yourself. You said it in post #15. Go read it, you said exactly what I said in post 13.

In Your Opinion.

In other words, you acknowledged I said exactly the truth. You interpretted what Jerry thinks.

So far you're the only one who has infered that I know what Jerry was thinking. I'd expect the average football fan with even limited knowledge to understand that their is absolutly no way 4 good (Not great) games in NFLE can make a person believe they've found their QB of the future.

You are fun Charles. No denying that. A lot of fun.

The whole world shares your opinion. It isn't a heliocentirc world, it's a Charles-centric one. The rest of us should just listen to you.



I'll say it again. You have no idea what Jerry has gleaned from Henson's time in NFLE. It's a supposition on your part based on what you already think. You might be right, but it's just as possible you're wrong. Will you admit that? I doubt it.

The mind reading games is garbage to create a rebuttal.

Duh.

I don't know what Jerry Jones is thinking, but football logic tells any football fan that he can't derive his feelings on way or the other based on 4 good NFLE games.

Your football logic. Maybe not his. You should consider for a minute that he sees more than just the 4 games. He probably has scouts. You should consider these things. Will you? Again, don't know.

All the drama would have been saved if you used the simplest form of rootball reasoning as I've explained above, but you chose to assume that I thought I knew what Jerry Jones was thinking.......once again I don't know what he's thinking, but I am pretty sure that an owner of Jerry Jones's pedigree wouldn't believe a player was the future after 4 good NFLE games.....simple common sense. If he did then its fair assume he was looking for the 1st silver lining in a storm.

It's like a self fulfilling prophecy. Say you don't know what he's thinking then explain what he's thinking. You can pretend the disguise of not enough info camouflages all that rubbish, but only for someone related to Crow Magnon.

Hey, if you truly don't see that you're describing the man's thought limitations, then by all means keep the blinders on.

Actually I am right on target. The DallasCowboys were a play-off team going into the 2004 training camp, which was Henson 1st camp with the Cowboys.

They have playoffs in Training Camp? No, they were a playoff team in 2003. There is a difference. Subtle but it's there.

After Carter's release you stated that Henson could start over Vinny and Romo in essence start on a play-off team. You don't remember the conversation about how we've got a good defense....... I can find the thread, but I don't have time almost 5pm.

I'll admit it, I'd like to see the proof of this. Claim it all you want. Show me. If I said that I'll eat crow.

Even the reason you present isn't good enough...infact flawed.......Players on get playing time if they've earned it in practice........they get a chance to develop on a real NFL roster if they've proven their better that other players at their respective position on the roster. Henson did neither. He wasn't good enough to earn playing time and his plasy relegated him to develop on a much lower level..........in NFLE......... reclamation projects and camp fodder league........very simple logic.

I have no idea what all this mumbo jumbo was. Thoughts stop in mid flight. Incomplete thoughts. It reads like the microphone was shorting out.

So you know what I am thinking!!!!

The entire part you just quoted was about what I think Charles. How I'm wired. How you cannot grasp that is really quite eye opening.

I'd be happy if we got Jay Cutler or Quinn.......I'd be exxcited about their potential too, but I'd hold in the same regard I held, Carter, Chad, Henson , Romo and Leaf..........f#@#$ the potential.......earn the back-up job, hold down the back-up job, challenge the starter........win the sarting job........and prove your worth...........if chaps your butt that Henson hasn't follwed the natural progression then take it up with Troy and Roger they set the standard

Good speech. It'll be interesting to see if that was flapping your gums or not.

I could careless whether your impressed or not impressed. If you tell me you think a QB got "IT" I'll laugh in your face and tell you don't know because after all is said and done they still have to prove it

Like I give a **** about earning respect on a football forum:laugh2:. It worth a damn in the real world.

Oh here we go now we got the "everyone is beneath me so I don't care what they think" version of Internet tough guy.

Gotta admit, didn't see that one coming. That's usually reserved for trolls, and you're not a troll.

 

[JackMagist]

I'm sure you are right and there will be little or no mention of Henson...and more's the pity.

It will all be about Owens coming to Dallas...as if there was anything left to say about that. But I'm sure there are a handful of fans that can't get enough of that crap. Whereas finding out if the Owner of the team feels that we have found our QB of the future or if he is planning on making a move in that direction is just a trivial matter that no real Cowboys fan should care about.

Since much of this debate seems to have spun off of my comments here based on Charles' response of:

What exactly has happened since the end of the season that would make Jerry believe he's found the QB of the future, while I am also excited about Henson's progress, theirs nothing he's done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believes we've found our QB of the future and I doubt he'd gone cold pizza and show his hand about which direction the teams heading.

I would like to point out that I never said that ANYTHING had happened to make Jerry think anything. My comment was that I want to know what Jerry thinks. And I would rather hear it from him than from some presumptuous poster on a message board telling me what he thinks Jerry thinks.

For my part I see that Henson has had 3 consecutive good outings in NFLE. I want to know Jerry's opinion of these outings and has he seen what he wanted to see out of Henson. I noticed that after the first week of NFLE we started beating the bushes for QBs; we were looking at Harrington, Whitehurst and that kid from Yale. Now I notice that we seem to have backed off of the QB search. I'd like to hear from Jerry what the brain trust is thinking on the subject now. Is HE convinced that we have our QB or is he still looking for a replacement?

It is just a subject that holds a great deal of interest for me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Great post Fuzzy.

I agree..........I am not against Henson, just calling it like it is. He played his way onto an inferior roster. He wasn't sent to NFLE the minute he got to Valley Ranch. He's there because he couldn't earn playing time with the big boys.

Hopefully his progress continues to in the right direction, but it's not like the world is standing still, Bledsoe is back with the QB coach that got him to teh mountain top, I haven't heard that much about Romo and golf this off-season.......he could be getting better........

And you still denegrate him in your attempted 'levity.'

Look Chuck, he didnt win into any 'inferior' roster. He was signed as a developmental project from the get go.

Whats sad is your entire stake on this whole thing is in a hope that he does the worst of any QB on this roster. I see its impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you on this subject.

 

[Rack]

Hos, you're arguing with a guy that thought (and probably still thinks) Maurice Clarett would be a good NFL RB.


The dude obviously has the football knowledge of a squashed cockroach.

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v454/joannrox/last%20days%202/P1010901.jpg

Actually, I think that cockroach knows more about football then Charles.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am not against Henson, just calling it like it is. He played his way onto an inferior roster. He wasn't sent to NFLE the minute he got to Valley Ranch. He's there because he couldn't earn playing time with the big boys.

I would make a poll asking who really thought Henson would get playing time under BP instead of a vet but it would be very one sided. Comon' now. You really think Henson had any real chance of playing the last couple of years?

 

[Hostile]

Since much of this debate seems to have spun off of my comments here based on Charles' response of:

I would like to point out that I never said that ANYTHING had happened to make Jerry think anything. My comment was that I want to know what Jerry thinks. And I would rather hear it from him than from some presumptuous poster on a message board telling me what he thinks Jerry thinks.

For my part I see that Henson has had 3 consecutive good outings in NFLE. I want to know Jerry's opinion of these outings and has he seen what he wanted to see out of Henson. I noticed that after the first week of NFLE we started beating the bushes for QBs; we were looking at Harrington, Whitehurst and that kid from Yale. Now I notice that we seem to have backed off of the QB search. I'd like to hear from Jerry what the brain trust is thinking on the subject now. Is HE convinced that we have our QB or is he still looking for a replacement?

It is just a subject that holds a great deal of interest for me.

I knew what you meant all along and it was a good question. The assumptions were correct that the Cold Pizza show would focus on TO. No big shock there. Like you, I'd like to know what Jerry thinks about Henson. I think it is infinitely more interesting than the constant blather about TO. Other may disagree and that's cool. Right now as it stands today, the best story of the off season is the success henson is having and the excitement it's generating.

 

[Charles]

Since much of this debate seems to have spun off of my comments here based on Charles' response of:

I would like to point out that I never said that ANYTHING had happened to make Jerry think anything. My comment was that I want to know what Jerry thinks. And I would rather hear it from him than from some presumptuous poster on a message board telling me what he thinks Jerry thinks.

Presumptuos poster:laugh2: ..........44 posts later you summon the cajones to clarify your point. Hos wasn't doing a good enough job

I totally understood your point. You're tired of hearing about Terrell Owens and you'd prefer to hear about Henson.

I'm sure you are right and there will be little or no mention of Henson...and more's the pity.

It will all be about Owens coming to Dallas...as if there was anything left to say about that. But I'm sure there are a handful of fans that can't get enough of that crap. Whereas finding out if the Owner of the team feels that we have found our QB of the future or if he is planning on making a move in that direction is just a trivial matter that no real Cowboys fan should care about.

I think its pretty obvious you wanted Jerry Jones to say something/anything about Henson in regards to being the QB of the future or if he's planning on making a move in that direction.

I clearly replied that nothing Henson has done since the end of the season including the 4 starts in NFLE would make Jerry believe he's the future QB.

My statement had nothing to do with what Jerry thinking.

QBs of the future or franchise QBs earn their title on Sundays not on Saturdays playing in Europe and expecting Jerry Jones to come to any conclusions based on 4 good games in NFLE is laughable.

Drew Henson would have to prove it on Sunday, like Roger Staubach, like Troy Aikman did.

For my part I see that Henson has had 3 consecutive good outings in NFLE. I want to know Jerry's opinion of these outings and has he seen what he wanted to see out of Henson. I noticed that after the first week of NFLE we started beating the bushes for QBs; we were looking at Harrington, Whitehurst and that kid from Yale. Now I notice that we seem to have backed off of the QB search. I'd like to hear from Jerry what the brain trust is thinking on the subject now. Is HE convinced that we have our QB or is he still looking for a replacement?

It is just a subject that holds a great deal of interest for me.

If Jerry Jones is convinced we have "our QB" after 4 good NFLE games then we're in trouble and if you think Henson's 4 game performance needs more than a "it's about time son" then you're bar is set very low.

Basically, 4 good games in NFLE don't warrant a state of the Union speech about our search for the QB of the future........that would be highly presumptuos:

By the way........the DallasCowboys are working out a QB (Brad Smith) . I hope that doesn't mean we haven't found our QB of the future

 

[Hostile]

Hello Cleopatra.

 

[Charles]

Hos, you're arguing with a guy that thought (and probably still thinks) Maurice Clarett would be a good NFL RB.


The dude obviously has the football knowledge of a squashed cockroach.

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v454/joannrox/last%20days%202/P1010901.jpg

Actually, I think that cockroach knows more about football then Charles.

Hey Rack!!! Whats up bro.

We go way back remember this:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22278&page=2&highlight=Clarett

03-21-2005, 02:55 PM
RB is one of the easier positions to learn in football. Its the reason RBs don't get drafted as high as they used to, normally. Who expected NO RBs to get drafted in the top 23 picks last year?

That same reason is the reason no one will take a huge gamble on Clarett. Cuz they can find RBs later w/o taking a risk. Clarett will be a second day pick. Period. I'll be anyone here $20 on that. Please, take that bet cuz I could use the $$$.

In Reply:

03-21-2005, 03:25 PM
Hey I'll take that bet, but if I win I don't want your money, Keep it, just have a couple of beers on me preferrably ice cold Sam Adams.

I think Clarett will be a 1st day pick!!!!!

Is it a bet Rack?

03-21-2005, 07:11 PM
It's a bet!

You just remember one thing Rack...........the football knowledge of a squashed cockroach won the bet:laugh2:

My knowledge........based on Clarett's performance in college a team would take a chance on him Day one. I was right.

Based on your knowledge you thought Clarett would be a Day 2 pick........You were wrong and lost the bet.

I didn't want to take you $20 because I also knew form some friends that work in the sports management field that Maurice Clarett's handlers were getting calls from atleast 8-10 teams that had interest in him mid 3rd to early 4th RD (notice my reluctance to take your money if I won).

Run along Rack........roaches at work

 

[JackMagist]

Presumptuos poster:laugh2: ..........44 posts later you summon the cajones to clarify your point. Hos wasn't doing a good enough job

Hos was doing an excellent job. But since I was involved I thought I'd put in my two cents worth.

BTW it was 44 posts later before I got back home after 13 hours at work. Somehow real life and earning a living still take precedence over arguing with some presumptuous poster on a message board.

And now I'm off to go back to that job...I'll check in when I get home tonight. In the mean time; keep up the good work Hos.

 

[Hostile]

Hos was doing an excellent job. But since I was involved I thought I'd put in my two cents worth.

BTW it was 44 posts later before I got back home after 13 hours at work. Somehow real life and earning a living still take precedence over arguing with some presumptuous poster on a message board.

And now I'm off to go back to that job...I'll check in when I get home tonight. In the mean time; keep up the good work Hos.

I'm so glad I have evidence that it wasn't only me who was of the opinion that he was speaking for Jerry just a little bit early.



I just can't figure out his claims. Jerry doesn't have enough info. Definitive statement based upon nothing concrete said by Jerry, but he's not interpreting Jerry's thoughts.

That math just doesn't add up. If he had simply said he didn't mean to imply he knew Jerry's thoughts none of this unfolds. Instead he had to spin doctor it into something no one else sees.

 

[Alexander]

Hey Rack!!! Whats up bro.

We go way back remember this:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22278&page=2&highlight=Clarett

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In Reply:





You just remember one thing Rack...........the football knowledge of a squashed cockroach won the bet:laugh2:

My knowledge........based on Clarett's performance in college a team would take a chance on him Day one. I was right.

Based on your knowledge you thought Clarett would be a Day 2 pick........You were wrong and lost the bet.

I didn't want to take you $20 because I also knew form some friends that work in the sports management field that Maurice Clarett's handlers were getting calls from atleast 8-10 teams that had interest in him mid 3rd to early 4th RD (notice my reluctance to take your money if I won).

Run along Rack........roaches at work

I believe the term is "owned"?

 

[austintodallas]

Was there ever an actual recap to this? Was Jerry even on Cold Pizza at all?

 

[silverbear]

My knowledge........based on Clarett's performance in college a team would take a chance on him Day one. I was right.

Lemme get this straight-- you're woofing because the Broncos were STUPID enough to draft that loser on the last pick of the first day?? One whole pick before the 2nd day?? Even after he PROVED how stupid the Broncos were, by getting CUT??

Based on your knowledge you thought Clarett would be a Day 2 pick........You were wrong and lost the bet.

And again, where is that piece of crap NOW?? Hmmmm, he doesn't seem to be on anybody's roster... precisely as I predicted, any team that drafted him would be wasting a pick... the Broncos were idiotic to waste a 3rd rounder on him...

WOW, I'm impressed with your knowledge...

 

[WoodysGirl]

Was there ever an actual recap to this? Was Jerry even on Cold Pizza at all?

Recap= Nope
Jerry= Yep

I mentioned earlier in the thread what was discussed. Bunch of nothing, IMO.

 

[ravidubey]

I believe the term is "owned"?

Wow. No other way to put it, really.

 

[austintodallas]

Recap= Nope
Jerry= Yep

I mentioned earlier in the thread what was discussed. Bunch of nothing, IMO.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[TheEnigma]

I clearly replied that nothing Henson has done since the end of the season including the 4 starts in NFLE would make Jerry believe he's the future QB.

My statement had nothing to do with what Jerry thinking.

True, your argument had nothing to do with what Jerry was thinking. But, your assumption that the offseason and 4 starts in NFLE would not change the way Jerry thinks, is just an opinion.

Lets look at an example. Lets assume I have never been on a roller coaster. One day, I go to a theme park and ride a roller coaster. Jack comes out and says that I couldn't have grown to love roller coasters based on 1 ride. Bobby says that I could have grown to love roller coasters based off of 1 ride. Is Jack correct in his assessment? Nobody knows, because I haven't told anybody. Same with Bobby. Now, they could both look at my past record, maybe I fell in love with a certain candy bar after 1 bite. But they still wouldn't know for sure how I felt about that roller coaster after 1 ride.

In the same way, we have no idea what Jerry is thinking about Henson right now. We can speculate all we want, but nobody knows if 4 NFLE games would make Jerry fall in love again with Henson, that is of course once again making another assumption that he fell out of love with him.

We could look at his past record, but that is flawed too as we just learned. We all thought Parcells was super loyal to "his" guys. Then he goes and releases Keyshawn Johnson and allows TO to be signed. Thats what makes the offseason great, (when stuff is actually happening that is) there are surprises around every corner.

Message boards are all about speculation. Some people look down on speculating anything, but they are missing the point. Speculation breeds conversation, and isn't that what the purpose of a message board is?