Jerry on Cold Pizza

[Jay]

Quincy man love, it 's a beautiful thing. Will you be traveling to Canada to catch a game or two?:laugh1:

 

[Hostile]

Good literary work, but highly unnecessary.

I have no idea what you mean by "highly unecessary." I'm not allowed rebuttal?

Get real.

 

[noshame]

Carry on Hos.

 

[silverbear]

It sure is amazing how every thread seems to be turning into a Henson argument today...

I really, really can't figure out why ANY Cowboys fan would have a problem with Drew Henson... we should ALL be hoping he kicks major butt over in Europe, if only because the Cowboys will be in better shape if he does show some game over there...

The flip side, of course, is that it's silly to be getting TOO excited about his play to date, but at least fans doing that are erring on the side of optimism, so I won't be critical of that... in fact, deep down in my furry little heart, I hope the pollyannas are right...

 

[Hostile]

Carry on Hos.

Thanks noshame, I think I will.

 

[4lifecowboy]

It's hard not to get excited he is showing good decision making, a very good feel for pressure, a strong ability to throw on the run in either direction with accuracy, on top of a cannon for an arm. This is the most extended look any of us has seen of Henson, and he has made me very optimistic about how good he could be.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Watched it, but no recap... was on the phone

Basically, it was TO talk.

Why did u sign him? Did u have any concerns?
Saw that he mentioned Keyshawn. Spoke well of him I think.
Talked about Cowboys being America's team.
Showed old 'boys footage.



Nothing newsworthy.

 

[Hostile]

It sure is amazing how every thread seems to be turning into a Henson argument today...

I really, really can't figure out why ANY Cowboys fan would have a problem with Drew Henson... we should ALL be hoping he kicks major butt over in Europe, if only because the Cowboys will be in better shape if he does show some game over there...

The flip side, of course, is that it's silly to be getting TOO excited about his play to date, but at least fans doing that are erring on the side of optimism, so I won't be critical of that... in fact, deep down in my furry little heart, I hope the pollyannas are right...

Charles got his feelings hurt (I have long assumed) a long time ago in a heated debate with me about whether or not I know my butt from a hole in the ground about QBs. Ever since then he's been doggedly trying to prove that I really have no clue when it comes to judging QBs. At every turn so far he's been rebuffed because I'm either lucky as hell or I actually do know more than he gives me credit for.

I can practically guarantee you that if I did not like Drew Henson, Charles would be singing his praises. I was immediately excited when Henson was acquired. That put him right below OJ in Charles' eyes.

 

[5Stars]

This is the most extended look any of us has seen of Henson...

You know, I think that statement right there is right on! I'm skeptical about Henson because I never watched him play at the college level, and I only say him in the times he played with the Boyz, so right there I was not impressed, because I was basing my opnion on the "another baseballer"!

But, now that I have watched all 4 games of his in NFLE, I really think he might just have a damn good chance at the NFL level!

Our Speedy poster was roaring about how Carter played against real NFL teams, yet, he forgets that QC had to be taught how to take a friggen snap from center, how to not throw up those wobbly ducks, and Parcells only gave QC one half of the field to operate on?

Like I said in another post, I already think Henson is better then QC! I have yet to see a "duck" from Henson, yet to see many ints., I HAVE seen some remarkable decision making from Henson, and we all know the decisions that QC has made....

Yes, this is NFLE, so what? Get the foundation in place, then build the house...

 

[silverbear]

Charles got his feelings hurt (I have long assumed) a long time ago in a heated debate with me about whether or not I know my butt from a hole in the ground about QBs.

And what did y'all eventually decide about that??

Ever since then he's been doggedly trying to prove that I really have no clue when it comes to judging QBs. At every turn so far he's been rebuffed because I'm either lucky as hell or I actually do know more than he gives me credit for.

Your own cyber-stalker, eh?? That's cool, I've had a few in my time... and a singularly devoted bunch they were, LOL...

I can practically guarantee you that if I did not like Drew Henson, Charles would be singing his praises. I was immediately excited when Henson was acquired. That put him right below OJ in Charles' eyes.

I'll bet you like OJ too, don't you?? I'll admit, he WAS pretty funny in those Leslie Nielsen movies...

 

[Charles]

You can believe this all you want. I will maintain, and be right by the way, that football people do in fact know if someone has "IT." In fact most of them are so good at their jobs that they can know this about players from scrimmages, practices, and even private workouts along with actual game film study of their college careers. It's called scouting. Unique concept pretty much accepted league wide.

You should look into it. Fascinating stuff.

After reading this.......I thought to myself........so what.!!!!!

Scouting isn't an exact science and any sensible football person would tell that even if they thought a player had "IT" that player would still have to EARN his way on the FIELD and PROVE "IT"

I agree it is fascinating. That a Football genius of Bill Walsh's caliber can see "IT" in both Joe Montana and Jim Drunkenmiller.

So as mperfection elloquently stated in his reply "Good literary work, but highly unnecessary".........I'll be blunt and add stay on topic..............

Again, you do not know what Jerry thinks of him, though you acted as if you did. That statement was nothing more than your opinion, because I highly doubt you went to Arkansas and lived in the same dorm as Jerry Jones. That story line has been tried here and proven false.

Actually I didn't act as if I knew what Jerry was thinking, but I am not surprised you'd think so........... it's they only way you could generate a "rebuttal" (in your own words).........the post clearly states that if 4 good games in NFLE are a measuring stick for whether or not a QB has what it takes to be our next QB then we've fallen along way from the days of Staubach and Troy.

Get this very clear........I don't know what Jerry is thinking, but if the 4 NFLE games lend him to believe Henson has what it takes to be out future QB then we are in deep trouble, because last time I checked Staubach and Troy did it by working their way into the starting spot and NOT regressing their way back to double AA leagues.

Your opinion is probably a very wrong opinion.

If your talking about my opinion that 4 games can't be the measuring stick noise from your Harley is frying your brains.

The Jerry Jones mind reading crap is something you create to form a rebuttal.

I think Jerry Jones is the type of guy who isn't wishy washy on these things. Rather he's a successful man because his determination drives him. Assuming he's running around in the dark is laughable. Naive, but laughable.

Jerry's track record speaks for itself.......He could love Henson today and drop him in a Newyork minute for the next prospect that catches his eye, doesn't change the fact that Henson still hasn't yet done anything to earn playing time on a real NFL roster, thus his relegation to the NFLE.

Charles got his feelings hurt (I have long assumed) a long time ago in a heated debate with me about whether or not I know my butt from a hole in the ground about QBs. Ever since then he's been doggedly trying to prove that I really have no clue when it comes to judging QBs. At every turn so far he's been rebuffed because I'm either lucky as hell or I actually do know more than he gives me credit for.

Feeling hurt, by a sports internet poster. You take yourself way to seriously. So what if you are right or wrong?

Henson might eventually get over the hump, but the fact remains no one will ever know whether he has it until he proves it. Much greater football minds, scouts have been proven wrong, so why should I really give your opinion much weight.

The facts are Henson has regressed, while you thought that he migfht be good enough to start in 2004 on a play-off team.

I also thought that Maurice Clarett would eventually become the Bronco's featurede RB by mid-season last year if he made the team. I was wrong........Are my feeling hurt

Get real........Its just a football forum.......the best I might add

I give you alot of credit. We've agreed on numerous issues. We both liked Chris Simms..etc. We've disagreed on alot of issues........I enjoy your posts.

I can practically guarantee you that if I did not like Drew Henson, Charles would be singing his praises. I was immediately excited when Henson was acquired. That put him right below OJ in Charles' eyes.

I guess every Superhero needs an enemy vice versa. Below OJ... That was funny, by the way OJ was proven not guilty.......but I guess you were able to see that he did "IT".

Like many posters on this board, I watched Henson is college. Infact I attend 2 of his games. He was the best QB I'd seen play since watching Leftwich at HD Woodson in DC I was never against the idea of signing him, but I was realistic enough to know that even if he had "IT" it would be a miracle if he were able to come back from 3-1/2 years off to play effectively in the NFL.

For this I am labelled to have an agenda and hate for Henson. I'll wear it like a badge of honor

 

[Charles]

Watched it, but no recap... was on the phone

Basically, it was TO talk.

Why did u sign him? Did u have any concerns?
Saw that he mentioned Keyshawn. Spoke well of him I think.
Talked about Cowboys being America's team.
Showed old 'boys footage.



Nothing newsworthy.

You gotta be kidding....................

Well I don't know what he's thinking, but I am not surprised he didn't say Henson has what it takes after 4 good NFLE games

 

[Hostile]

And what did y'all eventually decide about that??

Being as how I've never stepped in my butt, I feel like I do know the difference.

Your own cyber-stalker, eh?? That's cool, I've had a few in my time... and a singularly devoted bunch they were, LOL...

It's all in good fun between me and Charles. He knows I know that.

I'll bet you like OJ too, don't you?? I'll admit, he WAS pretty funny in those Leslie Nielsen movies...

I acutally liked OJ very much as a football player.

 

[Hostile]

After reading this.......I thought to myself........so what.!!!!!

Scouting isn't an exact science and any sensible football person would tell that even if they thought a player had "IT" that player would still have to EARN his way on the FIELD and PROVE "IT"

I agree it is fascinating. That a Football genius of Bill Walsh's caliber can see "IT" in both Joe Montana and Jim Drunkenmiller.

So as mperfection elloquently stated in his reply "Good literary work, but highly unnecessary".........I'll be blunt and add stay on topic..............

Do you even see how funny this comes across?

On the one hand you are maintaining that football people both know and don't know what they are doing. On the other hand you're acting like you know Jerry Jones' thoughts on the matter.

I was on topic. That's the problem.

Actually I didn't act as if I knew what Jerry was thinking, but I am not surprised you'd think so........... it's they only way you could generate a "rebuttal" (in your own words).........the post clearly states that if 4 good games in NFLE are a measuring stick for whether or not a QB has what it takes to be our next QB then we've fallen along way from the days of Staubach and Troy.

Aactually, yes you did.

"theirs nothing he's done in the past 4 starts that would make Jerry Jones believes we've found our QB of the future"

Charles, ignoring the obvious spelling error to begin the statement that is called a "definitive statement."

I repeat now what I said then. "In your opinion."

Get this very clear........I don't know what Jerry is thinking, but if the 4 NFLE games lend him to believe Henson has what it takes to be out future QB then we are in deep trouble, because last time I checked Staubach and Troy did it by working their way into the starting spot and NOT regressing their way back to double AA leagues.

It's real simple Charles. Instead of trying to spin control out of something, realize the original very easy to understand comment which addressed what you typed by highlighting it in bold was exactly what you just said here.

In other words, a simple, "I didn't mean it to sound like I know what Jerry is thinking" would have sufficed and saved all this drama.

I know, I know, you like the drama.

:wink2:

If your talking about my opinion that 4 games can't be the measuring stick noise from your Harley is frying your brains.

I had to sell my Harley a few months ago Charles. I can't wait to get another one soon so that once again my having a motorcycle will be some kind of problem for you.

The Jerry Jones mind reading crap is something you create to form a rebuttal.

No, if you look closely, I simply added the caveat "in your opinion" as the original rebuttal of your definitive statement.

Jerry's track record speaks for itself.......He could love Henson today and drop him in a Newyork minute for the next prospect that catches his eye, doesn't change the fact that Henson still hasn't yet done anything to earn playing time on a real NFL roster, thus his relegation to the NFLE.

What this has to do with anything dealing with what we've been discussing is beyond me so I'll simply agree with you so we can drop this rubbish.

Feeling hurt, by a sports internet poster. You take yourself way to seriously. So what if you are right or wrong?

That's what I say too Charles. You missed the smiley at the end of the post and focused right in on taking the joke seriously. I knew you would by the way. You're beyond predictable. Art could take lessons from you in fact.

Henson might eventually get over the hump, but the fact remains no one will ever know whether he has it until he proves it. Much greater football minds, scouts have been proven wrong, so why should I really give your opinion much weight.

I dunno, but you sure do seem to get your jollies trying to prove me wrong and failing every time to do it.

The facts are Henson has regressed, while you thought that he migfht be good enough to start in 2004 on a play-off team.

Actually once again you are nowhere near the target. In 2004 we were NOT a playoff team. Nice try at a swerve there. I wanted him to start when the season was already a wash and Vinny was not getting the job done. If you go back you'll also find that the main reason I wanted him to start was to get playing time and develop. Just a little fact that happens to be relevant.

The truth is Charles, if we got a QB in the Draft whom I liked I'd feel the exact same way. You seem to assume it is limited to Drew Henson. You assume wrong yet again. If we were to get Jay Cutler I'd be posting about wanting him to play. If we get Brady Quinn next year same thing. When I like a QB and am excited about their potential I share that excitement. I can't help it if it chaps your butt. I'm not about to shut up just because you need money for lotion because the chapping gets so bad.

On the opposite side of the coin when I am not impressed by a QB I say what I think again. This too chapped your butt because you happened to be championing someone I wasn't impressed with. Maybe bag balm would be better than lotion?

I also thought that Maurice Clarett would eventually become the Bronco's featurede RB by mid-season last year if he made the team. I was wrong........Are my feeling hurt

I don't know if your feelings are hurt that you missed on Clarett. You dummied up after he scrubbed out.

When Brandon Everage did the same on me and my predictions I didn't run from it or dummy up. JMO, but doing so lost you some respect. Take it for what it is worth.

Get real........Its just a football forum.......the best I might add

Isn't it though?

I give you alot of credit. We've agreed on numerous issues. We both liked Chris Simms..etc. We've disagreed on alot of issues........I enjoy your posts.

It's mutual. You know that.

I guess every Superhero needs an enemy vice versa. Below OJ... That was funny, by the way OJ was proven not guilty.......but I guess you were able to see that he did "IT".

Actually I offered no opinion on OJ beyond that I'm ranked somewhere around him as a villian in your eyes. Once again you attempt to read my mind and assign me a thought process.

Like many posters on this board, I watched Henson is college. Infact I attend 2 of his games. He was the best QB I'd seen play since watching Leftwich at HD Woodson in DC I was never against the idea of signing him, but I was realistic enough to know that even if he had "IT" it would be a miracle if he were able to come back from 3-1/2 years off to play effectively in the NFL.

Good insight. You should have shared this a lot sooner.

For this I am labelled to have an agenda and hate for Henson. I'll wear it like a badge of honor

Until such time as he actually proves himself then I expect more of the dummy up.

:wink2:

 

[Hostile]

You gotta be kidding....................

Well I don't know what he's thinking, but I am not surprised he didn't say Henson has what it takes after 4 good NFLE games

Could it possibly be because it wasn't asked?

Hmmmmm.

Seriously Charles, do you think this stuff you throw out isn't transparent? Windex isn't this clear.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I acutally liked OJ very much as a football player.

Yup, as a football player and actor he was fine,, but as a ex-husband he just couldn't cut it,,,, er, wait a minute,,, let me rephrase that.

 

[Hostile]

Yup, as a football player and actor he was fine,, but as a ex-husband he just couldn't cut it,,,, er, wait a minute,,, let me rephrase that.

I wish you would.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Charles,

Im sure that there can be projections done of stats of players moving from NFLE to the NFL. Im also sure that the stats would be projected from one leageue to another show a dropoff in production moving to the next level.

I really draw correlations between NFLE and AAA baseball because the two leagues are very similar in player development. There are two dynamics that you look for in AAA.

1) That a players stats show an imporvement. Now this is really where the NFLs systems pales to MLB in that you get to see a prospect gorw as he prgresses thru the minor leagues.

2) Taht a player might be AAAA worthy. Basically meaning that they can dominate at the AAA level but they have hit their ceiling and are not going to progress once reaching the big show.

Now as for Henson in his respective league the guy has shown a very steep upward slope of progress. This is not only from the context of his mechanics where he is throwing crisp accurate passes with excellent velocity and looking comfortable dropping back from center, but also with his 'feel' for the game.

He is feeling pressure and moving away from it and reading defenses to find his open man. Compare this too last preseason where he looked downright uncomfortable and it doesnt take a brain surgeon to realize that the guy is coming along.

This leads me to believe that his curve is not plateauing and he wont be the dreaded AAAA prospect. It is very evident that he is coming into his game and why any Cowboys fan would be against that is completely beyond me.

 

[Hostile]

Charles,

Im sure that there can be projections done of stats of players moving from NFLE to the NFL. Im also sure that the stats would be projected from one leageue to another show a dropoff in production moving to the next level.

I really draw correlations between NFLE and AAA baseball because the two leagues are very similar in player development. There are two dynamics that you look for in AAA.

1) That a players stats show an imporvement. Now this is really where the NFLs systems pales to MLB in that you get to see a prospect gorw as he prgresses thru the minor leagues.

2) Taht a player might be AAAA worthy. Basically meaning that they can dominate at the AAA level but they have hit their ceiling and are not going to progress once reaching the big show.

Now as for Henson in his respective league the guy has shown a very steep upward slope of progress. This is not only from the context of his mechanics where he is throwing crisp accurate passes with excellent velocity and looking comfortable dropping back from center, but also with his 'feel' for the game.

He is feeling pressure and moving away from it and reading defenses to find his open man. Compare this too last preseason where he looked downright uncomfortable and it doesnt take a brain surgeon to realize that the guy is coming along.

This leads me to believe that his curve is not plateauing and he wont be the dreaded AAAA prospect. It is very evident that he is coming into his game and why any Cowboys fan would be against that is completely beyond me.

Really nice post Fuzzy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Really nice post Fuzzy.

Thanks and I want to expand on that a bit.

First of all from a confidence standpoint this experience has to be a breath of fresh air for Henson.

Regardless of all of his pluses, Henson ulitmately couldnt hit a breaking ball at the AAA level and it scuttled his baseball career. For a man of pride that had to put in as much work as he did moving thru the minor leagues that must have been a blow to him.

Fast forward to coming to Dallas and last season, thumb injury or not, Henson was beat out by Romo for the backup job.

Now Henson probably has a unique perspective on NFLE having dealt with AAA baseball and for him to succeed there where he had failed at AAA has to be a HUGE motivator to him. All of a sudden he has to know as he is shining in NFLE that he has a very good shot at success at the next level.

I dont think hes going to be short on confidence after this experience whereas despite his cool demeanor hes had a few setbacks in the past few years.