Jerry Owe Dolphins?

[DCBoysfan]

For the first time in a long time ESPN had a good point. The Phins did Jerry a favor last year in letting Jerry hire Garrett. Is Ireland or Sparano going to be a pay back?

They didnt do him a favor Garrett was given a promotion from QB Coach to Offense Cordinator.

 

[superpunk]

It was an upward move going from QB coach to Offensive Coordinator. If Garrett wanted to go, there's nothing the Fins could have done about it. There was no favor being done by Miami.

I believe you're wrong on that. Teams were getting away with that crap by inventing coaching positions so that they could make it an "upward move" and steal other teams position coaches. Now, the only reason a team would need to let a position coach or coordinator under contract talk to another team is if the other team is offering a head coaching gig. Otherwise, they can block any move, and prevent other teams from talking to coaches under contract. The Phins did us a favor letting us go after Garrett, most definitely.

 

[khiladi]

I believe you're wrong on that. Teams were getting away with that crap by inventing coaching positions so that they could make it an "upward move" and steal other teams position coaches. Now, the only reason a team would need to let a position coach or coordinator under contract talk to another team is if the other team is offering a head coaching gig. Otherwise, they can block any move, and prevent other teams from talking to coaches under contract. The Phins did us a favor letting us go after Garrett, most definitely.

Well, we did not make up a position to steal Garrett. He made a real move upwards. It would have left a bad taste in the mouth of Garrett, if he was refused an opportunity to be an OC which he would not have gotten in Miami.

The point is Garrett wasn't going to make that much of an impact in Miami, so it isn't like they were doing Dallas a favor on th scale that we would be, by giving them Ireland. That is just stupid.

 

[David276]

screw the dolphins and espn digging for stories . maybe if they trade us their pick

 

[Alexander]

Well, we did not make up a position to steal Garrett. He made a real move upwards. It would have left a bad taste in the mouth of Garrett, if he was refused an opportunity to be an OC which he would not have gotten in Miami.

The point is Garrett wasn't going to make that much of an impact in Miami, so it isn't like they were doing Dallas a favor on th scale that we would be, by giving them Ireland. That is just stupid.

With the change in regime to Cameron, I think Garrett would have been the offensive coordinator, but he would not call plays.

That is why Huzienga put the condition in there that if he came to Dallas he should have that step up in responsibilities.

 

[superpunk]

Well, we did not make up a position to steal Garrett. He made a real move upwards. It would have left a bad taste in the mouth of Garrett, if he was refused an opportunity to be an OC which he would not have gotten in Miami.

The point is Garrett wasn't going to make that much of an impact in Miami, so it isn't like they were doing Dallas a favor on th scale that we would be, by giving them Ireland. That is just stupid.

The rules are the rules. And if I'm correct, Huizenga could block any move to hire Garrett that did not make him a head coach. Therefore, it was a favor for him to allow Jerry to talk to Garrett, evidenced by the fact that Huizenga put a time limit on how long Jerry had to offer Garrett a job.

I'm not saying Jerry will throw him a bone - or that he should. But Wayne did Jerry a favor, and I'd suspect in that fraternity favors are generally expected to be repaid.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

If Jerry "pays them back" by letting Ireland go to the Fins, I and am sure many others here will be pissed.

 

[CATCH17]

If Jerry "pays them back" by letting Ireland go to the Fins, I and am sure many others here will be pissed.

im just affraid other teams are going to try and rape our roster, staff, and anything else they can get their hands on for the next few years

 

[Matt]

What about the late 90's? We gave Miami Jimmy!

 

[Rack]

It was an upward move going from QB coach to Offensive Coordinator. If Garrett wanted to go, there's nothing the Fins could have done about it. There was no favor being done by Miami.

That's incorrect. The NFL classifies coaches as assistants or head coaches. They don't view going from QB coach to OC as an "upward move". It would be going from assistant to assistant in their view. The ONLY a team can "take" an assistant w/his current employer having no say in the matter is if he's being hired as a head coach. The dolphins DID do us a favor by letting us hire Garrett.

That said, it's one thing to let a QB coach go. It's something completely different to allow your head talent evaluator go.

 

[Dodger12]

Well, we did not make up a position to steal Garrett. He made a real move upwards. It would have left a bad taste in the mouth of Garrett, if he was refused an opportunity to be an OC which he would not have gotten in Miami.
The point is Garrett wasn't going to make that much of an impact in Miami, so it isn't like they were doing Dallas a favor on th scale that we would be, by giving them Ireland. That is just stupid.

You mean like the Cowboys refusing to allow teams to interview Sporano for the OC jobs, then take away his play calling duties, give them to a rookie coordinator and former QB coach, then give him a token promotion to Assistant HC. I'm sure that didn't leave a bad taste in Sparano's mouth.

Miami did us a favor and Huizenga could have refused to allow Garrett to interview for the OC job.

By the same token, we wouldn't be "giving" them Ireland. We'd allow them permision to interview him and, at the end of the day, it would be completely up to him whether or not he'd accept the job.

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

For the first time in a long time ESPN had a good point. The Phins did Jerry a favor last year in letting Jerry hire Garrett. Is Ireland or Sparano going to be a pay back?

We don't owe then squat!!

 

[superpunk]

Having said that, Jason just wasn't going to be available if I waited until I made the decision on the head coach. The only way to get him was that he would call the plays. [Miami Dolphins owner] Wayne Huizenga said, "I'm not going to let you have him only to be a position coach."

This seems to support the position that Huizenga did not have to allow us to talk to Garrett, since this wasn't a move to head coach and Garrett was under contract. However, I'd guess Garrett let Wayne know where his heart was, and Wayne allowed Jerry to negotiate with the caveat that Jason would have to call plays - be more than a position coach.

 

[Randy White]

This seems to support the position that Huizenga did not have to allow us to talk to Garrett, since this wasn't a move to head coach and Garrett was under contract. However, I'd guess Garrett let Wayne know where his heart was, and Wayne allowed Jerry to negotiate with the caveat that Jason would have to call plays - be more than a position coach.

That's exactly why I think Jerrah should do the right thing ( and I think, ultimately, that's what he's going to do ) and by that I mean, letting Sparano and Ireland know that he ( Jerrah ) would like an opportunity to counter the Dullphins' offer, but that he wouldn't stand in their way if either of them wants to go there.

 

[superpunk]

That's exactly why I think Jerrah should do the right thing ( and I think, ultimately, that's what he's going to do ) and by that I mean, letting Sparano and Ireland know that he ( Jerrah ) would like an opportunity to counter the Dullphins' offer, but that he wouldn't stand in their way if either of them wants to go there.

That would make sense. Allow Huizenga to "make them an offer they can't refuse". Heck, if Parcells is as much of an overbearing tyrant as we're led to believe by many here, then Sparano and Ireland would probably never even pick up the phone, since they'd simply be getting stifled all the time.

If there's someone on our team that Huizenga and Parcells want to talk to, I'm sure Jerry will allow them the same kindness that Huizenga allowed Jerry. One good turn deserves another. And if Ireland or someone else has a brighter future in Miami than Dallas, Jerry won't refuse him that chance.

 

[Randy White]

he could also do the Godfather thing and give both an offer THEY can't refuse, taking them out of the market..

:laugh1:

 

[sago1]

Also don't forget that Dolphins were bringing in a new head coach, etc & frankly you gotta wonder if Garrett would have been wanted by the new coaching staff. Not so sure how much of a favor Dolphins' owner did but a little of course. sownerwould