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[SMCowboy]

3. DUKE ROBINSON Oklahoma 6-5 330 5.34 2-3
Three-year starter at LG. "He is one of the few power guards in this draft," San Francisco personnel director Trent Baalke said. "He's coming off a year in which he was plagued by an ankle injury. His inconsistency on film, his inability to dominate on a consistent basis, is a concern. If he decides he wants to be a pro, then he's got a good chance to develop." Appears to tire and then takes downs off. Frequently overextends in protection. "He's not fat," one scout said. "He's a terrific athlete who had a great year as a junior. He's not real bright." Grew up in the toughest sections of Atlanta. Doesn't fit teams with a zone-blocking scheme. "He's completely overrated," another scout said. "They rotate him in and out of there. He's huge and has some athletic ability, but he's out of control. He doesn't move his feet. He falls on the ground all the time. He's lazy. He's a mess."

Well, seems like some like him, some hate him.... Not really all that unusual....

 

[SMCowboy]

Please, I understand the oil + gas business, this isn't it. Jerry has made a lot of other impetuous moves since he's been playing GM. Again, I'm sure that he looked at this year's draft, but I think that his short-term needs and impatience were larger factors. The injured Roy Williams would have put up crap #'s last year and would have come at a price that might have justified his risky health profile if we picked him up this year. Much better risk/reward pricing.

You are still assuming that Roy Williams would have even been on the market this year with the new regime in Detroit. It is FAR from a guarantee that Detroit would even be willing to trade Roy Williams right now....

Also, if you would listen, Jerry was saying at the time of the trade even that a big reason for the trade, is that what first round players get in the draft, they did not feel that it was worth the risk of having a late first round DP, he would rather have a proven NFL player.

Also, at the time of the trade, Roy Williams was supposedly no injured, so you are using hind site as 20/20.... Get your hatred out of the way, and look at what WAS known at the time.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

How can anyone have confidence in our ability to draft an OL?!

If we had hit on one or two of the ones we've drafted over the past 4 years we would be in great shape.

What has changed in our evaluation process of OL to make us think this year is going to be better?

 

[Chief]

Well, seems like some like him, some hate him.... Not really all that unusual....

The ones that supposedly like him also added that he's inconsistent and "not bright."

 

[LucaBrasi]

3. DUKE ROBINSON Oklahoma 6-5 330 5.34 2-3
Three-year starter at LG. "He is one of the few power guards in this draft," San Francisco personnel director Trent Baalke said. "He's coming off a year in which he was plagued by an ankle injury. His inconsistency on film, his inability to dominate on a consistent basis, is a concern. If he decides he wants to be a pro, then he's got a good chance to develop." Appears to tire and then takes downs off. Frequently overextends in protection. "He's not fat," one scout said. "He's a terrific athlete who had a great year as a junior. He's not real bright." Grew up in the toughest sections of Atlanta. Doesn't fit teams with a zone-blocking scheme. "He's completely overrated," another scout said. "They rotate him in and out of there. He's huge and has some athletic ability, but he's out of control. He doesn't move his feet. He falls on the ground all the time. He's lazy. He's a mess."

and he got destroyed in the BCS Title game against Florida.

 

[Apollo Creed]

They really said the right things. The one thing we can't afford to have, capless year or not, is another draft like 2006 or 2007.

We need to hit on 2 or 3 guys at positions like NT/T/G, not necessarily glamorous positions but I think investing in those positions if guys are there would be the best thing for our organization.

But I personally wouldn't care if we took Robiskie, or traded up for Nicks or Delmas.

I know if they follow the same plan they had in 2008, we will be just fine. I just have a feeling we're going to go WR/SS/ILB/OL/NT. When the best thing to do would go the opposite way.

 

[Chief]

How can anyone have confidence in our ability to draft an OL?!

If we had hit on one or two of the ones we've drafted over the past 4 years we would be in great shape.

What has changed in our evaluation process of OL to make us think this year is going to be better?

Maybe this year, they should do like George Constanza and just do the opposite of what they would normally do when it comes to drafting offensive linemen.

I still have hope. They can't give up.

To me, the key to this draft for the Cowboys is to come out of it with hungry, competive battlers who make their living blocking and tackling.

 

[This is Our Year]

They really said the right things. The one thing we can't afford to have, capless year or not, is another draft like 2006 or 2007.

We need to hit on 2 or 3 guys at positions like NT/T/G, not necessarily glamorous positions but I think investing in those positions if guys are there would be the best thing for our organization.

But I personally wouldn't care if we took Robiskie, or traded up for Nicks or Delmas.

I know if they follow the same plan they had in 2008, we will be just fine. I just have a feeling we're going to go WR/SS/ILB/OL/NT. When the best thing to do would go the opposite way.

My guts telling me we trade up for Delmas...... Or at least I'm hoping that!

 

[Apollo Creed]

My guts telling me we trade up for Delmas...... Or at least I'm hoping that!

I just don't like the Bob Sanders comparison. That means he will be severely overrated and miss 40% of his starts.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Did anyone else catch some of the beginning about a Dallas Cowboys channel or something like that? The radio guy mentioned the HD radio and then something about 24hr Cowboys or something like that.

from DMN spin in the Daily Zone

105.3 FM intends to introduce a hi-def Cowboys channel soon at 105.3-3. Of course, you'll need a hi-def radio as well as lots of patience until they figure out how to fill 24 hours with Cowboys programming. Expect broadcasts of old Super Bowls.

 

[Kalyan]

stephen laughed and said relating to jerry jones while draft is going on and cowboys going to pick, stephen said they are going to put jerry in a straight jacket

Do you guys think jerry is transitioniong the cowboys to Stephen. I haven't seen stephen this visible before in the origanization

 

[igtmfo]

Great news conference. Nothing specific but pretty fascinating info about how they do the draft. If a podcast pops up, worth listening to, hope I got the following right from memory:

- Stephen says he's looking forward to using ALL 11 picks, and they plan to. They don't have strategy to trade up, down or away. He would rather pick a guy than have to bargain for the guy as a UDFA after the draft. Basically said he/they are tired of offering million-dollar tenders to down-roster veterans and would rather that money go towards a higher-priced and higher valued free agent. Basically said younger and cheaper is way to go despite having to eat bonuses this year if they don't make the team, that's not a factor to them (.. could this be pre-draft posturing to tell other teams they're going to have to lay out a good deal to pry away any of the Boys picks?) This basically revisits the same argument/thread on this board in the last day or so, Stephen sides with AdamJT13, make the picks and cut the marginal veteran if you have to.

- They want "now" players, sounds like they are tired of projects and position conversions ...

- Position coaches, scouts, pro personnel guys I think too, all get to grade each particular player, with each person getting an equal vote which round-value he is. No "pet cats" in this system. Somehow the scout who has seen the player the most since last season (at combine etc.) gets an extra vote on the player or his vote gets extra weight, I think I heard. Then they add up all the votes and average. Then the top people like Ciskowski, Jerry, etc. take these grades and sit and talk and put together the board, mostly just breaking ties from all the votes ... but also, factoring in on the board: guys with extra-good motor get a "star" or something on their nametag, guys with injuries get a yellow or red stripe on their nametag, and a few other markings I forget depending on other factors ... I hope there is a podcast of this because Jerry said a LOT here about all the mechanics of how they draft and I've forgotten lots of it ...

- Said something that when they are at 51, there are likely to be something like 7 guys that they had as first round grades still available at that pick, if things go like in the past.

- They'll trade picks based on pick value (on general principle/the "value board" that is), not on who is available here or there or who they think will be on the board in any given round.

- They've done studies on whether trading down in such-and-such a round into such and such another round gives you mo better players, factoring in salaries paid, overall eventual value to team of multiple players vs. one higher-graded pick, etc. ... and other studies like this that Jerry halfway explained that I've forgotten ...

- You don't want to trade your current players around draft day, your current players are at lowest value then and picks at highest value then.

- They base pick-grades against how the player would eventually fare in the NFL, not just how he would fare with the Cowboys ...

 

[adbutcher]

Maybe this year, they should do like George Constanza and just do the opposite of what they would normally do when it comes to drafting offensive linemen.
I still have hope. They can't give up.

To me, the key to this draft for the Cowboys is to come out of it with hungry, competive battlers who make their living blocking and tackling.

:laugh1:

 

[igtmfo]

Forgot one .... I forgot how they factor it in, but they like to pick guys that promise to be good special teams players, not just because they are immediately valuable, but experience has shown them that these guys more often than other players have a way of working their way into the offensive and defensive rotations. Brock Marion was an example. They talked about this point for a few minutes so they must believe it.

Sorry if I've duplicated material folks have already posted, in my big post above this one ... since I typed it before I read everyone else's posts I just kept it in ... thanks all

 

[cowboyjoe]

Maybe this year, they should do like George Constanza and just do the opposite of what they would normally do when it comes to drafting offensive linemen.

I still have hope. They can't give up.

To me, the key to this draft for the Cowboys is to come out of it with hungry, competive battlers who make their living blocking and tackling.

i agree with that chief, but at the same time, remember wade has to play them;
wade didnt want to play felix on kickoffs, you saw results
wade didntwant to play choice as rb, you saw results
Joe Berger, Pat McQuistan, Doug Free all sat on bench during season and didnt play

wade has to play them, give them game experience, like the ram game, or eagle game at the end

thats the key

 

[Hypnotoad]

pre-draft press conference up:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=D55BFE6B-FD36-D4B7-B49F8ADAD3037CB7

 

[Wimbo]

Says he likes the way Wade Phillips runs (?) and says they plan to stick to that for a long time.

Presser over.

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[BAT]

Now that was funny.

I just don't like the Bob Sanders comparison. That means he will be severely overrated and miss 40% of his starts.

 

[BAT]

Maybe this year, they should do like George Constanza and just do the opposite of what they would normally do when it comes to drafting offensive linemen.

I still have hope. They can't give up.

To me, the key to this draft for the Cowboys is to come out of it with hungry, competive battlers who make their living blocking and tackling.

Hail to the Chief!


The current team certainly lacks that mentality, more players like that will make the team mentally tough. Ciskowski gives me hope though.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Wimbo!

:laugh1::laugh1: