Jerry said the move was for Wade Wilson

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It makes sense that you would want someone with input on the playcalling to be in the booth. There is certainly some truth to the fact that you can see a lot more if you are up there than you can on the sidelines.

That is why coaching film is from above and not on the sidelines. lol

It is also why the still photos are shot from above to give a clear view of the alignments and formations taking place that is a bit harder to see when standing on the sidelines.
 

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Jerry is not as dumb as you people think he understand the role of the HC hell he played on a national championship team chances are he knows a hell of a lot more than fans who sit on their couch playing Madden. Jason Garrett is the HC the buck will stop with him. Jerry clearly is backing his HC as every GM does however even when Jerry assures people that Garrett will continue to be HC that does not mean much since many HC have been fired at the end of a season after the GM stated the HC was safe. It comes down to winning and it also comes down to what HC out there may draw the GM interest. My hope is Garrett can get this team into post season and perform to a high level if not then it could be time to look to another.

I've never played Madden in my life.
I don't own video game machines.
I don't think Jerry is dumb and I don't appreciate the "you people" dig, but he hasn't been doing things right and is just NOW saying he's getting things figured out?
This is the best he's ever been? That's what he says.
No. Jerry is not dumb, but he is not doing things correctly to run a successful football team. And now it's just shuffling deck chairs on not the Titanic, but a ship with a motor not large enough to take the boat anywhere.

You say it comes down to winning. How has that been working for us for almost two decades?
 

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It makes sense that you would want someone with input on the playcalling to be in the booth. There is certainly some truth to the fact that you can see a lot more if you are up there than you can on the sidelines.
Isn't Callahan up there already?
Hasn't Kiffen been there all season also?

I'm not arguing the benefits of being up in the booth, but should we go ahead and send the WR coach up there too? You know- to see things the other guys already up there aren't looking at.
 

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I've never played Madden in my life.
I don't own video game machines.
I don't think Jerry is dumb and I don't appreciate the "you people" dig, but he hasn't been doing things right and is just NOW saying he's getting things figured out?
This is the best he's ever been? That's what he says.
No. Jerry is not dumb, but he is not doing things correctly to run a successful football team. And now it's just shuffling deck chairs on not the Titanic, but a ship with a motor not large enough to take the boat anywhere.

You say it comes down to winning. How has that been working for us for almost two decades?

It does come down to winning that is why Campo was fired and Parcells was hired it is why Wade was fired and it will be the determining factor on Jason. The notion that well he is not held accoutable? says who. Given the fact Jerry has fired HC including close friend Barry Switzer why would someone think Jason could not be? He is the HC winning and losing will fall to him. As for Jerry there are things he has done I have agreed with some I have not but when I hear HC like Parcells who has never been shy about how he sees things come out and back Jerry and talks of how Jerry will do what is being asked then I have to go by those in house not people at the paper or fans on a message board because they don't know they are not there they do not see what is taking place. As I said I hope Jason can get it done I would hate to start all over again with new HC but it comes down to winning
 

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Isn't Callahan up there already?
Hasn't Kiffen been there all season also?

I'm not arguing the benefits of being up in the booth, but should we go ahead and send the WR coach up there too? You know- to see things the other guys already up there aren't looking at.

Some coaches will be in the booth others are there to interact with the players. Wes Phillips was in the booth and now is down on the sideline getting with the players while Wade is upstairs. I don't know maybe the feel there is more of a connection with the players and Phillips than there is with Wade.
 

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Some coaches will be in the booth others are there to interact with the players. Wes Phillips was in the booth and now is down on the sideline getting with the players while Wade is upstairs. I don't know maybe the feel there is more of a connection with the players and Phillips than there is with Wade.

Maybe. I hope for the best going forward.

Edit: If it truly came down to winning with Jerry, by the by- he'd have fired himself and gotten a real GM with real accountability.

In that case- Jerry is dumb when it comes to winning.
 

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So, Wade Wilson, the QB coach has that much input into the play calling? Talk about group decisions, no wonder this offense struggles.

This is their latest move... Well, look on the bright side.. it could be better than Callahan and Garrett, cause we went play-action multiple times in ths game, contrary to our trend of being dead last in the league. Now, we just need to cut those two out completely...
 

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This essentially establishes that Garrett wasn't retaining play-calling duties cause the offense was struggling, Wade Wilson was being 'promoted' in the latest attempt to get more out of Garrett's offense than either Callahan or Garrett.

So now Garrett's been passed by Wade Wilson in play-calling duties. This plan of being the next Landry guys is well on it's way to big fulfilled. Hold tight cause the journey of ascension has begun..
 

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And they had people in the booth even when the play came from the sideline the guys upstairs relay to the coaches on the sideline. They are not wearing headsets to keep their ears warm.

Not as play callers.

Btw who was In the boothe in the parcells years and wade years.

I remember Wes Phillips as a quality control coach in the boothe under wade but can't remember who else.

I can not remember who was up there for parcells time.

Edit Garrett's brother was up there also.
 

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This essentially establishes that Garrett wasn't retaining play-calling duties cause the offense was struggling, Wade Wilson was being 'promoted' in the latest attempt to get more out of Garrett's offense than either Callahan or Garrett.

So now Garrett's been passed by Wade Wilson in play-calling duties. This plae of being the next Landry guys is well on it's way to big fulfilled.

No because no where was it said that Wade Wilson called the plays they said he was in the booth, Callahan is still calling the plays only differance the plays are relayed to Garrett instead of Wade it also give Garrett as the HC more of an oppertunity to make changes in the call.
 

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Not as play callers.

Btw who was In the boothe in the parcells years and wade years.

I remember Wes Phillips as a quality control coach in the boothe under wade but can't remember who else.

I can not remember who was up there for parcells time.

Correct but they still have role communicating with the sidelines that help determine what calls will be made.
 

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Correct but they still have role communicating with the sidelines that help determine what calls will be made.

True- you would think they have to have somebody in the bird's nest.
At least for observational analysis with the coaches in-game.
 

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Did another one of those changes include Garrett calling the plays Sunday?
No,” Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Tuesday morning on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM]. “I think it’s important to emphasize, it’s just not when we’re in empty, obviously that’s Romo all the way. It is real important to know that the confidence we have in Romo, the time he’s spending on Mondays and Tuesdays with coaches, Wednesdays, that inordinate amount of time that he’s right in there designing the game plan. What you saw the other day was Wade Wilson and taking advantage of him up high.

So Romo is calling the plays out of the 'few' given to him and Garrett still does nothing. Jerry's own words said it was all about taking advantage of Wade Wilson.

But I guess what Jerry means by that is they are cutting out the 'middle man' of a head gear, so Callahan can just yell the call to Wade, who can then relay it via headphone. Headphones are expensive and erry probably wants the one Callahan was wearing.
 

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Now I am really curious who was in the boothe under parcells..

Off of memory I am thinking Chris Palmer was up there in 06, but I can not remember at all who was up there in 05. I remember seemingly everybody with an important job on the sideline!
 

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So Romo is calling the plays out of the 'few' given to him and Garrett still does nothing. Jerry's own words said it was all about taking advantage of Wade Wilson.

But I guess what Jerry means by that is they are cutting out the 'middle man' of a head gear, so Callahan can just yell the call to Wade, who can then relay it via headphone. Headphones are expensive and erry probably wants the one Callahan was wearing.

Jerry never said Wade was calling the plays, highlighting the words you want does not change it. Garrett talked about it in post game, Callahan is calling the plays they go to Garrett and he sends them into Romo. What part do you not get? Wade is up in the booth working with Callahan not as the playcaller or OC
 

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True- you would think they have to have somebody in the bird's nest.
At least for observational analysis with the coaches in-game.

All teams do, from High School on there are guys upstairs with commnication to the sideline. How a coach or team goes about having the play caller on sideline or booth varies from team to team based on what the coach wanted. When Norv Turner was in Dallas he liked being in the booth to give him a better observation and chances are less distration on the sidelines.
 

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Head coach Jason Garrett’s role expanded in the offensive communication during Sunday’s game against the Giants.

The Cowboys made a change by having Garrett receive the plays from Bill Callahan and relay them to quarterback Tony Romo. Previously, that role belonged to Wade Wilson, who moved up to the booth for the first time.

Garrett said the new role is something he’s comfortable with, having done it before during his days as a play-caller and an assistant coach.

“It was more just about mechanics,” Garrett said. “I don’t know that I took a bigger role in the play-calling. One of the things we really try to emphasize is communication during the ballgame.”
“I thought it was an opportunity to get Wade upstairs to see the game that way. Wade’s got great eyes. He sees the game as well as anybody I know. Just getting him up there I thought was good for us.”

Meanwhile, tight ends coach Wes Phillips went from the booth down to the sidelines Sunday. Garrett said Phillips does a great job interacting with the players and he thought Phillips could be useful in the new position.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...nication/86db9562-03e5-4d23-aaec-4f12760710ae
 

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Jerry never said Wade was calling the plays, highlighting the words you want does not change it. Garrett talked about it in post game, Callahan is calling the plays they go to Garrett and he sends them into Romo. What part do you not get? Wade is up in the booth working with Callahan not as the playcaller or OC

I never said he was calling the plays, which is the point of this post. Some people were claiming that Garrett was retaining play-calling duties cause Callahan was floundering. Jerry made it abundantly clear per his own words, this move had absolutely nothing to do with Garrett and the decision of the plays Romo goes with out of the one's he is given. it is purely Romo.. The only thing that is changing is that Wade Wilson is being moved up to help in the play-calling duties.

So now Garrett has another roll, which is simply listen and act more involved...
 

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I never said he was calling the plays, which is the point of this post. Some people were claiming that Garrett was retaining play-calling duties cause Callahan was floundering. Jerry made it abundantly clear per his own words, this move had absolutely nothing to do with Garrett and the decision of the plays Romo goes with out of the one's he is given. it is purely Romo.. The only thing that is changing is that Wade Wilson is being moved up to help in the play-calling duties.

So now Garrett has another roll, which is simply listen and act more involved...

Garrett is getting the call from Callahan that gives him more input not less. As HC if Garrett is not liking what is taking place it is much easier to overrule a call. You can sit there and try to belittle Garrett all you want but this move gives Garrett more control not less
 
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