Jerry Says Cowboys Spent A Lot Of Time Pondering Manziel

[DFWJC]

With what was on the board. While i like the Martin pick because it further improves a young OL. But Manziel was the BPA by far. You develop Manziel for 2 possibly 3 yrs and you have a OL that is basically in the start of their prime. Tyron, Leary, Fred,Martin,Add young player here. And you basically make the switch seamlessly from Romo to Manziel. And then you still have 2 years on Manziels rookie deal.

I could see Dallas taking a QB this yr coming in round 1.

Maybe BPA "by far" on your board. But 15 teams had already passed and several more were still planning on it, so for the most teams, he was not the BPA...or at least not "by far".

I think he was BPA on Dallas' board, but maybe same tier as Martin, just higher in the tier.
Now on Jerry's personal board (which is not the coaches and scouts final board) he may have been even higher

 

[guag]

The original post of this discussion indicated that Manziel would say no to said contract extension offer. That is an option, right? And it is the Browns, right? It could happen...

Never mind, I think I glazed over that part.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Could of had two for one with Manziel and Lee.

 

[Bullflop]

As badly as our defense needed loving help and attention, I'm supremely grateful that Jerry resisted the temptation for Manziel.
He'll certainly be obliged to prove himself worthy of being a starter in the NFL. Chances are it'd be a long time before he would have had the opportunity to perform in that capacity in Dallas. Of course, Romo won't last forever with that gimpy back and everything but the defense needed bolstering first and foremost. As reluctant as I am for showing appreciation to Jerry for anything, congrats to him for resisting his inclination to take Manziel. It simply wouldn't have served us well at this time, imho.

 

[burmafrd]

IF JF had been a pocket guy and a better personality then it is very possible the boys might have pulled the trigger. But to pick a little guy who basically just ran around? and who seems to be very tone deaf about public appearances? For QB of the Dallas Cowboys? Pass every time.

 

[tyke1doe]

I wish he would stop talking. You passed on Manziel. I doesn't matter what we did or didn't do or how long we deliberated. He's not a Cowboy. No sense in going on and on about it and potentially infuriating a fan base if Johnny Football turns out to be the next Johnny Unitas.

 

[DogFace]

With what was on the board. While i like the Martin pick because it further improves a young OL. But Manziel was the BPA by far. You develop Manziel for 2 possibly 3 yrs and you have a OL that is basically in the start of their prime. Tyron, Leary, Fred,Martin,Add young player here. And you basically make the switch seamlessly from Romo to Manziel. And then you still have 2 years on Manziels rookie deal.

I could see Dallas taking a QB this yr coming in round 1.

I totally agree. Would have been a good plan.

 

[RS12]

Jerry Says Cowboys Spent A Lot Of Time Pondering Manziel

I have no doubt, zero in fact.

 

[DogFace]

Like I said... Jerry recognizes that he needs to seriously start thinking about life after Romo, and Manziel would have been a heck of a start, and he recognizes that. If Garrett was really the one that stepped in and made the decision not to draft Manziel, and to instead draft Martin, then I'm about as happy as a fan can be right now. Jerry listening to his coaches, and actually doing what they want is a HUGE step in the right direction.

If Garrett did step in it was to make us better now and save his job.
I believe drafting JF would have been a good plan for the Cowboys future.

 

[DogFace]

Maybe BPA "by far" on your board. But 15 teams had already passed and several more were still planning on it, so for the most teams, he was not the BPA...or at least not "by far".

I think he was BPA on Dallas' board, but maybe same tier as Martin, just higher in the tier.
Now on Jerry's personal board (which is not the coaches and scouts final board) he may have been even higher

Moss was another BPA by far many passed in. Dez too.

 

[RS12]

I wish he would stop talking.

No chance, that is his second biggest problem

 

[jnday]

Maybe BPA "by far" on your board. But 15 teams had already passed and several more were still planning on it, so for the most teams, he was not the BPA...or at least not "by far".

I think he was BPA on Dallas' board, but maybe same tier as Martin, just higher in the tier.
Now on Jerry's personal board (which is not the coaches and scouts final board) he may have been even higher

In all fairness, the teams that needed a QB picked very early and went with other players. Manziel dropped in a large part because after those teams picked, there was nobody in the market for a QB until late in the first round. If Romo's back is an issue and he has to retire within the next couple of years, passing Manziel will look like one of the biggest draft blunders in team history. I hope he has a great career and makes all these teams regret not taking him. The Browns are a QB killing team and they will ruin his career though.

 

[jnday]

I wish he would stop talking. You passed on Manziel. I doesn't matter what we did or didn't do or how long we deliberated. He's not a Cowboy. No sense in going on and on about it and potentially infuriating a fan base if Johnny Football turns out to be the next Johnny Unitas.

He would deserve every bit of grief that he would get if that happens.

 

[DFWJC]

Moss was another BPA by far many passed in. Dez too.

Moss was a rare and extreme example, you're right. He was far and away the best player by the time he was taken.

That is not remotely the case with Johnny M. There were teams out there that would not have considered him BPA even the 3rd round.
Removing off filed stuff for Moss, there's no way there were teams that would have thought that way about Moss.
Johnny dropped more due to questions about how good he will be at the next level.

BPA is more of a tier thing. If you have five guys in the same tier and one is rated higher than the other in that same tier, it's no big deal to take the player you feel is of greater need.

 

[DFWJC]

In all fairness, the teams that needed a QB picked very early and went with other players. Manziel dropped in a large part because after those teams picked, there was nobody in the market for a QB until late in the first round. If Romo's back is an issue and he has to retire within the next couple of years, passing Manziel will look like one of the biggest draft blunders in team history. I hope he has a great career and makes all these teams regret not taking him. The Browns are a QB killing team and they will ruin his career though.

Yes. Possibly true IF Manziel becomes a star. Massive if, there.
Otherwise, it's great drafting if he becomes nothing special, regardless of what happens with Romo.
If you take a QB in the 1st round, you are married to that guy for at least a few years, usually.

Just curious, why do you hope Johnny has a great career? Are you an Aggie fan and just specifically in Johnny M's camp?

I don't get the impression teams passed on him out of spite. They just had legit reasons to wonder if he was worth a high 1st round pick....especially given that next year's class will be strong and guys like Bridgewater, Carr, etc could still be had in the same draft.

I'd like to see Manziel do well, personally. The guy is fun to watch.
Though the hind-siters may make me want to rethink that at times.

 

[jnday]

Moss was a rare and extreme example, you're right. He was far and away the best player by the time he was taken.

That is not remotely the case with Johnny M. There were teams out there that would not have considered him BPA even the 3rd round.
Removing off filed stuff for Moss, there's no way there were teams that would have thought that way about Moss.
Johnny dropped more due to questions about how good he will be at the next level.

BPA is more of a tier thing. If you have five guys in the same tier and one is rated higher than the other in that same tier, it's no big deal to take the player you feel is of greater need.

Moss wouldn't have stayed in Dallas very long, so I have never regretted the team passing on him.

 

[Vanilla2]

In all fairness, the teams that needed a QB picked very early and went with other players. Manziel dropped in a large part because after those teams picked, there was nobody in the market for a QB until late in the first round. If Romo's back is an issue and he has to retire within the next couple of years, passing Manziel will look like one of the biggest draft blunders in team history. I hope he has a great career and makes all these teams regret not taking him. The Browns are a QB killing team and they will ruin his career though.

If Romos back is an issue and Dallas has a truly bad season they may be in line for a top 5 pick and have a shot at the best QB in the draft.

I'm sure there's gonna be more QB's next year.

IMO next year is when you start looking at QB's to develop whether Romos back holds up or not.

 

[jnday]

Yes. Possibly true IF Manziel becomes a star. Massive if, there.
Otherwise, it's great drafting if he becomes nothing special, regardless of what happens with Romo.
If you take a QB in the 1st round, you are married to that guy for at least a few years, usually.

Just curious, why do you hope Johnny has a great career? Are you and Aggie fan?

I don't get the impression teams passed on him out of spite. They just had legit reasons to wonder if he was worth a high 1st round pick....especially given that next year's class will be strong and guys like Bridgewater, Carr, etc could still be had in the same draft.

I'd like to see Manziel do well, personally. The guy is fun to watch.
Though the hind-siters may make me want to rethink that at times.

I am no fan of the Aggies and I have never watched over a quarter if any game Manziel played in. I do think he has great talent and will do good in the right situation from what I have seen. The silly bashing has made me pull for him as well. I have been around his family at some events years ago and I don't think they deserved the bashing either. After thinking about it, I would have liked to seen him play with the Cowboys for the entertainment factor as well.

 

[ConstantReboot]

After the team passed on the lightning-rod signal-caller in favor of offensive lineman Zack Martin, owner and general manager Jerry Jones went out of his way to insist that he "didn't spend a lot of time considering Manziel" withTony Romo under contract.

Jones, though, notably contradicted himself on Friday, saying that Manziel's tumble down the board made for a tough decision when Dallas went on the clock at No. 16 overall.

Read the article here:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...cowboys-spent-a-lot-of-time-pondering-manziel

I for one am glad that they passed. Manziel great football player in college but he tends to use his legs too much to get out of trouble. I think his career in the NFL will be like Michael Vick.

 

[DFWJC]

I for one am glad that they passed. Manziel great football player in college but he tends to use his legs too much to get out of trouble. I think his career in the NFL will be like Michael Vick.

But Vick could run faster backwards that JFB going forwards (exag) and Vick had a cannon for an arm.

Johnny is talented though, and could even end up great.
Should be fun seeing how it plays out.