Jerry, why are you dragging your feet on Winston?

[03EBZ06]

Do we have the money to sign him right now? The answer is no (hence why Doug Free was asked to take a pay cut and should play for his last name).

I believe Cowboys are currently tad bit over 4 mil under the cap so the answer should be yes.

 

[MRV52]

I think that their stock is going to go down after the draft. There is a very good crop of OL in this draft. Teams looking to draft OL will probably release some of their OL starters. which will drive down the price down even further. There will be too many OL on the market.

 

[neosapien23]

What happens if Lane Johnson falls all the way to the18th pick? Before anyone says there is no way that happens, there have been plenty of guys that were picked much later than they were supposed to be. Nick Fairly, Robert Quinn, Steven Jackson, Aaron Rogers, Dez Byrant, David DeCastro, Prince Amukamara, and countless others have fallen. There could be a surprise tackle pick at 18 that no one is expecting to be there. Dallas will wait till after the draft to bring in free agents.

Imagine how handcuffed the boys would be if by some minor miracle they were able to draft Lane in the 1st and someone like Fluker or Menilik Watson fell to them in the 2nd but they would have signed either Moore or Winston. They are wisely going to let the draft come to them, take the best availabe players, and then fill holes through free agency.

 

[TonyRomo09]

We very possibly might.. but we aren't in a hurry.. We could have told the guys agent that on the day it needs to happen, we will match/beat the best offer on him. The fact that it hasn't happened has 0 bearing on it's likely hood.. It could very well be at 99% happening, but it won't until it needs to. There would be no reason to get it done early.

 

[xwalker]

Eric Winston said on the radio that he was looking for a $3-4 million per year deal, and that it didn't have to be a long term deal.

Huh? Where do we sign? And I mean right now!

That is a very friendly contract for a good right tackle, and you pair that with drafting Cooper or Warmack in the first round.....and this line is tremendously better already.

Get that done, Jerry. What are you waiting for? You already have enough cap space to get it done, and then when you cut Free in June, you can sign your draft picks.

Run to the phone, Jerry, before someone beats you to it.

Have you studied his 2012 game film? He was cut 2 years in a row and there are rumors that he has some knee issues.

 

[newlander]

Have you studied his 2012 game film? He was cut 2 years in a row and there are rumors that he has some knee issues.

....but unlike MOST of these guys on this site, I will cop to it. This is SO typical of the fans on this site....we have interest so he MUST be an upgrade over Free? Hey, I hate Free too: he sucks but from everything I see and read about Winston he isn't a whole lot better: there is a REASON they don't keep him another year or two........he simply isn't that GOOD

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Imagine how handcuffed the boys would be if by some minor miracle they were able to draft Lane in the 1st and someone like Fluker or Menilik Watson fell to them in the 2nd but they would have signed either Moore or Winston.

I don't understand your logic here. You do know that there is a rookie salary cap. No matter who they sign in free agency and for whatever money they sign them for, the rookie salary cap is considered in all signings. No matter who falls where, the 18th pick is the 18th pick!

 

[ConstantReboot]

What are you talking about? Every tackle taken in the second round of the 2012 draft ended up starting last season. You build a good line through the draft. Or example, the 49ers had arguably the best line last season, and they drafte four of their five starters.

Guess what? We suck at drafting linemen period. I rather we go after a proven vet who is cheap and get a guard in the first round. Free was a drafted and took him many years to get to where he is now - yet he sucks. NO thanks.

 

[Floatyworm]

Eric Winston said on the radio that he was looking for a $3-4 million per year deal, and that it didn't have to be a long term deal.

Huh? Where do we sign? And I mean right now!

That is a very friendly contract for a good right tackle, and you pair that with drafting Cooper or Warmack in the first round.....and this line is tremendously better already.

Get that done, Jerry. What are you waiting for? You already have enough cap space to get it done, and then when you cut Free in June, you can sign your draft picks.

Run to the phone, Jerry, before someone beats you to it.

How many times have we seen Jerry hold out signing a guy because it might cost him a little more????

He does it all the time....so this shouldn't be a surprise. A prime example was the fiasco w/ Matt McBriar last year. This is classic Jerry trying to show a guy who is the boss. And frankly...People see right through it now. So it an ineffective tactic Jerry continually falls back on.

And people wonder why we can't sign anyone....

"Well it is the Dallas Cowboys". Which is true.

But what people within the organization don't understand...it's Jerry that is the skunk in the room that keeps people away.

Who wants to play for an owner that just doesn't understand the game of football? Jerry still think it's the 1960's and Arkansas is the king of college football. I'm shocked coach Jerry in his ultimate wisdom hasn't broke out the full house back field/Wing T formations and make a season out of it. Then label himself a trendsetter.

 

[gimmesix]

Eric Winston said on the radio that he was looking for a $3-4 million per year deal, and that it didn't have to be a long term deal.

Huh? Where do we sign? And I mean right now!

That is a very friendly contract for a good right tackle, and you pair that with drafting Cooper or Warmack in the first round.....and this line is tremendously better already.

Get that done, Jerry. What are you waiting for? You already have enough cap space to get it done, and then when you cut Free in June, you can sign your draft picks.

Run to the phone, Jerry, before someone beats you to it.

I'd do it in a heartbeat for $3 million, but there's a lot more that goes on behind those closed doors than an FA saying this is what I want and our team saying OK. (Sometimes it's not good things, but nonetheless the team might have several irons in the fire.)

They might be negotiating with Winston, who says publicly he'll play for $3-$4 million but might want a long-term deal.

They might be negotiating with Clabo and Winston, playing them off each other to get the best deal.

They might not be negotiating with either while believing that a player like D.J. Fluker is going to be their best choice at No. 18. (Like I said, sometimes it's not good things.)

They might be concerned that he's been cut two years in a row and are studying why it happened.

They might be on vacation, believing their line will be better as is with more time together or that Romo doesn't need any improvements to the line.

 

[gimmesix]

How many times have we seen Jerry hold out signing a guy because it might cost him a little more????

He does it all the time....so this shouldn't be a surprise. A prime example was the fiasco w/ Matt McBriar last year. This is classic Jerry trying to show a guy who is the boss. And frankly...People see right through it now. So it an ineffective tactic Jerry continually falls back on.

This is silly. The Cowboys are often accused of overpaying athletes, not underpaying them, when Dallas absolutely wants them.

McBriar's case was actually an instance of Dallas doing things right. The Cowboys had a young punter and felt they needed to move in that direction, but they wanted McBriar to come in as competition just in case Chris Jones didn't turn out as expected. McBriar went with the better deal and Jones was the punter Dallas expected him to be until he got hurt.

 

[neosapien23]

I don't understand your logic here. You do know that there is a rookie salary cap. No matter who they sign in free agency and for whatever money they sign them for, the rookie salary cap is considered in all signings. No matter who falls where, the 18th pick is the 18th pick!

I am well aware of that...But the Cowboys only have so much money they can spend thanks to some really bad contracts. If the best availabe person is a FS, DT, OT, or OG they will take that person and look to free agency later after the draft has been made. Wouldn't make much sense to bring in Winston or Moore if Dallas can draft both Lane Johnson in the first and Fluker in the 2nd.

Lets say the draft goes like this:
18th pick Lane Johnson
47th pick Eric Reid
80th pick Alvin Bailey

They now have their starting RT, FS, and RG
At this point they would
be better off diverting their limited money towards a free agent DT like Shaun Cody or Sedrick Ellis would be better served than either Moore or Winston.

But lets say the draft goes like this instead:
18th Sheldon Richardon
47th Larry Warford
80th Damontre Moore

In this case Winston would be a good pickup as the team was unable to draft a tackle. The point I'm trying to make is Dallas will not what positions it needs to get in Free agency until after the draft and they do not have alot of money so I wouldn't expect any double dipping like drafting a guard high and still signing one in FA.

 

[dbonham]

If we get Richardson, Warford and Moore in the draft I wouldn't care if we signed Doug Free to an extension and brought back Alex Barron

 

[AKATheRake]

I'd do it in a heartbeat for $3 million, but there's a lot more that goes on behind those closed doors than an FA saying this is what I want and our team saying OK. (Sometimes it's not good things, but nonetheless the team might have several irons in the fire.)

They might be negotiating with Winston, who says publicly he'll play for $3-$4 million but might want a long-term deal.

They might be negotiating with Clabo and Winston, playing them off each other to get the best deal.

They might not be negotiating with either while believing that a player like D.J. Fluker is going to be their best choice at No. 18. (Like I said, sometimes it's not good things.)

They might be concerned that he's been cut two years in a row and are studying why it happened.

They might be on vacation, believing their line will be better as is with more time together or that Romo doesn't need any improvements to the line.

:signmast: x 4

 

[AKATheRake]

I am well aware of that...But the Cowboys only have so much money they can spend thanks to some really bad contracts. If the best availabe person is a FS, DT, OT, or OG they will take that person and look to free agency later after the draft has been made. Wouldn't make much sense to bring in Winston or Moore if Dallas can draft both Lane Johnson in the first and Fluker in the 2nd.

Lets say the draft goes like this:
18th pick Lane Johnson
47th pick Eric Reid
80th pick Alvin Bailey

They now have their starting RT, FS, and RG
At this point they would
be better off diverting their limited money towards a free agent DT like Shaun Cody or Sedrick Ellis would be better served than either Moore or Winston.

But lets say the draft goes like this instead:
18th Sheldon Richardon
47th Larry Warford
80th Damontre Moore

In this case Winston would be a good pickup as the team was unable to draft a tackle. The point I'm trying to make is Dallas will not what positions it needs to get in Free agency until after the draft and they do not have alot of money so I wouldn't expect any double dipping like drafting a guard high and still signing one in FA.

I'll take any of those 2 drafts. That's definitely BPA styles and that's what we should be doing.

 

[iRepDatStar]

Cowboys fans can't seem to agree on anything

 

[Fredd]

I disagree

 

[SMCowboy]

I'll take any of those 2 drafts. That's definitely BPA styles and that's what we should be doing.

I believe that is exactly what they are doing. By not signing any of the OL that are out on the market right now, they are keeping all the options open to draft BPA.

To many on here keep saying, sign a tackle now, and that allows you to draft a guard in round 1. What happens if by odd chance Lane Johnson is still on the board, but neither Warmack or Cooper are on the board. Do we still reach for the next best guard?

Right now, there are 3 FA tackles on the market. Most of them, and quite likely all of them will STILL be on the market after the draft. And possibly a few more as well.

The smart thing to do, is wait and see who the best available talent is at #18. If after the first 3 rounds, you don't have a OT, DT, or OG then after the draft you find a short term guy to bring in to fill that hole. There isn't an OT, OG, or DT on the market that is more than a stop gap player. The only way to truly fill any of those holes in threw the draft.

 

[LittleD]

I believe that is exactly what they are doing. By not signing any of the OL that are out on the market right now, they are keeping all the options open to draft BPA.

To many on here keep saying, sign a tackle now, and that allows you to draft a guard in round 1. What happens if by odd chance Lane Johnson is still on the board, but neither Warmack or Cooper are on the board. Do we still reach for the next best guard?

Right now, there are 3 FA tackles on the market. Most of them, and quite likely all of them will STILL be on the market after the draft. And possibly a few more as well.

The smart thing to do, is wait and see who the best available talent is at #18. If after the first 3 rounds, you don't have a OT, DT, or OG then after the draft you find a short term guy to bring in to fill that hole. There isn't an OT, OG, or DT on the market that is more than a stop gap player. The only way to truly fill any of those holes in threw the draft.

The Cowboys see it now. Brian Broaddus said yesterday on Talking Cowboys that there are no discussions with Winston or Clabo going on right now because they live in the building and asked. They may be in a position to get Fluker from Alabama at the 18th pick and would send the pick airmail if he's available. I think if we don't get a viable RT & guard in the draft, we will look to sign someone after June 1st when Free is sent packing.

 

[SMCowboy]

The Cowboys see it now. Brian Broaddus said yesterday on Talking Cowboys that there are no discussions with Winston or Clabo going on right now because they live in the building and asked. They may be in a position to get Fluker from Alabama at the 18th pick and would send the pick airmail if he's available. I think if we don't get a viable RT & guard in the draft, we will look to sign someone after June 1st when Free is sent packing.

If your first two picks can be:
#18: Lane Johnson (I know a super long shot, but weirder things have happened)/Fluker
#47: Warford/Fredrick

or

#18: Warmack/Cooper
#47: Armstead/Watson

You don't need to bring in a FA OL, and you actually fixed the OL, not just patched it.