Jerry's coaching conundrum has the Cowboys cornered

[Runwildboys]

Sorry, not sorry!

I hate you now.

 

[Rayman70]

Jerry IS a conundrum.

 

[Runwildboys]

This isn't every team. This is the Cowboys. It used to be expected.

Dallas has been to 8 Super Bowls. It used to be a thing, like the Patriots.

Now, we're the Cardinals or Bengals. Just hoping to get to the playoffs now and again.

We celebrated winning the East. We never used to celebrate winning the silly East.

It means we beat three teams. Whoop-de-do.

It used to be expected before the salary cap, and before free agency became a way to build a team. We used to be able to build a team and keep the players we wanted. That helped a lot. ....but we had fewer doubts about coaching as well.

 

[CouchCoach]

It never ceases to amaze me who teams hire for head coaches.

Kingsbury goes 35-40 and is fired, and he's given the reins to an NFL team? Wade Phillips is fired from 3 teams and is promptly hired by another. Norv Turner is fired from 2 teams and promptly hired by the Chargers. Hue Jackson goes a freaking 3-36 and is being considered for the Bengals??? What do owners see in those guys? Why do they think they will be successful with their team when they've been mediocre, AT BEST, with multiple teams?

Guess the league is so conservative they can't look past their own noses....

Great point and we act as if the other 31 teams have HOFers and there's only 1 HC right now assured of the HOF.

I stopped responding to the answers to "if not Garrett whom? when they were "anyone would be better". That's so ridiculous. Most of us are like the husband that keeps coveting the other wives and not appreciating his own. We could, and have done worse, just as we have at QB.

I was early off the Garrett wagon on the old site but still wanted to know "if not him, what HC can we get"? These are not the usual circumstances that a HC would have to work under.

I am not on the hammer Garrett wagon now. I do not care for him and do not like to watch him on the sideline but how in the hell do I hammer a guy that turned his 3-5 team into the East winner and did win a playoff game and took the NFC SB team to OT on their own playground? Damn, how does anyone spear that guy. It's hard as hell to win a NFL game, just ask any HC, and he takes a 3-5 team and clinches his division with a game to spare and catches this kind of hate?

I gotta say, I am disappointed in a lot of posters hammering the guy after what this team accomplished. Stop looking at what they didn't do and look at what they did! Some of the same ones that were sticking a fork in him after 8 games are still doing that and that is not fair. Especially after you now have evidence to just how involved the Joneses are. Hell, we might find ourselves wishing we had Garrett back.

 

[Rockport]

There's a whole lot of data that says it is.

Like what?

 

[ESisback]

Sorry, not sorry!

HA!

 

[CouchCoach]

It used to be expected before the salary cap, and before free agency became a way to build a team. We used to be able to build a team and keep the players we wanted. That helped a lot. ....but we had fewer doubts about coaching as well.

We also went through a period of really questionable drafting. That's the greatest improvement in the last 10 years. And I do give Booger credit for figuring out what he was doing was not working and changing that circle of influence. But in no way do I think he has acquiesced any control.

 

[G2]

I hate you now.

Friends don't lie to each other.

 

[CouchCoach]

Friends don't lie to each other.

Unless they've put on a lot of weight or have a booger hanging out their nose.

 

[Diehardblues]

Great point and we act as if the other 31 teams have HOFers and there's only 1 HC right now assured of the HOF.

I stopped responding to the answers to "if not Garrett whom? when they were "anyone would be better". That's so ridiculous. Most of us are like the husband that keeps coveting the other wives and not appreciating his own. We could, and have done worse, just as we have at QB.

I was early off the Garrett wagon on the old site but still wanted to know "if not him, what HC can we get"? These are not the usual circumstances that a HC would have to work under.

I am not on the hammer Garrett wagon now. I do not care for him and do not like to watch him on the sideline but how in the hell do I hammer a guy that turned his 3-5 team into the East winner and did win a playoff game and took the NFC SB team to OT on their own playground? Damn, how does anyone spear that guy. It's hard as hell to win a NFL game, just ask any HC, and he takes a 3-5 team and clinches his division with a game to spare and catches this kind of hate?

I gotta say, I am disappointed in a lot of posters hammering the guy after what this team accomplished. Stop looking at what they didn't do and look at what they did! Some of the same ones that were sticking a fork in him after 8 games are still doing that and that is not fair. Especially after you now have evidence to just how involved the Joneses are. Hell, we might find ourselves wishing we had Garrett back.

Yep..

It’s becoming obvious that we have a very vocal crowd on this forum that are Super Bowl or Bust mentality which I don’t believe represent Cowboys Nation.

It’s just not what I’m sensing amongst the fans I’m close to. We agree with most of your sentiments Coach.

 

[Runwildboys]

Unless they've put on a lot of weight or have a booger hanging out their nose.

In which case, they invite others to come see.

 

[G2]

In which case, they invite others to come see.

Lol, "Come look how good this new haircut turned out."

Like the bathroom scene in "There's something about Mary."

 

[Runwildboys]

Friends don't lie to each other.

Lol. I really despise that "Sorry, not sorry" retort.

 

[G2]

Lol. I really despise that "Sorry, not sorry" retort.

So do I, which is why I busted it out. I have others I'd like to wipe away from the English language.

 

[cern]

we can speculate all we want and invent (think up) scenario after scenario as to what jerry will do regarding a head coach. but truth is, none of us have a clue. the only thing that can be said for sure about jerry the last few years is that he seriously seems to be heeding the advice of others more than ever and is letting Stephen and mcclay have a lot of leeway in building the roster. I hope those two also have some influence about any future coaching considerations. we still haven't named an oc. indecisiveness? or thorough vetting?

 

[Diehardblues]

We also went through a period of really questionable drafting. That's the greatest improvement in the last 10 years. And I do give Booger credit for figuring out what he was doing was not working and changing that circle of influence. But in no way do I think he has acquiesced any control.

Right..

We have a history under Jerry with better decisions with personnel team building which mostly revolve around a greater influence from our HC.

It’s happened now 3 times with Jimmy, Bill and Garrett.

Despite our criticisms of Garretts coaching abilities we have seen better decisions being made in personnel and drafts since 2011 and a much better overall culture. 3 division titles in 5 years is best stretch since the 90’s team but the Lynch Mob continues on.

 

[cern]

Friends don't lie to each other.

that's a lie.

Jerry IS a conundrum.

more a paradox.

 

[Bobhaze]

Like most all of you, I've seen enough of this stale one-act play. Garrett did some important things here, but that was long ago, and it's definitely time for a new coach and approach.

But who? And how?

All of Jerry's GM sins are haunting him right now, and the Cowboys are a cloudy mess. What are the Cowboys wanting to be exactly? And who would really want to come here of any repute?

Some say he wants Sean Payton, and that makes enough sense with their history. But I just don't see how that would work.

Beyond just the contractual aspect of this, what has Payton ever done without Drew Brees? He got fired as the Giants' offensive coordinator. And just how is he going to institute his offense here with Dak Prescott? That offensive style just doesn't suit Dak's strengths and weaknesses.

Much of the same can be said for Josh McDaniels, or Lincoln Riley, or any other young passing guru coach out there. That's the flavor of the day, but just where is the fit for a coach like that in Dallas right now?

The eyes say this is a run-oriented, defensive football team, which is the opposite of what the Sean McVay crazed league is heading toward. That's perfectly fine, but it doesn't warrant the type of coach that everybody is clamoring for.

Rather than trying to incorporate things this offense isn't suited to do with Dak, wouldn't it be smarter to go after a more defensive-minded head coach in the traditional Parcells or Jimmy model?

That's what Jerry has hoped Garrett would become. Garrett takes that type of approach, but it's not amounting to anything beyond moderate regular season success. It works much of the time, but when a game gets sideways and the Cowboys have change up, most of the time they just can't.

A change of scheme is a good idea if you can do it. Maybe this team can make that change, and maybe it can't.

I think Jerry is afraid to take that leap of faith on a big-money new coach, and I think he's afraid to hear the truth from that new coach when he gets here. Money owed means power, and Jerry doesn't like handing that over to anyone. So he does nothing. Again.

Jerry, Garrett, and Dak are forever intertwined. They will win or go down together.

If Jerry capitulates and brings in a new guy, it won't be his idea. He hates that. It means WE were right, and even in grand victory, it will be a bitter pill. His way didn't work. Ours did.

That's like Jimmy Johnson all over again, and it would gnaw him to his core.

Absolutely spot on E! Good stuff.

 

[Bobhaze]

This town never celebrated division titles in the 70s,80s,or 90s. It EXPECTED them.

This used to be the Yankees, Lakers, Patriots market of the NFL. Now it's just a franchise living in its ancient past.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Jerry issued rings for NFC east “championships”. It may be the closest this team gets to a championship doing things “Jerry’s way”.

 

[ESisback]

It never ceases to amaze me who teams hire for head coaches.

Kingsbury goes 35-40 and is fired, and he's given the reins to an NFL team? Wade Phillips is fired from 3 teams and is promptly hired by another. Norv Turner is fired from 2 teams and promptly hired by the Chargers. Hue Jackson goes a freaking 3-36 and is being considered for the Bengals??? What do owners see in those guys? Why do they think they will be successful with their team when they've been mediocre, AT BEST, with multiple teams?

Guess the league is so conservative they can't look past their own noses....

It’s all about location. In Cleveland, Bellichick was crap. JJ is great in Big D, but does little with a HOF QB in Miami