Jimmuh was reportedly offered the Texans HC job

[Asklesko]

Jimmy in Dallas again would be amazing.

 

[AbeBeta]

Jimmy in Dallas again would be amazing.

Amazingly stupid that is. Seriously, this guy has been out too long. He clearly hasn't been scouting the league or doing any serious work. When BP was out he was still scouting college players and watching film.

For one guy, it is just in his blood. For the other guy it is about his pocketbook.

Jimmy is done.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

If that's true then the Texans need to be fined.

They did not go through the interview process and did not interview a single minority applicant. The Rooney rule has been very effective in increasing positions for African American coaches. It sucks that some owners feel they can ignore the legacy of one of the league's visionaries.

Yeah! Who cares if he's one of the best people for the job! Every team MUST interview minority candidates!

WE MUST BE POLITICALLY CORRECT!

 

[TunaFan33]

..and said "not interested".

This is being reported on the ESPN Hot List show..that Jimmy Johnson was sent feelers to coach the Texans and expressed no interest.

His head coaching choices have been excellent, IMHO.

The last time around after he resigned here, he wouldn't take choices like the Cincy gig in a heartbeat.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yeah! Who cares if he's one of the best people for the job! Every team MUST interview minority candidates!

WE MUST BE POLITICALLY CORRECT!

Actually, the rule is in place to break down the BS old boy's networks that keep minority applicants from having a fair shot. It allows, if nothing else, minority applicants to have the experience of interviewing for positions -- something that will make them better applicants in the future. Prior to this rule being put in place, the NFL was a model of discrimination - that so many players at the time were minorities and so few coaches were demonstrated a clear pattern of bias. The Rooney rule is helping move toward eliminating those biases.

It has nothing to do with political correctness -- frankly I see people who label it as such as ignorant. It has to do with correcting a fundamental bias in the hiring system. It is good for both the teams and for the applicants.

And how anyone can call a guy who has not coached since 1999 one of the "best people for the job" is beyond me.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Actually, the rule is in place to break down the BS old boy's networks that keep minority applicants from having a fair shot. It allows, if nothing else, minority applicants to have the experience of interviewing for positions. Prior to this rule being put in place, the NFL was a model of discrimination - that so many players at the time were minorities and so few coaches were demonstrated a clear pattern of bias. The Rooney rule is helping move toward eliminating those biases.

It has nothing to do with political correctness -- frankly I see people who label it as such as ignorant. It has to do with correcting a fundamental bias in the hiring system. It is good for both the teams and for the applicants.

And how anyone can call a guy who has not coached since 1999 one of the "best people for the job" is beyond me.

You can call me ignorant all you like. The NFL is about one thing...WINNING. If a candidate was likely to deliver a winning team, he would be hired no matter what his race. Frankly, I see people who view everything as being "fundamentally biased" as people who often can't perform at a high level and are looking for excuses. I'd love to see some proof that the "BS old boy's network" won't hire the best candidate because he's black.

And, by the way, go back and read the article again. I certainly did not make up the fact that Jimmy is a hot candidate - the article says the very same thing.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I dont see why anyone wouldnt want to go to the Texans. A man could cut his teeth helping that franchise get on track.

They have some good young players, they just need to start drafting a few offensive lineman.

- Mike G.

Whether they have good players or not...if a coach is good enough to turn that franchise into a contender than they will be considered a saint.

Look at the bengals before Lewis went there...many said he was a fool and that the bengals would never be winners.

Now he is looking like a genius because the worse the team is, the better you make it and the better you look in making it a good team.

Chances are if Lewis wanted a job with another team many would put him HIGH on their list because of what he has done with such a poor franchise.

 

[Gryphon]

Jimmy Johnson nixes Texans job
BY GARY MYERS
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Jimmy Johnson laughs off NFL return. Jimmy Johnson, always a hot name for NFL jobs this time of the year, recently turned down the opportunity to be the coach and general manager of the Houston Texans, multiple sources told the Daily News.Contacted yesterday at his home in the Florida Keys, Johnson, who now works for Fox on its NFL coverage, said, "I can't confirm any rumors. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I have no interest in going back to coaching."After Johnson turned him down, Texans owner Bob McNair hired former Giants coach Dan Reeves on Monday as a consultant to evaluate the 1-12 team, further evidence that coach Dom Capers and perhaps general manager Charley Casserly are in their final weeks with the disappointing fourth-year expansion team. Although Reeves has denied McNair has asked him if he's interested in Capers' job, he is now considered a likely candidate to replace him after the season and be given total control of the football operations.Johnson, however, was the big name McNair wanted, sources said. They were together months ago when Johnson was doing a television piece on the Hurricane Katrina evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston. He also visited the Texans' offices. But that preceded McNair contacting Johnson about working for the team. Johnson is from Port Arthur, Tex., and still has family in the area.Johnson coached the Cowboys to two Super Bowl championships in five years but had a messy divorce with Jerry Jones after the 1993 season following the second of back-to-back titles. After sitting out two years, he was hired to replace Don Shula in Miami, back where he made a name for himself at the University of Miami. But after a disappointing four seasons, he quit after a 62-7 divisional round playoff loss to Tom Coughlin's Jaguars.

For more updates visit http://gryphononcowboys.blogspot.com/

THE GRYPHON

 

[AbeBeta]

You can call me ignorant all you like. The NFL is about one thing...WINNING. If a candidate was likely to deliver a winning team, he would be hired no matter what his race. Frankly, I see people who view everything as being "fundamentally biased" as people who often can't perform at a high level and are looking for excuses. I'd love to see some proof that the "BS old boy's network" won't hire the best candidate because he's black.

Before the Rooney rule was in effect there were what 2 black HCs? And poor representation in the assistant ranks. Far less proportionally than in the player ranks. Why was it that so many former white players got assistant coaching jobs but not black players? That's plenty of evidence right there. You can't tell me that the whire folkds were not as good if not more qualified minority candidates for those positions.

And I'd love for you to show proof that you can actually measure who the "best" candidate for any job is. You'd certainly have something that any Fortune 500 company would pay millions for.

 

[burmafrd]

abersonc- if you cannot see past your own prejudice to realize that that whole rule was nothing but a sop to the Political Correct types like yourself then you really are stupid. It was a PR ploy and nothing else. And the stupidity that has come about since it was made has gotten a lot of laughs from every other professional sports league. NONE of whom have anything even remotely similiar. If a owner wants a vet coach like BP, then NO WAY should he have to do a stupid PR hack job like has been done recently just to obey a moronic rule like that. Only people like you would see anything but crap in a dumb thing like that.

 

[jja050575]

If that's true then the Texans need to be fined.

They did not go through the interview process and did not interview a single minority applicant. The Rooney rule has been very effective in increasing positions for African American coaches. It sucks that some owners feel they can ignore the legacy of one of the league's visionaries.

Why should they have to? People need to quit making more out of racism than there is. If i own the texans i hire who i want to hire. It is my right!!! People who don't like it can kiss my ***!!

 

[AbeBeta]

abersonc- if you cannot see past your own prejudice to realize that that whole rule was nothing but a sop to the Political Correct types like yourself then you really are stupid. It was a PR ploy and nothing else. And the stupidity that has come about since it was made has gotten a lot of laughs from every other professional sports league. NONE of whom have anything even remotely similiar. If a owner wants a vet coach like BP, then NO WAY should he have to do a stupid PR hack job like has been done recently just to obey a moronic rule like that. Only people like you would see anything but crap in a dumb thing like that.

burm -- a) I am not a "Politically Correct" type. b) I am someone who believes in the values of equality. c) I am not someone who is so ignorant to believe that equality can be achieved by pretending bias does not exist. and d) The Rooney Rule has suceeded in increasing minority representation in both the assistant and head coaching ranks - that's not a ploy or a PR move. it is a legitmate move to promote more equal hiring. e) the Rooney rule is totally consistent with strategies employed at thousands of organizations throughout the U.S. to increase organizational diversity. f) the Rooney rule is a voluntary measure taken by the NFL in recognition of the fact that they had a problem with discrimination -- consistent with Executive Order 11246, the first, and prefered, action for an organization that is demonstrated to be discriminating is to take positive actions on their own. The NFL did that in several manners -- for example, instituting minority coaching internships and head coaching interviewing requirements. g) had the NFL not engaged in these actions they likely would have faced federal intervention -- possibly even resulting in specific hiring goals for the future and far more restrictive rules regarding hiring decisions and the justifications for those decisions.

really, I could go all day on this.

 

[cowboys#1]

he gets paid to talk about football once a week, why go into a 18 hour a day job 365 days a year.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why should they have to? People need to quit making more out of racism than there is. If i own the texans i hire who i want to hire. It is my right!!! People who don't like it can kiss my ***!!

Actually he can. He can hire who he wants and interview who he wants.

However, the league can fine him a considerable amount of money for not following the rules.

Hell, if I had my druthers, I'd be walking down the street smoking a big fat doobie everyday -- certainly that is "my right!!!" isn't it. Of course, there are penalties for exerting "rights!!!" that break rules.

 

[AbeBeta]

he gets paid to talk about football once a week, why go into a 18 hour a day job 365 days a year.

Why? Because he'd only work about 40 or so hours a week and make his assistants do everything else.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Amazingly stupid that is. Seriously, this guy has been out too long. He clearly hasn't been scouting the league or doing any serious work. When BP was out he was still scouting college players and watching film.

For one guy, it is just in his blood. For the other guy it is about his pocketbook.

Jimmy is done.

Your "Jimmy hate" is all too obvious. First anyone who even looks his way you brand as breaking the Rooney Rule... ridiculous. Second, Jimmy wasn't even IN the league when he came in 1989 and turned the franchise around in 4 years. Get over it.

That being said, I think as wonderful as it would sound to hear them announce Jimmy as the Cowboys coach again, it would more likely end up being like Joe Gibbs second bite at the apple in Washington. Plus, you don't know when he's just going to pick up his ball and go home. Everyone knows he stayed a year longer than he wanted to in Miami.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Actually he can. He can hire who he wants and interview who he wants.

However, the league can fine him a considerable amount of money for not following the rules.

Hell, if I had my druthers, I'd be walking down the street smoking a big fat doobie everyday -- certainly that is "my right!!!" isn't it. Of course, there are penalties for exerting "rights!!!" that break rules.

Yes you do have rights... but you do not have a right to break the law...

Remember this...for every right you have, you have a responsibility. People like you want everyone else to have the responsibility (i.e. the responsiblity to follow politically correct rules, etc) while you have all the rights. I don't see anyone fanning any flames in the NBA asking why over 80% of the players are black, do you?

 

[AbeBeta]

Your "Jimmy hate" is all too obvious. First anyone who even looks his way you brand as breaking the Rooney Rule... ridiculous. Second, Jimmy wasn't even IN the league when he came in 1989 and turned the franchise around in 4 years. Get over it.

That being said, I think as wonderful as it would sound to hear them announce Jimmy as the Cowboys coach again, it would more likely end up being like Joe Gibbs second bite at the apple in Washington. Plus, you don't know when he's just going to pick up his ball and go home. Everyone knows he stayed a year longer than he wanted to in Miami.

It isn't Jimmy hate so much as recognizing that Jimmy doesn't have the fire for the game anymore. Jimmy did an outstanding job here. He was able to draft well and build a solid team that won the superbowl 2 years after he left despite Jerry and Switzer's incompetence.

And it isn't "looking his way" that breaks the rule -- it is the report that he was OFFERED the job.

Otherwise I agree with your assessment that he's done. And that's why I laughed when someone called him the best person for the job.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yes you do have rights... but you do not have a right to break the law...

And my point is that the NFL established a rule (i.e., a law). The owners voted on this rule and approved it. The Texans have to follow that rule or else they will be fined. By your logic therefore the Texans don't have the right to break that rule.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Before the Rooney rule was in effect there were what 2 black HCs? And poor representation in the assistant ranks. Far less proportionally than in the player ranks. Why was it that so many former white players got assistant coaching jobs but not black players? That's plenty of evidence right there. You can't tell me that the whire folkds were not as good if not more qualified minority candidates for those positions.

And I'd love for you to show proof that you can actually measure who the "best" candidate for any job is. You'd certainly have something that any Fortune 500 company would pay millions for.

There used to be far more white PLAYERS in the NFL also, but that has changed, too. Did that have to do with any Rooney Rule? No, it did not. There USED to be a bit of prejudice in favor of white candidates because there weren't that many black candidates involved. As the years have gone by more and more blacks have risen through the ranks and have taken jobs as head coaches, and they have proven successful. Blacks coaches are no different than white coaches (except for when people factor their race in, as you seem to). In my opinion, I would hire the best person for the job regardless. Tony Dungy is a great example. He paid his dues, and he absolutely deserves to be where he is. There are quite a few like him. My point is simply that, in the NFL, there is no ROOM for discrimination because it is a BUSINESS. Win and you're in - lose and you're outta here.

Hiring a candidate is an inexact science. But if you're going to complain to me that Jimmy Johnson getting a phone call is an indication that the Owner of the Texans is racist you're facing a MAJOR uphill battle. Someone calls Mike Zimmer to make that offer - maybe you're on to something. But Jimmy Johnson?

You're seeing racism where there just isn't any. By the way, I have many black friends, and I didn't speak to my own mother for nearly two years because of her racist ignorance. Don't try to go there with me, OK?

The best man gets the job...period. Find me the owner that fails to hire the better black candidate and I'll work hand in hand with you to bring attention to it.