Jimmy Johnson in his book "Swagger," in order to win SB, you need a great QB not a good one

[plasticman]

I wonder how many fans remember that Jimmy drafted a quarterback with the #1 overall pick in the draft two seasons in a row. he drafted Troy Aikman with the 1989 #1 overall pick and he drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft later that preeseason. In doing so, he forfeited the Cowboys #1 pick in the 1990 draft which just happened to be #1 overall as a result for their 1-15 season.

Jimmy then made his choice and eventually traded Walsh to the Saints for their #1 and #3 that year in addition to their #2 pick the following year. Jimmy didn't just trade Herschel Walker for multiple high picks. The Walsh trade also expedited the Cowboys success in the early 90's.

 

[Qcard]

After 7 years with Dak, I hold Jimmy's philosophy to be true. Dak will never get us to a SB, let alone win us one.

So, our fans aren't looking at a SB for another 4 or more years? Ugh

Jimmy Philosophy and coaching style wouldn't survive the 21st Century Professional Athlete and Lockeroom....

Wax poetic about Jimmy but without Jerry's deep pockets.....Tom Coughlin retired Jimmy with a 62pt dismissal of Swagger Coaching

 

[Wezsh0T]

There's been QBs that haven't been great that have won Super Bowls though.

The problem is having a not great QB that believes he's great.

That's where the trouble starts and that's what we have in Dak.

Yup. Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. These were guys that had great seasons because they played within their systems, didn't make mistakes to sink their team, and got hot at the right time. If Dak had actually just played a Trent Dilfer, bus driver type game against the 49ers, we probably win. Even then, we probably still win if TP doesn't go down. We couldn't run the ball or use the short passing game at all after that. Even then, we had opportunities to win the game if Dak just has an average 2nd half.

 

[Cowboys5217]

I wonder how many fans remember that Jimmy drafted a quarterback with the #1 overall pick in the draft two seasons in a row. he drafted Troy Aikman with the 1989 #1 overall pick and he drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft later that preeseason. In doing so, he forfeited the Cowboys #1 pick in the 1990 draft which just happened to be #1 overall as a result for their 1-15 season.

Jimmy then made his choice and eventually traded Walsh to the Saints for their #1 and #3 that year in addition to their #2 pick the following year. Jimmy didn't just trade Herschel Walker for multiple high picks. The Walsh trade also expedited the Cowboys success in the early 90's.

Jimmy even managed to move Steve Pelleur to the Chiefs for multiple picks. The guy was a wizard at trades.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Jimmy Philosophy and coaching style wouldn't survive the 21st Century Professional Athlete and Lockeroom....

Wax poetic about Jimmy but without Jerry's deep pockets.....Tom Coughlin retired Jimmy with a 62pt dismissal of Swagger Coaching

None of that erases what Jimmy accomplished. He was the first coach to win the championship in college and the pros. He was the architect of our dynasty. Invalidating that is like saying Vince Lombardi sucks because of his tenure with Washington.

 

[CowboyRoy]

After 7 years with Dak, I hold Jimmy's philosophy to be true. Dak will never get us to a SB, let alone win us one.

So, our fans aren't looking at a SB for another 4 or more years? Ugh

So how did he win 3 with aikman if he needed a great qb? Aikman was top 10 never elite by any stretch.

 

[CowboyRoy]

After 7 years with Dak, I hold Jimmy's philosophy to be true. Dak will never get us to a SB, let alone win us one.

So, our fans aren't looking at a SB for another 4 or more years? Ugh

Give Dak or romo aikmans team and coaching and they both win multiple SBs.

 

[IslandCowboy]

You can win with a good QB but you need a historic defense and run game. Unfortunately we have neither. We have what I would deem an above average to great defense, a good running game, and an ok middle of the pack QB; therefore we aren't getting there let alone winning unless you make some major changes.

 

[IslandCowboy]

Jimmy said recently that Dak can win a Super Bowl but must have a better running game

Dak has been in a team with a pretty great running game majority of the years he has been in the league. He needs a great running game and a great defense not one or the other. Kind of hard to do when he takes up $40M of the cap.

 

[Legend]

So how did he win 3 with aikman if he needed a great qb? Aikman was top 10 never elite by any stretch.

Aikman is known as a top 2 QB of his era with John Elway.

For the Cowboys 4 year run; Aikman was 10-1 in the playoffs with 21 TDs and 8 INTs. 3 SBs and 1 MVP.

He finished with 90 wins in the 1990s as the starting QB; the most of any QB in a decade at the time.

And you want Dak instead? The inconsistent guy who is slow to process the field, makes the wrong reads, and is not as accurate as Aikman?

 

[GMO415]

various:
Jimmy's book was written about the pre-salary cap era.
When you could legit build super teams it was much harder to win with normal QBs.
Dak is as good as the QB who won the SB last year.

Negative. He refers to today's NFL QB like Burrow and Mahomes.

In fact, Norv Turner went and evaluated Burrow and his final synopsis was "he's the best QB I've ever come across in my lifetime."

 

[CowboyRoy]

Aikman is known as a top 2 QB of his era with John Elway.

For the Cowboys 4 year run; Aikman was 10-1 in the playoffs with 21 TDs and 8 INTs. 3 SBs and 1 MVP.

He finished with 90 wins in the 1990s as the starting QB; the most of any QB in a decade at the time.

And you want Dak instead? The inconsistent guy who is slow to process the field, makes the wrong reads, and is not as accurate as Aikman?

Bwaaaaaaa!!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Bwaaaaaaa!!!!

Aikman handed off to emmitt is what he did.

 

[My3Sons]

I disagree with Jimmy. You most certainly don’t need a great QB to win one.

Jimmy won titles when there wasn’t a salary cap.

You just can’t pay a non-elite QB like they’re elite and win.

This. There have been average QBs that win SBs, but it is the outlier where the rest of the team is stacked. Cant stack a team that dedicates 20+% of its cap to an average QB that turns the ball over. No way a Dak led team can win 4 games in a row against winning teams.

 

[Legend]

Aikman handed off to emmitt is what he did.

Yes. Because the Cowboys had a balanced attack. Aikman had to pass too.

“Troy Aikman had a passer rating of 106.3 with 2915 yards, 21 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in 11 games in the playoffs between the 1992 and 1995 seasons.”

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes. Because the Cowboys had a balanced attack. Aikman had to pass too.

“Troy Aikman had a passer rating of 106.3 with 2915 yards, 21 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in 11 games in the playoffs between the 1992 and 1995 seasons.”

Love aikman but he didn’t have to win many games.

Might have had the best team around him ever.

 

[doomsday808]

Nick Foles?