Jimmy Johnson in his book "Swagger," in order to win SB, you need a great QB not a good one

[Landryhat73]

I guess the only positive is as of this season none of the elite QBs have established themselves in the NFC. I understand Rodgers & Brady but they are close to the end.

 

[Ken]

So, our team is loaded enough to win with a noodle armed backup nobody of a QB, but not loaded enough for Dak, a 40mil "ToPtENqB!!" to beat a noodle armed backup nobody, literally Mr. Irrelevant? Even though our defense held them below 20 points?

Explain to all of us living in reality how a "noodle arm" backup qb has the 3rd longest completion in the air this year in the entire NFL?

We all would love to hear this next level analysis from you.

 

[Ken]

The 1991 Mark Rypien was way better than Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.

The NFC East was the NFC Beast from 1990-1995.

A team from the East won the SB every year except 1994. And those teams had great D.

True!

Rypien had no one to throw to and a horrible defense that year too.

 

[Ken]

What you need is a great defense, a QB that doesn't turn the ball over, can move the chains on 3rd downs, and a big O-line with sure handed running back(s)
Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien disprove Jimmy's theory.

Good thing our defense is on the cusp and we showed we could move the chains on 3rd down this year (1st).

We are close we just have to do what it takes to get over the top.

 

[Zekeats]

There's been QBs that haven't been great that have won Super Bowls though.

The problem is having a not great QB that believes he's great.

That's where the trouble starts and that's what we have in Dak.

With the exception of Trent Dilfer and maybe the greatests defense off alltime vs probably one of the worst teams to get there, most of the SB QBs are great or at least were great during the run and in the SB.

 

[Captain-Crash]

so jimmy basically said in one of his interviews that you would never win anything without a stacked team around dak to keep him from pissing the game away like every year, and now he's saying you won't win a super bowl without a great QB.
I guess basically he's saying dak sucks and never will win anything.
somebody call Jimmy a loser who knows nothing now.

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys have not played in a NFC Championship game since 1995.

And if fans believe Dak and Romo are/were good QBs; the Cowboys definitely need a great QB because Romo and Dak are not good enough.

It seems they are good for either a wild card victory or one and done in the playoffs.

Maybe a great QB can get the team over the hump by winning a divisional playoff game.

The Cowboys have only had two “great” QBs in their entire history. Romo was good enough to win a championship, but we simply never had a good enough team to get it done. It’s been the same under Dak. We keep running into better teams. The Cowboys always have a deficiency that’s exposed in the playoffs by a better team. During the Romo years it was our defense that was exposed. Our defense was a problem under Dak in 2016 and 2018. Our offense and defense was a big reason we lost to San Francisco in 2021 in the playoffs. Dak and our offense killed us last week against San Francisco. That was one of the better defensive games we’ve had in the playoffs, but the turnovers killed us.

Both Roger Staubach, and Troy Aikman had great teams around them. They would’ve come up short as well in the playoffs had the team had deficiencies that better teams could’ve exposed. Staubach had a couple of Super Bowls losses to the Steelers because they were a better team. We made mistakes against them and they were more physical. We also lost some conference title games under Staubach because we ran into a better team. The teams Aikman had in the 90s that won championships didn’t have deficiencies. The Cowboys were clearly the better team every time they lined up. Neither Romo or Dak has ever played for as complete a football team offensively and defensively as we had back then.

 

[Legend]

The Cowboys have only had two “great” QBs in their entire history. Romo was good enough to win a championship, but we simply never had a good enough team to get it done. It’s been the same under Dak. We keep running into better teams. The Cowboys always have a deficiency that’s exposed in the playoffs by a better team. During the Romo years it was our defense that was exposed. Our defense was a problem under Dak in 2016 and 2018. Our offense and defense was a big reason we lost to San Francisco in 2021 in the playoffs. Dak and our offense killed us last week against San Francisco. That was one of the better defensive games we’ve had in the playoffs, but the turnovers killed us.

Both Roger Staubach, and Troy Aikman had great teams around them. They would’ve come up short as well in the playoffs had the team had deficiencies that better teams could’ve exposed. Staubach had a couple of Super Bowls losses to the Steelers because they were a better team. We made mistakes against them and they were more physical. We also lost some conference title games under Staubach because we ran into a better team. The teams Aikman had in the 90s that won championships didn’t have deficiencies. The Cowboys were clearly the better team every time they lined up. Neither Romo or Dak has ever played for as complete a football team offensively and defensively as we had back then.

The Cowboys have only had two “great” QBs in their entire history. Romo was good enough to win a championship, but we simply never had a good enough team to get it done. It’s been the same under Dak. We keep running into better teams. The Cowboys always have a deficiency that’s exposed in the playoffs by a better team. During the Romo years it was our defense that was exposed. Our defense was a problem under Dak in 2016 and 2018. Our offense and defense was a big reason we lost to San Francisco in 2021 in the playoffs. Dak and our offense killed us last week against San Francisco. That was one of the better defensive games we’ve had in the playoffs, but the turnovers killed us.

Both Roger Staubach, and Troy Aikman had great teams around them. They would’ve come up short as well in the playoffs had the team had deficiencies that better teams could’ve exposed. Staubach had a couple of Super Bowls losses to the Steelers because they were a better team. We made mistakes against them and they were more physical. We also lost some conference title games under Staubach because we ran into a better team. The teams Aikman had in the 90s that won championships didn’t have deficiencies. The Cowboys were clearly the better team every time they lined up. Neither Romo or Dak has ever played for as complete a football team offensively and defensively as we had back then.

In 1992 the 14-2 49ers were considered the best in the NFL.

The intro for the 1992 NFC Championship game was epic because it mentioned the start of the 1980s 49ers dynasty and after this game was the start of the 1990s Cowboys dynasty.



Aikman played extremely well (close to flawless) each playoff game during the 1992 season.

Romo’s best chance was in 2007.

Dak’s best chance based off of his play was in 2016.

This season was a similar chance for Dak if he could have played better on a consistent basis.

 

[KJJ]

In 1992 the 14-2 49ers were considered the best in the NFL.

Aikman played well each playoff game during the 1992 season.

Romo’s best chance was in 2007.

Dak’s best chance based off of his play was in 2016.

This season was a similar chance for Dak if he could have play better on a consistent basis.

The 92 49ers were favored by 4.5 points mainly because they were playing at home but there were plenty who were picking the Cowboys to win that game. Those were two great teams but the Cowboys had a young team and some felt they were still a year away, however they proved that day they were the better team. Everything back in the 90s revolved around the Cowboys running game, so Troy Aikman didn’t have to throw the ball much. His career numbers were low, which has many claiming he wasn’t even a great QB. Romo had a couple of real good chances in 2007 and 2014. He didn’t play very well in 2007 and our defense couldn’t get the Giants off the field on third down. In 2014 we couldn’t stop a one legged Aaron Rodgers. In 2016 Dak had a great rookie season and had a solid playoff game against Green Bay but again our defense couldn’t stop Aaron Rodgers when the game was on the line.

 

[chasecooley5308]

Not saying he's wrong but I guess nick foles is a HOF lock then?

 

[Legend]

The 92 49ers were favored by 4.5 points mainly because they were playing at home but there were plenty who were picking the Cowboys to win that game. Those were two great teams but the Cowboys had a young team and some felt they were still a year away, however they proved that day they were the better team. Everything back in the 90s revolved around the Cowboys running game, so Troy Aikman didn’t have to throw the ball much. His career numbers were low, which has many claiming he wasn’t even a great QB. Romo had a couple of real good chances in 2007 and 2014. He didn’t play very well in 2007 and our defense couldn’t get the Giants off the field on third down. In 2014 we couldn’t stop a one legged Aaron Rodgers. In 2016 Dak had a great rookie season and had a solid playoff game against Green Bay but again our defense couldn’t stop Aaron Rodgers when the game was on the line.

And for that 1992 NFC Championship game; Aikman elevated his play; throwing 34 times for 322 yards.

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I have seen others mention Romo averaging around 200 passing yards per game in the playoffs.

Romo and Dak seemed to play better in the regular season relative to the post season.

While Aikman played better in the post season relative to the regular season.

After the Cowboys got stuffed on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the easy FG to go up by 14.

The 49ers drove down the field and scored a TD; reducing the lead to 4 with 4 minutes left in the game.

Instead of blaming the D for not stopping the 49ers; Aikman and the offense closed out the victory for the Cowboys; by scoring a TD.



Aikman was clutch in the playoffs unlike Romo and Dak

 

[tyke1doe]

No. To appear in or win MULTIPLE Super Bowls, you need a GREAT quarterback, not a good one.
That's the general rule. See: Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, etc.

 

[KJJ]

And for that 1992 NFC Championship game; Aikman elevated his play; throwing 34 times for 322 yards.

24

34

322

2

0

4

27

70

120.0

I have seen others mention Romo averaging around 200 passing yards per game in the playoffs.

Romo and Dak seemed to play better in the regular season relative to the post season.

While Aikman played better in the post season relative to the regular season.

After the Cowboys got stuffed on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the easy FG to go up by 14.

The 49ers drove down the field and scored a TD; reducing the lead to 4 with 4 minutes left in the game.

Instead of blaming the D for not stopping the 49ers; Aikman and the offense closed out the victory for the Cowboys; by scoring a TD.



Aikman was clutch in the playoffs unlike Romo and Dak

I watched the game live. Troy Aikman played outstanding and our defense was great as well. However, the Cowboys caught a huge break early in the game. On San Francisco’s first possession they scored on a long TD pass to Jerry Rice, but it was negated due to a penalty. Had that TD stood the game may have turned out differently. Romo wasn’t clutch in the playoffs except against Detroit. That may have been his best playoff performance. Dak brought us back from a two score deficit against Green Bay in the playoffs, only to have our defense choke in the final seconds.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't see Aikman as a a great QB. He was a good QB on an exceptionally good team. Had he been on a bottom dweller, he would not have ever made it to the SB.

 

[Ken]

And for that 1992 NFC Championship game; Aikman elevated his play; throwing 34 times for 322 yards.

24

34

322

2

0

4

27

70

120.0

I have seen others mention Romo averaging around 200 passing yards per game in the playoffs.

Romo and Dak seemed to play better in the regular season relative to the post season.

While Aikman played better in the post season relative to the regular season.

After the Cowboys got stuffed on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the easy FG to go up by 14.

The 49ers drove down the field and scored a TD; reducing the lead to 4 with 4 minutes left in the game.

Instead of blaming the D for not stopping the 49ers; Aikman and the offense closed out the victory for the Cowboys; by scoring a TD.



Aikman was clutch in the playoffs unlike Romo and Dak

I mean...i agree he did.....in the three seasons that we actually won Super Bowls. Not so much in the others.

Why?

Because the talent around him eroded.

Simple as that.

 

[khiladi]

There are always going to be anomalies, but what Jimmy said is generally true. Those guys that were an anomaly, such as Flacco put together GREAT play-off runs, meaning they played like elite QBs during that stretch. Other QBs like Dilfer had arguably the greatest defense in NFL history. The same can be said with Russell Wilson.

To keep a franchise in a super bowl shooting distance for the long haul, you are going to need a great QB.

 

[Legend]

I watched the game live. Troy Aikman played outstanding and our defense was great as well. However, the Cowboys caught a huge break early in the game. On San Francisco’s first possession they scored on a long TD pass to Jerry Rice, but it was negated due to a penalty. Had that TD stood the game may have turned out differently. Romo wasn’t clutch in the playoffs except against Detroit. That may have been his best playoff performance. Dak brought us back from a two score deficit against Green Bay in the playoffs, only to have our defense choke in the final seconds.

If you watched the game; why are you trying to down play Aikman like he rode Emmitt Smith to victory?

I cannot see how fans who watched the Cowboys games live in the early 1990s would ever try to defend Romo and Dak.

Those two were/are not good enough in the playoffs.

Winning a divisional round playoff game should be routine instead of an insurmountable task for the past 27 years.

Nonetheless, that was a huge hold by the 49ers. So not really a break for the Cowboys.

The 49ers got their break in the 1994 NFC Championship when Deion was not penalized for pass interference.

 

[Captain-Crash]

No, we don't need a great quarterback Jimmy you quitter. We need a great team around a turd who gets carried in every game. Sheesh, Jimmy you idiot.

 

[Legend]

I mean...i agree he did.....in the three seasons that we actually won Super Bowls. Not so much in the others.

Why?

Because the talent around him eroded.

Simple as that.

The window of opportunity is narrow for many in the NFL.

Only Bradshaw, Montana, and Brady (the outlier) have won more SBs than Aikman.

So why did Peyton, Favre, Brees, Young, Elway, Rodgers, and several other QB greats never won 3 SBs?

 

[Ken]

The window of opportunity is narrow for many in the NFL.

Only Bradshaw, Montana, and Brady (the outlier) have won more SBs than Aikman.

So why did Peyton, Favre, Brees, Young, Elway, Rodgers, and several other QB greats never won 3 SBs?

Same reason I stated above.

The talent erodes. For Dallas...no salary cap and they had the most talent until it was eroded by the Cap.

Favre kept running into Dallas.

Young ran into Dallas and talent eroded after they were found cheating in 1994.