Jimmy Johnson on Mike and Mike

[rcaldw]

Jimmy Johnson on Mike and Mike this morning said that the Cowboys are a sloppy football team. That isn't news to all of us who watch them week after week, but I wonder when Jerry will wake up to it. When someone said that Wade came out to practice last Thursday with his shorts pulled down, his hat backwards and sunglasses on, trying to be funny, it was almost too much to believe.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

time to man up jerry and invest in a real coach like you do in players.

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

Bla....bla....bla....bla.....

 

[superpunk]

Jimmy only nurtured his team when he knew they didn't have what it takes. Once he saw potential, he tore into them nonstop.

It takes all kinds, obviously - but I think it's becoming obvious that for this Cowboys team, it's going to take Jimmy's kind.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

Bla....bla....bla....bla.....

thats Jerrys attitude too..& why we have failed in the Wade era to this point.

 

[rcaldw]

Bla....bla....bla....bla.....

Yea, I know, it all means nothing, it always means nothing, and meanwhile we continue to have a coach who has NEVER won a playoff game. We continue to have a team, that was picked by most to win it all this year, underachieve in notable fashion. Yea, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, all the way to another wasted year if something doesn't change.

Listen, I don't know what the answer is either. And changing head coaches in the middle of a 4-2 season probably ISN'T the answer. I just know I get sick and tired of watching him raise his hands on the sidelines as if he is absolutely helpless, and I get sick and tired of watching us play sloppy football.

 

[Bach]

time to man up jerry and invest in a real coach like you do in players.

Bingo.

But he's only tried that once since Jimmy left. And since it only got us from 5-11 to 10-6 it was apparently deemed a failure so he decided to go back to the Campo and Gailey approach, which obviously worked so well.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wasn't BP the same kind of coach, to some degree, that Jimmy was? We played sloppy under him as well and we didn't win any playoff games under him either.

 

[Boysboy]

Bingo.

But he's only tried that once since Jimmy left. And since it only got us from 5-11 to 10-6 it was apparently deemed a failure so he decided to go back to the Campo and Gailey approach, which obviously worked so well.

Back to 6-10, 9-7, and 9-7, followed by an early exit in the playoffs.

So what's your point?

 

[superpunk]

Wasn't BP the same kind of coach, to some degree, that Jimmy was? We played sloppy under him as well and we didn't win any playoff games under him either.

I think Bill WAS that kind of coach, back in New England and New York - but he was never that guy in Dallas. Back in the day he was a fanatical in your face all the time never let up on kinda guy. Not here. Here he was just a grumpy old man who would still deliver one-liners from time to time, but the energy and fire that someone like Jimmy had was never there with Bill in Dallas.

I think that's what we need - the energy and fire. Not so much like Bill who was more of a curmudgeon, or like Wade who is just happy as hell to be here and everything is lovely and this is a family - Yippee!!! Someone like Jimmy.

 

[rcaldw]

Wasn't BP the same kind of coach, to some degree, that Jimmy was? We played sloppy under him as well and we didn't win any playoff games under him either.

We may have played sloppy at times under Parcells, and I was no huge Parcells fan, but at least there was the realization that there was some accountability.

Please tell me the last Super Bowl winner that played under a coach like a Wade Phillips or a Bum Phillips or a Jerry Glanville kind of guy? I can't think of one since 1995 and Barry Switzer, and that was with a stacked team, and I think you would be hard pressed to remember many throughout NFL history.

I grant you that I don't have a steel trap memory, but if you look at MULTIPLE Super Bowl winners, I'm pretty sure they were all disciplinarians.

Landry
Walsh
Noll
Jimmy Johnson
Belicheat


You might get an exception every once in a while, but there is a reason they are an exception.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I think this zoners,

When Jerry Jones got into trouble over the adam jones thing, and the commissioner suspended him again. Jerry Jones woke up, he wanted accountablity. Reports are that Jerry Jones went to tank johnson and told him he shouldnt have said the things he did over air on the things he did when he came to dallas, etc. '

I think jerry jones wants accountablity from players and coaches now. So, with urging of Romo, Garrett, Jerry went out and got roy williams wr, to give some umph to this offense, till romo gets back with felix jones.

The next thing you see in the papers is that wade says i want accountabilty from players and special teams, so wade assigns 2 extra coaches along with john garrett on special teams with special teams coach read.

Now that to me is sending signals, wade knows his job is on the line, and he isnt going to allow read or some stupid play by rogers, carpenter, curtis to foul up special teams and hurt the team and wade chance at a superbowl.

I think that Jerry Jones after the adam jones issue and talking with tank johnson told wade he wants accountablity too. So, now wade is forced to whether he likes it or not, to make the players accountable and himself.


I think some things are finally changing with good ole wade and he is waking up and smelling the roses, and the cowboys are going to take it out on the rams.

Only time will tell, but that is what i am thinking. Hope im right, and finally wade has quit playing around at being a coach, and kicking rear end now.

 

[jcblanco22]

Back to 6-10, 9-7, and 9-7, followed by an early exit in the playoffs.

So what's your point?

Exactly. If anything, of all those mentioned, it was the Gailey approach that worked the best, taking a bunch of lazy, older, and complacent players in '98 whose practice habits and work ethic had systematically deteriorated under Switzer (especially evident after reading Boys Will Be Boys) and getting them to respond to the tune of a 10-6 record his first year (with Aikman missing 5 games). Gailey was tough enough without being Jimmy.

 

[rcaldw]

I think Bill WAS that kind of coach, back in New England and New York - but he was never that guy in Dallas. Back in the day he was a fanatical in your face all the time never let up on kinda guy. Not here. Here he was just a grumpy old man who would still deliver one-liners from time to time, but the energy and fire that someone like Jimmy had was never there with Bill in Dallas.

I think that's what we need - the energy and fire. Not so much like Bill who was more of a curmudgeon, or like Wade who is just happy as hell to be here and everything is lovely and this is a family - Yippee!!! Someone like Jimmy.

Very, very well said and good observations.

 

[Boysboy]

We may have played sloppy at times under Parcells, and I was no huge Parcells fan, but at least there was the realization that there was some accountability.

Please tell me the last Super Bowl winner that played under a coach like a Wade Phillips or a Bum Phillips or a Jerry Glanville kind of guy? I can't think of one since 1995 and Barry Switzer, and that was with a stacked team, and I think you would be hard pressed to remember many throughout NFL history.

I grant you that I don't have a steel trap memory, but if you look at MULTIPLE Super Bowl winners, I'm pretty sure they were all disciplinarians.

Landry
Walsh
Noll
Jimmy Johnson
Belicheat


You might get an exception every once in a while, but there is a reason they are an exception.

Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Dick "I cry like a girl" Vermeil
George "I was just riding on the coattails of Bill Walsh" Seifert

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

tell me is it wade's fat arse lining up on the O-LINE and blocking?

if it's any coach you wanna ship out of here it should be STEWART.....
and BRUCE.......

 

[CrazyCowboy]

wow....did that really happen with Coach Wade?

Is that true?

If yes, I have lost a lot of respect for him?

 

[Hostile]

Bingo.

But he's only tried that once since Jimmy left. And since it only got us from 5-11 to 10-6 it was apparently deemed a failure so he decided to go back to the Campo and Gailey approach, which obviously worked so well.

That's only telling 1/4 of the story there Bach.

10-6, 1st round playoff exit.
6-10
9-7
9-7, 1st round playoff exit.

Overall 34-32 with 2 post season losses and still Jerry tried to offer him more money to stay and finish the course and he walked away. Jerry didn't fire him. Jerry didn't ask him to resign. A .515 winning % is hardly stellar. You can bag on Gailey but he won better than Parcells did.

 

[rcaldw]

Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Dick "I cry like a girl" Vermeil
George "I was just riding on the coattails of Bill Walsh" Seifert

Tony Dungy is a nice guy, but I wouldn't say he isn't a disciplinarian, AND not a multiple Super Bowl winner.

Dick, I cry like a girl Vermeil, is emotional, but he also expected a lot from his players, and again, was NOT a multiple Super Bowl winner.

George Seifert, I'm not familiar enough with how he coached his team (very familiar with the years he was there, just did not pay much attention to his style) to know whether he was a disciplinarian or not, but again, was NOT a multiple Super Bowl winner.

 

[rcaldw]

That's only telling 1/4 of the story there Bach.

10-6, 1st round playoff exit.
6-10
9-7
9-7, 1st round playoff exit.

Overall 34-32 with 2 post season losses and still Jerry tried to offer him more money to stay and finish the course and he walked away. Jerry didn't fire him. Jerry didn't ask him to resign. A .515 winning % is hardly stellar. You can bag on Gailey but he won better than Parcells did.

This is true Hos, but at least Parcells won two Super Bowls somewhere in the past, and had playoff victories somewhere in the past. It isn't just Dallas where Wade has failed in the playoffs, it was in Buffalo too.