Jimmy Johnson on Mike and Mike

[Boysboy]

That's only telling 1/4 of the story there Bach.

10-6, 1st round playoff exit.
6-10
9-7
9-7, 1st round playoff exit.

Overall 34-32 with 2 post season losses and still Jerry tried to offer him more money to stay and finish the course and he walked away. Jerry didn't fire him. Jerry didn't ask him to resign. A .515 winning % is hardly stellar. You can bag on Gailey but he won better than Parcells did.

And less not forget that through thick and thin, Jerry all but gave in to what Parcells wanted. Sure, Parcells didn't exactly have the final say on everything, but Jerry trusted him alot.

BTW-Parcells DID sign off on TO. Both Jerry AND Stephen asked him many times to MAKE SURE if he wanted him on his team, and Parcells would say he had no problem every time-otherwise, Owens would not have been on the team. So yes, it was Jerry's IDEA, and he lobbied hard for TO to come on board, but Tuna had the final say.

 

[superpunk]

There can be no denying that over the past six years, we have seen this team come out MANY MANY times and look sleepy, lethargic, unenthused, etc.

I think you can trace that attitude straight to the top. These are old men we're talking about. Something different is needed.

Something like this.

I mean, holy crap. That was just in studio.

 

[Boysboy]

This is true Hos, but at least Parcells won two Super Bowls somewhere in the past, and had playoff victories somewhere in the past. It isn't just Dallas where Wade has failed in the playoffs, it was in Buffalo too.

NY Giants - Parcells WON a playoff game in yr 3, and then won the SUPER BOWL in year 4...only to win another in his last year.

Pats - Parcells took them to the Super Bowl in yr 4.

NY Jets - Parcells took them to the AFC Title game in yr 2.

Here in Dallas-he goes 0-2 in the playoffs, while crashing and burning every Dec. So your point being?

 

[burmafrd]

BP did not have the energy left to really get it done here. That was pretty clear. We need someone tough enough and young enough to really fry
some fat complacent behinds.

Jon Gruden is NOT a lovie smith or Tony Dungy. He is pretty tough. Dungy is the only so called nice guy to win a SB without having had a previous winners team. One out of HOW many?

 

[rcaldw]

NY Giants - Parcells WON a playoff game in yr 3, and then won the SUPER BOWL in year 4...only to win another in his last year.

Pats - Parcells took them to the Super Bowl in yr 4.

NY Jets - Parcells took them to the AFC Title game in yr 2.

Here in Dallas-he goes 0-2 in the playoffs, while crashing and burning every Dec. So your point being?

My point being that a disciplinarian approach worked in 3 places, that you yourself note, only "failing" in the 4th place (yet still rebuilding this team into what it is right now), and I haven't seen the "aw shucks" approach, consistently work anywhere.

 

[CATCH17]

This team was just as dumb under Parcells and regardless of how good Jimmy was Parcells was just as good if not better at cleaning up a sloppy team.

This team cant overcome that rergardless who is the coach.

What they need is focus and enthusiasm from the leadership positions.

Wade and Romo have to be on point at all times from a leadership standpoint or this team turns ordinary quick.

 

[JJB500]

Tony Dungy is a nice guy, but I wouldn't say he isn't a disciplinarian, AND not a multiple Super Bowl winner.

Dick, I cry like a girl Vermeil, is emotional, but he also expected a lot from his players, and again, was NOT a multiple Super Bowl winner.

George Seifert, I'm not familiar enough with how he coached his team (very familiar with the years he was there, just did not pay much attention to his style) to know whether he was a disciplinarian or not, but again, was NOT a multiple Super Bowl winner.

Seifert won in 89 & 94......

 

[Chief]

I've been saying this team is "sloppy" since last November.

They're explosive and capable of great things, but they make a lot of mistakes ... from dropped passes, to penalties, to mental errors, to missed tackles.

They're like Marilyn Monroe -- beautiful, but flawed.

I'm hoping they'll eventually pull it together, but I'm losing confidence in this coaching staff.

 

[Boysboy]

BP did not have the energy left to really get it done here. That was pretty clear. We need someone tough enough and young enough to really fry
some fat complacent behinds.

Jon Gruden is NOT a lovie smith or Tony Dungy. He is pretty tough. Dungy is the only so called nice guy to win a SB without having had a previous winners team. One out of HOW many?

From what I've read and heard from Bucs fans, Gruden is NOT a decent disciplinarian. Yeah, he may look tough, but he's not all that.

 

[Bach]

That's only telling 1/4 of the story there Bach.

10-6, 1st round playoff exit.
6-10
9-7
9-7, 1st round playoff exit.

Overall 34-32 with 2 post season losses and still Jerry tried to offer him more money to stay and finish the course and he walked away. Jerry didn't fire him. Jerry didn't ask him to resign. A .515 winning % is hardly stellar. You can bag on Gailey but he won better than Parcells did.

What do you think Gailey, Switzer or Campo would've done if they inherited the same 5-11 team that BP did?

Also, in making these coaching comparisons, many state that at least Switzer won a Super Bowl. Of course he also took over a team that was loaded and had just won back-to-back Super Bowls. I say it would be a good bet Gailey or Campo would've won at least one also if they took over in '94.

Bottomline is that BP was the best coach we've had since Jimmy. He wasn't as effective as I would've liked and I have no problem with him leaving and being replaced. I'd just like to see him replaced with a quality HC instead of us going back to the old B.S.
Switzer was just Jerry trying to make a point. And it was true that any of 500 coaches could've won with what was in place at that time. Too bad Jerry's goals were so low back then.

As for Gailey, Campo and Wade - they all basically the same, glorified coordinators with no real control.

 

[rcaldw]

BP did not have the energy left to really get it done here. That was pretty clear. We need someone tough enough and young enough to really fry
some fat complacent behinds.

Jon Gruden is NOT a lovie smith or Tony Dungy. He is pretty tough. Dungy is the only so called nice guy to win a SB without having had a previous winners team. One out of HOW many?

And Burma, I'm not even saying that the coach has to be a screamer. I don't think Tom Landry was a screamer. I don't care if you speak softly, or speak loudly, YOU HAVE TO CARRY A BIG STICK. And until there is accountability here, and as long as the head coach acts like he is helpless, we won't see this team fulfill its potential.

 

[Thanos68]

Jimmy only nurtured his team when he knew they didn't have what it takes. Once he saw potential, he tore into them nonstop.

It takes all kinds, obviously - but I think it's becoming obvious that for this Cowboys team, it's going to take Jimmy's kind.

Tony Dungee would disagree with you.. Wade just isn't a good coach..I don't think it has to do with being hard on them or not. It's just coaching.

 

[rcaldw]

Seifert won in 89 & 94......

Thank you, I missed the 89 victory. Btw, like I said, I didn't really know his style, I know he was quiet, but did he run an undisciplined team?

 

[superpunk]

What they need is focus and enthusiasm from the leadership positions.

Instead of focusing on whether Bill got it done here, and whether that's evidence of hardass coaching working with this team, this is what needs focused on.

For the past six years they've been coached by old men who either don't have that energy anymore or are just jee-golly happy to be here and happy to be alive.

Exactly right. We need focus, determination, and enthusiasm from the head coach. I've watched that Jimmy clip about 7 times now, and we need to find someone who is willing to do THAT.

 

[Boysboy]

And Burma, I'm not even saying that the coach has to be a screamer. I don't think Tom Landry was a screamer. I don't care if you speak softly, or speak loudly, YOU HAVE TO CARRY A BIG STICK. And until there is accountability here, and as long as the head coach acts like he is helpless, we won't see this team fulfill its potential.

Say what you want to about Wade-OK, he's 0-4 in the playoffs, I'll give you that, however...

His Dec record in Buffalo actually has been very, very good. In '98, his only loss was to the AFC East champs NY Jets. In '99, he only lost one game in this month as well.

Overall, his Bills teams finished strongly the last 2 months of the season.

I'm not a fan of him myself, but to say his teams always have Dec meltdowns is a myth.

 

[Boysboy]

Instead of focusing on whether Bill got it done here, and whether that's evidence of hardass coaching working with this team, this is what needs focused on.

For the past six years they've been coached by old men who either don't have that energy anymore or are just jee-golly happy to be here and happy to be alive.

Exactly right. We need focus, determination, and enthusiasm from the head coach. I've watched that Jimmy clip about 7 times now, and we need to find someone who is willing to do THAT.

If you remember after that Giants game(when Burnett taunted Jacobs that lead to a Giants FG), Wade ripped the team over penalties the next day.

Just saying...

 

[Kangaroo]

Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Dick "I cry like a girl" Vermeil
George "I was just riding on the coattails of Bill Walsh" Seifert

John Gruden (aka Chucky) screams on the sideline all the time the last thing that guy is laid back in fact he gets flagged as to intense sometimes.

Dungy may not scream but he holds his players accountable he has resurrected 2 franchises and how ofen did you see the Bucs or Indy as sloppy under him. When they gave up the big rushing yards before their Superbowl run he came out in the media and said it was not the scheme but the want to of his players on defense. Basicly he called them out in public.

So the only guy that may fit in that category is Vermeil

 

[superpunk]

If you remember after that Giants game(when Burnett taunted Jacobs that lead to a Giants FG), Wade ripped the team over penalties the next day.

Just saying...

I imagine that would go something like Mr. Garrison ripping the team for penalties.

"Penalties are bad...Mmmm-kay? You don't wanna commit penalties....cuz they're bad....Mmmm-kay? Avoid penalties at all costs....cuz they're bad....Mmmmmm-kay?"

Again you miss the point, however. It's not about ripping people apart, it's about that energy, that drive, that enthusiasm. Jimmy had it in spades - it's infectious, it's inspiring. Parcells and Wade - don't have it .

 

[YosemiteSam]

Stop talking about Jimmy's Johnson.

 

[miamicowboy21]

I wonder how people in Miami would feel about jimmy running off at the lip. Jimmy just needs to keep quiet. His teams did very little in Maimi and after the got blasted in Jacksonville he quit and ran off like a coward. jimmy will always be jealous because jerry won his ring without him and he did nothing in miami. Shut up Jimmy.