Jimmy Johnson on Mike and Mike

[TNCowboy]

The coaching staff is a big problem. But, Parcells is an all-time great, and he couldn't get through to these guys.

We blame the owner, because he collected these players (along with Parcells). Say what you want about Jones and his meddling and some of the stupid things he's done, he's built probably the most talented roster in the NFL.

We blame the coaches, and Lord knows I'm not high on this bunch. I think Wade is showing exactly why he's never been a big success as a head coach. But did Wade forget defense? He's always been acknowledged to be a fine DC. He's almost always improved his teams' defensive fortunes whereever he's been. IMO, he lacks the leadership necessary to be a great HC, but is that the real problem with this team, last year, this year, and during the Parcells' years? I don't think so.

The real problem in my opinion lies in some of our players. Those that some on this board and in the media would call "leaders". Look at Greg Ellis. Many of the guys in the front 7 have identified him as the one they look up to. What have we heard from Ellis for the last 3 or so years now? Whining. If this is the example that Spears, Canty, and Ware are looking up to, is it any wonder we see a distinct lack of leadership on the D, or that they're not living up to their potential?

Or consider Roy Williams. He of the infamous, near-illiterate letter to JJT. The guy who goes into a cocoon when criticized and decides to give everyone the silent treatment and come in and work out at 5:30 so he doesn't have to face his teammates. That's the senior member of our secondary? He should be a perennial all-pro, the guy our young defense looks to for leadership, but instead he's a basket case. Don't even get me started about a mediocre talent like Bradie James.

What this D needs most is leadership. And not just at the coaching level. It desparately needs it from the players. Unfortunately, I don't think I've seen that any of our current players have it in them.

 

[TNCowboy]

I wonder how people in Miami would feel about jimmy running off at the lip. Jimmy just needs to keep quiet. His teams did very little in Maimi and after the got blasted in Jacksonville he quit and ran off like a coward. jimmy will always be jealous because jerry won his ring without him and he did nothing in miami. Shut up Jimmy.

:laugh2: Jerry "won a ring" - all of them, in fact - because of Jimmy Johnson. The organization fell apart after Jimmy left and won in '95 on Johnson's fumes.

 

[Boysboy]

You Parcells-apologists make me laugh. First you say how he's a great coach and that Jerry should have kept him.

Then when we point out how we underachieved badly under him, you same guys start making excuse after excuse for him-"Oh, he was too old and didn't have the same energy", blah, blah, blah.

BTW-he succeeded largely with the NYJ b/c he took over a team that happened to have alot of very good players.

 

[onetrickpony]

time to man up jerry and invest in a real coach like you do in players.

Yeah, we were so successful under Parcells....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have believed for a very, very long time that the perfect coach for this team is in Jacksonville. However, it matters not. Garrett will be the next HC and Wade is not finished here. Wade is not a bad coach. He needs to get Special Teams under control Garrett needs to get Romo in a situation where he's not trying to do too much. If those things can happen, we can win a championship IMO.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I imagine that would go something like Mr. Garrison ripping the team for penalties.

"Penalties are bad...Mmmm-kay? You don't wanna commit penalties....cuz they're bad....Mmmm-kay? Avoid penalties at all costs....cuz they're bad....Mmmmmm-kay?"

Again you miss the point, however. It's not about ripping people apart, it's about that energy, that drive, that enthusiasm. Jimmy had it in spades - it's infectious, it's inspiring. Parcells and Wade - don't have it .

Okay, point made. Now what guys out there do have that fire.

Cowher? Fisher? I'm curious because the market for great coaches with fire and capacity to psychologically boost your teams performance are few and far between. Considering Red Jesus as you call him, is the heir apparent we're doomed for 10 more years of Mr. Garrisons.

 

[rcaldw]

You Parcells-apologists make me laugh. First you say how he's a great coach and that Jerry should have kept him.

Then when we point out how we underachieved badly under him, you same guys start making excuse after excuse for him-"Oh, he was too old and didn't have the same energy", blah, blah, blah.

BTW-he succeeded largely with the NYJ b/c he took over a team that happened to have alot of very good players.

I think you are missing the point. I don't read anyone on here wanting Parcells back. I think what they are pointing out is that the version of Parcells we had wasn't exactly the Parcells of the past. Fans weren't the only ones who recognized this, so did the sports writers. The POINT didn't have anything to do with Parcells, it was WADE APOLOGISTS who brought Parcells up. People tried to use Parcell's lack of playoff wins here as a defense for Wade's "style".

Those who contend that we need a coach who commands respect and doles out discipline only mention Parcell's lack of drive in his days with Dallas to show that you can't use his "failures" here to get Wade off the hook.

The time proven method for winning SUPER BOWLS is that you need someone at the helm who has the drive, energy and discipline to lead people where they would not go without the proper motivation, organization and accountability.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

When the team was doing well last year, Wade was the ideal coach because he was a players coach who was the antithesis to Bill Parcells. The Cowboys were successful because they were less constrained and the offense was allowed to open up. Jerry Jones was called a genius.

Now the team isn't faring well and now Wade is being held responsible because "he is just too nice of a guy"

Give me a break, Wade got too much credit in both situations. This isn't Wade's fault by any means. The truth is our talent is hyped. We are a very good team that is as capable as many of the best teams in the NFL. But the media acts like it's a foregone conclusion that we have the most talent and that a Superbowl should be ours. The truth is there is a lot of parity in the league and it's difficult for any team to dominate. Look at the Giants, they got owned by the Browns and I wasn't really that suprised. This is just a tough league right now. There are just a lot of talented teams. The NFC East is solid right now so Dallas is going to lose some games this season.

 

[Holloway805]

Yea, I know, it all means nothing, it always means nothing, and meanwhile we continue to have a coach who has NEVER won a playoff game. We continue to have a team, that was picked by most to win it all this year, underachieve in notable fashion. Yea, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, all the way to another wasted year if something doesn't change.

Listen, I don't know what the answer is either. And changing head coaches in the middle of a 4-2 season probably ISN'T the answer. I just know I get sick and tired of watching him raise his hands on the sidelines as if he is absolutely helpless, and I get sick and tired of watching us play sloppy football.

I would be proud to have posted this. GREAT JOB

 

[rcaldw]

Okay, point made. Now what guys out there do have that fire.

Cowher? Fisher? I'm curious because the market for great coaches with fire and capacity to psychologically boost your teams performance are few and far between. Considering Red Jesus as you call him, is the heir apparent we're doomed for 10 more years of Mr. Garrisons.

Going for six, do we really know that? There is no way that Garrett can be the lead horse when he doesn't have the title or the authority. Like I said earlier, Landry wasn't a screamer but listen to his past players, they were intimidated by him.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Going for six, do we really know that? There is no way that Garrett can be the lead horse when he doesn't have the title or the authority. Like I said earlier, Landry wasn't a screamer but listen to his past players, they were intimidated by him.

Who is going to work for Jerry Jones? None of the guys that fit that description.

 

[Boysboy]

I think you are missing the point. I don't read anyone on here wanting Parcells back. I think what they are pointing out is that the version of Parcells we had wasn't exactly the Parcells of the past. Fans weren't the only ones who recognized this, so did the sports writers. The POINT didn't have anything to do with Parcells, it was WADE APOLOGISTS who brought Parcells up. People tried to use Parcell's lack of playoff wins here as a defense for Wade's "style".

Those who contend that we need a coach who commands respect and doles out discipline only mention Parcell's lack of drive in his days with Dallas to show that you can't use his "failures" here to get Wade off the hook.

The time proven method for winning SUPER BOWLS is that you need someone at the helm who has the drive, energy and discipline to lead people where they would not go without the proper motivation, organization and accountability.

1) I'm not a Wade-apologist, and neither are the ones who brought Parcells up. Their pt, along with mine, is that regardless of the calibre of coach we have, everything will be the same b/c of the mentality of the players.

2) Again-let's not give excuses for Parcells "not being the same Parcells version".

 

[Disturbed]

....The real problem in my opinion lies in some of our players. Those that some on this board and in the media would call "leaders". Look at Greg Ellis. Many of the guys in the front 7 have identified him as the one they look up to. What have we heard from Ellis for the last 3 or so years now? Whining. If this is the example that Spears, Canty, and Ware are looking up to, is it any wonder we see a distinct lack of leadership on the D, or that they're not living up to their potential?

Or consider Roy Williams. He of the infamous, near-illiterate letter to JJT. The guy who goes into a cocoon when criticized and decides to give everyone the silent treatment and come in and work out at 5:30 so he doesn't have to face his teammates. That's the senior member of our secondary? He should be a perennial all-pro, the guy our young defense looks to for leadership, but instead he's a basket case. Don't even get me started about a mediocre talent like Bradie James.

What this D needs most is leadership. And not just at the coaching level. It desparately needs it from the players. Unfortunately, I don't think I've seen that any of our current players have it in them.

I agree.

I think this team would be better off without these vets...less is more. Talent level might be a little lower but the team would be better due to chemistry and "new" leadership. They should be looking to Zach Thomas as a leader.

 

[superpunk]

Okay, point made. Now what guys out there do have that fire.

Cowher? Fisher? I'm curious because the market for great coaches with fire and capacity to psychologically boost your teams performance are few and far between. Considering Red Jesus as you call him, is the heir apparent we're doomed for 10 more years of Mr. Garrisons.

I don't have the answer.

But - while I disagree with what Garrett does on offense ALOT, I can see how he might be that sort of head coach. The only difficulty is whether or not Garrett can reach the entire team. You don't need to be cerebral to be a head coach - you need to be a great motivator.

That's what I am interested in. There's a reason they're so tough to find.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

1) I'm not a Wade-apologist, and neither are the ones who brought Parcells up. Their pt, along with mine, is that regardless of the calibre of coach we have, everything will be the same b/c of the mentality of the players.

2) Again-let's not give excuses for Parcells "not being the same Parcells version".

Honestly, Parcells didn't win here because he didn't have Bill Bellichek. It's that simple. All the teams he was successful with, Bellichek was at his side. People tried to say Bellichek was overrated and that he had great assistants. Well last year, the Patriots went to the Superbowl without Weis and Crennel. Even without Brady and a loss of significant talent, the Patriots are 3-2 and still competitive. And neither former assistant (Weis or Crennel) has really been succesful on their own. Parcells proved he was a great coach but that he wasn't the same dominant coach without Bill Bellichek. The Parcells apologists are still in denial about this. And many non-Parcells apologists don't want to admit this because Bellichek is such a despicable person but if you are objective enough and can look past the personalities, you will see this is true.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I don't have the answer.

But - while I disagree with what Garrett does on offense ALOT, I can see how he might be that sort of head coach. The only difficulty is whether or not Garrett can reach the entire team. You don't need to be cerebral to be a head coach - you need to be a great motivator.

That's what I am interested in. There's a reason they're so tough to find.

Word.

How many screens did we run against that agressive Cards front?

He kept dialing up deep route combos when Romo could barely have enough time to get to his first read.

That Princeton education doesn't compensate for a lack of experience, and variety in play calling.

Look at what the Dolphins are doing with a bunch of our castoffs, getting creative and playing emotional football. The guy everyone was ready to get rid of might have been the best guy for the job.

 

[superpunk]

Word.

How many screens did we run against that agressive Cards front?

He kept dialing up deep route combos when Romo could barely have enough time to get to his first read.

That Princeton education doesn't compensate for a lack of experience, and variety in play calling.

Look at what the Dolphins are doing with a bunch of our castoffs, getting creative and playing emotional football. The guy everyone was ready to get rid of might have been the best guy for the job.

I had alot of posts on here when Parcells quit suggesting we give the head coaching job to Sparano. Now there's a guy who is intense and has his guys plaiying above their talent level.

 

[Mash]

And Bill Parcells team wasnt sloppy?

The players have to be more accountable.......they are paid millions and if they continue to false start....then what is a coach suppose to do?

Bill yelled....it didnt work

Wade is making the players accountable....and its not working....

What to do.....make cuts?? Can really afford to cut Adams and or Columbo...or Davis?

 

[Apollo Creed]

And Bill Parcells team wasnt sloppy?

The players have to be more accountable.......they are paid millions and if they continue to false start....then what is a coach suppose to do?

Bill yelled....it didnt work

Wade is making the players accountable....and its not working....

What to do.....make cuts?? Can really afford to cut Adams and or Columbo...or Davis?

Davis and Columbo are fine. Adams has been a notoriously lazy player, stayed in BPs dog house. Could've been one of the best LTs to play the game, now he just looks like hes going through the motions.

Since we're discussing o-line Gurode is/looks/plays like a ******, and Proctor is very very piss poor. That big ole o-line looks like it may be our achilles heel down the stretch.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Word.

How many screens did we run against that agressive Cards front?

He kept dialing up deep route combos when Romo could barely have enough time to get to his first read.

That Princeton education doesn't compensate for a lack of experience, and variety in play calling.

Look at what the Dolphins are doing with a bunch of our castoffs, getting creative and playing emotional football. The guy everyone was ready to get rid of might have been the best guy for the job.

Motivator translates to Big Talker. Sorry but motivation is meaningless if you lack talent, discipline and proper fundamentals. The Cardinals hired a motivator coach in Dennis Green and he gives great speeches but it meant nothing because that team lacked discipline and fundamentals in addition to talent and depth. No speech is going to compensate for discipline, talent and fundamentals.

Wade Phillips is not the problem. Cowboys fans have bought into the media's overhyping us and calling us the most talented team in the league when it isn't the truth. I don't know who the best team is but I don't understand how you can clearly say it's us. We have a lot of problems on this team. Until now, we had issues at WR. We have huge problems in the secondary. We don't have a balanced every down running back we can rely on. Barber is a bruiser but lacks speed to truly carry the RB and is only reall good around goalline situations with some exceptions of course. Felix Jones shows promise but he is a rookie and lacks experience. I'm not bashing the Cowboys but for crying outloud the media acts like this team is loaded as if we were the Cowboys from 1992 and that we are just underachieving. Sorry but that's not really the case. The truth is the league is more competitive and we are not as good as the hype.