Jimmy Johnson Says Terrell Owens Is No Longer a Great Player

[NextGenBoys]

That's the thing. The ENTIRE offense trended downwards, even ultra-security blanket Jason Witten. The entire offense slumped, not just one player.

Saying one player is responsible or was worse than most is ridiculous.

I'm not saying that at all. Simply stating the one game that TO was not the primary gameplan, he had a field day.

Just stating I think that he's still got it.

 

[THUMPER]

“You’ve got to look and you’ve got to weigh what he contributes to the team,” said Johnson, now an NFL pregame analyst for New Corp.’s Fox network. ‘Without question, if you have Terrell Owens on your team, it keeps your team in the headlines, but I don’t know that he’s a great player right now.”

That right there is why Jerry brought him in! Keeping the Cowboys always in the news is Jerry's chief concern.
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[goshan]

Having the "help up top" is meaningless if the corner cannot hold Owens up. Springs and Rod Hood had no issues with it schematically and Owens was not a factor. The only time is as you describe is when they play zero coverage, which is the cornerbacks left alone in man press coverage. Owens never has been an expert at beating the press and can be negated if he is running deep routes against it. That is one reason why he was complaining about the scheme to begin with. There were too many deep routes (sideline especially) that took too long to develop. If he did not beat the press, he was frustrated for games at a time.

He simply is not quick enough and sharp enough on his routes to get under the closing safety any more. If he is allowed to build up a head of steam, his speed is deep speed. He is not sudden. Nor does he come off the line with as much explosion as he once did.

He's going to "win battles" when there is no battle. Clements played off of him and he ate that coverage up all day long. He did the same thing when Johnson had Lito Sheppard play zero coverage on him.

Smart man here.

 

[Doomsday101]

Having the "help up top" is meaningless if the corner cannot hold Owens up. Springs and Rod Hood had no issues with it schematically and Owens was not a factor. The only time is as you describe is when they play zero coverage, which is the cornerbacks left alone in man press coverage. Owens never has been an expert at beating the press and can be negated if he is running deep routes against it. That is one reason why he was complaining about the scheme to begin with. There were too many deep routes (sideline especially) that took too long to develop. If he did not beat the press, he was frustrated for games at a time.

He simply is not quick enough and sharp enough on his routes to get under the closing safety any more. If he is allowed to build up a head of steam, his speed is deep speed. He is not sudden. Nor does he come off the line with as much explosion as he once did.

He's going to "win battles" when there is no battle. Clements played off of him and he ate that coverage up all day long. He did the same thing when Johnson had Lito Sheppard play zero coverage on him.

And what I have seen is CB getting physical with help over the top they are using 2 men to take out TO he can get off the bump but as soon as he does the safety is right there with the CB staying under. Is he the player he once was no but he has enough talent that if you do not get help he will put up big numbers, avg players don't do that

 

[Idgit]

Having the "help up top" is meaningless if the corner cannot hold Owens up. Springs and Rod Hood had no issues with it schematically and Owens was not a factor. The only time is as you describe is when they play zero coverage, which is the cornerbacks left alone in man press coverage. Owens never has been an expert at beating the press and can be negated if he is running deep routes against it. That is one reason why he was complaining about the scheme to begin with. There were too many deep routes (sideline especially) that took too long to develop. If he did not beat the press, he was frustrated for games at a time.

He simply is not quick enough and sharp enough on his routes to get under the closing safety any more. If he is allowed to build up a head of steam, his speed is deep speed. He is not sudden. Nor does he come off the line with as much explosion as he once did.

He's going to "win battles" when there is no battle. Clements played off of him and he ate that coverage up all day long. He did the same thing when Johnson had Lito Sheppard play zero coverage on him.

Clements wasn't playing off. He was generally playing tight man coverage, but he didn't have help and SF paid dearly for it.

You're right about TO getting off jams, and about his routes, but if you jam him and miss, and if he can catch the ball, then you pay for it still. If you jam him and give deep help, you could take him out of the game this season.

 

[joseephuss]

In addition to safety help I often saw linebackers dropping into underneath coverage on TO. If TO beat the jam and made a quick move inside he was still not open because the linebacker would be in the passing lane. It could be looked at as triple coverage at times.

With the safety over the top it was not always a matter of TO getting off the jam at the line of scrimmage or not. that safety means the QB is going to look toward another receiver who has single coverage instead of forcing it to TO who is doubled. I am sure Shawn Springs, who is a good corner was told to be physical and not worry about getting beat because you will have help. That makes the job easier.

TO is not in his prime, so it is reasonable to say he is not a great player. He is still very good. I doubt Jimmy Johnson would have ever cut Michael Irvin when Irvin was late in his career. The difference is some people, possibly even the people that matter(Jerry, Wade, Jason...) that may think TO is too much of a headache to deal with and for Dallas to be successful. If you don't think you can win with TO, then you have to move on. It wouldn't matter if he was all world if you don't think he can help you win games.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What does Jimma Johnson know???!!!

Actually, he knows a lot. I do respect his opinion.

If only he'd come back, because more than player talent, we need a HC who knows about football and how to handle players.

 

[MONT17]

Jerry Jones must love this!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Jimmy Johnson hasnt said ANYTHING of value since he spoke after winning the 2nd SB trophy in Dallas.


I love the guy... but he is a phony with some things.

He knows and we know that he would send TO out there like a man on a mission. "Just go out there and score TD's TO"


Jimmy has part of the sensational media world FAR TOO LONG to believe what he says if he were coach now or what he would do. To far removed.

 

[BAT]

Double coverage (help over the top) is "meaningless"? You cannot be saying that with a straight face.

Once Romo sees that coverage then he will automatically be looking for the mis-matches in single coverage. Throwing this pass quicker before any help rolls back. Finding and beating the one-on-one mismatches does not allow Owens to free himself from the jam and then get into the seam (or beat the over the top help) b/c that would require Romo to hold the ball much much longer. The best way to beat this double coverage is for Romo to exploit the one-on-one mismatches forcing the opposing D to spread the coverage more evenly.

How is that "meaningless"?

Having the "help up top" is meaningless if the corner cannot hold Owens up. Springs and Rod Hood had no issues with it schematically and Owens was not a factor. The only time is as you describe is when they play zero coverage, which is the cornerbacks left alone in man press coverage. Owens never has been an expert at beating the press and can be negated if he is running deep routes against it. That is one reason why he was complaining about the scheme to begin with. There were too many deep routes (sideline especially) that took too long to develop. If he did not beat the press, he was frustrated for games at a time.

He simply is not quick enough and sharp enough on his routes to get under the closing safety any more. If he is allowed to build up a head of steam, his speed is deep speed. He is not sudden. Nor does he come off the line with as much explosion as he once did.

He's going to "win battles" when there is no battle. Clements played off of him and he ate that coverage up all day long. He did the same thing when Johnson had Lito Sheppard play zero coverage on him.

 

[Hostile]

Who is the best receiver on this team?

Here endeth the lesson.

Jason Witten.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Jason Witten.

He is a TE.

 

[wileedog]

The one game that they didnt gameplan specifically for TO with bump and run and safety help he went off for over 200 yards.

And they games they did gameplan for him he was largely stifled this year.

So, all of this fuss is for a $9M, loudmouthed decoy?

 

[jobberone]

If the problem is he isn't quick enough and doesn't get separation then we should trade him for Danny Amendola.



JK.

 

[Rampage]

I'm not saying that at all. Simply stating the one game that TO was not the primary gameplan, he had a field day.

Just stating I think that he's still got it.

:laugh2: he is the primary gameplan every week. the one week a stupid HC in Singletary went against the blueprint on how to stop Owens he went off.

Also I'm so sick of hearing this safety over the top crap. do you people think he's the only wr in this game that gets defended like that?

 

[YosemiteSam]

So Jimmy Johnson has pretty much implied that he would take a locker-room cancer, if he was a 'great' player....

Ever heard of Charles Haley?

 

[TNCowboy]

It's not a matter of one guy proving somebody wrong, it's a principle.

Parcell's principle was "I'm too old to deal with jerks." He didn't want TO here, and I don't think it's a coincidence that one year with TO and he was gone. Doesn't mean that some "jerks" couldn't help his team, but his principle was that - as a whole - they'll do more harm than good, so we won't have any "jerks" in here.

Jimmy Johnson's principle was that he didn't care what sort of loser you were off the field, he'd take you as long as you would bust your tail on the practice field. Guys like Michael Irvin lived lawless lifestyles away from the game, but no one outworked Irvin on the practice field. Whatever you had going on away from the game, Jimmy tolerated it as long as you didn't bring it in the lockerroom with you.

 

[tyke1doe]

Next year is going to be hilarious. If T.O. does well and the team does well, none of the people talking mess now will say jack.

We'll just be a winning team that was able to overcome a loud-mouth receiver past his prime.

Why is this an either/or situation?

I hope I'm wrong and that if T.O. stays on the team, the team can overcome him if and when he starts to mouth off.

But winning a Super Bowl won't negate anything we've said about T.O. anymore than winning a Super Bowl made Charles Haley less of a pervert.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes, he has admitted that in the past. Someone once asked him about Lawrence Tayor sleeping in NYG meetings. Johnson said that if it were a backup player, he would cut him. If it was Emmitt Smith, he would ask Emmitt if he needed a pillow or anything else to make him more comfortable.

The Jimster was a character in his own right.

 

[dadymat]

Jason Witten.

so true............