Joe Biddle... "Jerry Jones would love to have Jeff fisher"

[LittleBoyBlue]

Dude don't even talk about dreaming about something like that. If there was some way to get the Hoodie from New England I'd be stoked. I know people hate him and all that, and he's got no class and all that stuff, but I frankly don't care. Winning is the name of the game and he does a darn good job with that.

The product that he puts on the field is usually a high quality one. Now, I would be remiss if I didnt mention the cheating. Since caught he has LOST SB. STILL I would take him. Maybe Cowher if I was still pulling from recycle bin. Although I dont consider Belichick recycle bin.

 

[Bach]

Maybe Cowher if I was still pulling from recycle bin. Although I dont consider Belichick recycle bin.

I've seen a few references recently to the "recycle bin" and many being opposed to that.

I don't have a problem with hiring a guy who has NFL HC experience. Being a "recylcled" coach isn't the problem. Being a non-winner is where I draw the line.

Parcells had several previous HC jobs but I consider him the best HC we've had since Jimmy, although Jerry did set the bar rather low with the others after Jimmy left. The only caveat is that age does becomes a factor at a certain point. Still, just about any organization would've considered BP a quality hire.

On the other hand, someone like Wade, who had also had several stints as HC, had never won a playoff game as a HC and had been mediocre to slightly above mediocre in most of his HC career. He is a prime example of a "recycled" coach we should stay away from. But again, it's not the recycled aspect that's the problem, but rather the lack of previous success.

One big issue in order to be successful is that HC should be in control of the team on the field. Obviously the GM with the input from scouts makes the majority of personnel decisons. But after that, the coach should have full control of his staff and be the one the buck stops with once the players are on the roster.

With Jerry, there's a better chance of the HC having more authority given him if he's someone who has a strong personality and already been successful, rather than a younger HC or someone without as much experience. No doubt I'd love to get a great young HC in here, but with our current situation, he'd be more prone to get overshadowed and inevitably undermined by our overzealous and ego-driven owner/GM.

 

[DallasEast]

I've seen a few references recently to the "recycle bin" and many being opposed to that.

I don't have a problem with hiring a guy who has NFL HC experience. Being a "recylcled" coach isn't the problem. Being a non-winner is where I draw the line.

Parcells had several previous HC jobs but I consider him the best HC we've had since Jimmy, although Jerry did set the bar rather low with the others after Jimmy left. The only caveat is that age does becomes a factor at a certain point. Still, just about any organization would've considered BP a quality hire.

On the other hand, someone like Wade, who had also had several stints as HC, had never won a playoff game as a HC and had been mediocre to slightly above mediocre in most of his HC career. He is a prime example of a "recycled" coach we should stay away from. But again, it's not the recycled aspect that's the problem, but rather the lack of previous success.

One big issue in order to be successful is that HC should be in control of the team on the field. Obviously the GM with the input from scouts makes the majority of personnel decisons. But after that, the coach should have full control of his staff and be the one the buck stops with once the players are on the roster.

With Jerry, there's a better chance of the HC having more authority given him if he's someone who has a strong personality and already been successful, rather than a younger HC or someone without as much experience. No doubt I'd love to get a great young HC in here, but with our current situation, he'd be more prone to get overshadowed and inevitably undermined by our overzealous and ego-driven owner/GM.

Are there any candidates out there which would meet your expectations?

 

[BAT]

NO

I don't think he has ever been on a winning team except this year

Clearly you know jack **** then.


Gregg Williams was Fisher's DC when they had the back to back 13-3 seasons and lost in the SB (that D also ranks 3rd in NFL history for least points given up_191). Williams had the Skins D ranked in the top 10 in 3 of the 4 seasons he was their DC.

 

[Hostile]

I am not sure what your point is. I never said EVERY coach was from the recycle bin. Its just that all the talk is of recycled coaches. I WANT GARRETT.


You just dont like when a few agree with me

Why is Fisher so great? I could EASILY see a Josh McDaniels-type going in there and making the Vince Young QB experiment work OR getting a 2nd stringer like Orton to work in their system.

Fisher is SOOO GREAT. I dont know why... but I would love to learn why....

I don't? News to me.

I believe I am firmly on the record as wanting Garrett. Look it up.

 

[BAT]

Regarding Fisher losing 6 straight. There's a guy in new England who lost 6 in a row in 1995 and was fired by the Browns. There's a statue of a guy at the new Stadium who lost quite a few in 1988 too. The guy who replaced him lost even more the following year.

It's foolish to take your eyes off the fact Jeff Fisher is a fine football coach just because his team is bad in 2009.

Their is a big difference in comparing 3 HOF coaches at the BEGINNING of their careers and a good coach at the END of his.

Plus neither of those coaches had teams w/the talent and expectations of Fisher's 2009 Titans. Fisher was expected to be in the SB after going 13-3 in 2008. None of those coaches had their teams fail (quit even) in such stark fashion during the peak of their careers. I would rather identify an up and coming coach w/similar traits (disciplined, aggressive, fiery) than a coach on his downside.

Fisher looks worn out on the sidelines/podium and his team is playing like it on the field too, does a mentally weak Cowboys' team need a coach like that?

 

[BAT]

Where in his sentence, that you quoted, did he make the claim that Fisher was great? I don't recall seeing that word in there at all.

Perhaps if you paid attention to the multitude of posts littered throughout this thread and a few that I was dialoging with previous to my response you would have seen the descriptive 'great' tossed around like snowballs on a winter playground.

He coaches a team with a very tight fisted owner. They seriously never get any talent there except the ones that are home grown so that hamstrings him a bit.

They lost their D-Line anchor (Though I still contend that he was only such because he was in a contract season the last two years and busted his butt for that reason and that reason alone), his top 2 corners are out and thats made their secondary, one of the best last year, into one of the worst this year. He has no QB, at all. Collins got the last of his ability on display last year. Now he's finished. VY is still just garbage. Though Fisher was part of the team that drafted him so you do have to put that on him to be fair.

They have no recievers there worth anything, outside of Kenny Britt who they just drafted this year so they can't get a passing game going. Lendall White doesn't appear to be the same this year now that he's lost all that weight to try and have a contract season.

There are tons of factors working against him for just why that team is so horrible. He shoulders part of the blame, for certain as he's the HC, but he's not the total problem and he's still a very good HC. I'd take him here over quite a few of the other options.

Wow, that is a lot of excuses for his failures. So let me get this straight, Fisher cannot be wholly blamed for this disaster of a season because:

1) Owner
2) Loss of Def Coordinator
3) Loss of Key Player
4) Injuries
5) Underachieving QB
6) No legit WRs

Interesting how you can make these excuses for Fisher, but Wade Phillips goes thru practically the SAME thing (coming off a 13-3 season and SB expectations) but is considered a clueless buffoon.

Bud Adams may be the anti-Jerry Jones, but he's been extremely supportive of Fisher. I only recall one season that Fisher's tenure as HC was in jeopardy, I think it was his 4 win season a couple of years back. And Wade loses his DC but is expected to improve, while it is considered a legit excuse for Fisher??? Fisher is supposed to be a D minded coach, why can't he be the DC for his underachieving defense??? Wade has lost just as many players as Fisher has but did not go O'FER in any year he's been in Dallas. Collins was actually lauded last season for his game management ability (mistake free) while Romo was harangued (still). Wade has as many question marks about his WR corps as Fisher did at the beginning of this season. Fisher's Titans have never placed a priority in the position anyway. And Wade actually put up a WINNING season (9-7) after going 13-3, even though many considered it an abyssmal failure.

Fisher > Wade, Garrett, Shannahan (More so because Shannahan would require a complete over haul of our O-Line which we've spent too much money on to do that), Gruden

Fisher may be a better HC than Wade, but he is not THIS year. In fact, I would take Wade's record in the last 3 seasons over Fishers.

 

[Cowboys2008]

I just don't know. In years past he's been someone I've coveted for this team to have, but this winless season so far..

I'm sticking with Gruden as my top candidate. Though I think that truly depends on Garretts success this year. IMO it's his job if he does well enough to justify it. Though someone like Gruden if Garrett fails, I could totally see that. He's young and he's got fire. Plus I think he could handle the limelight the Cowboys would bring to him. Which is something that really shell shocks some coaches. Also something I'm not proven on as far as Garrett goes. Is he handling the spotlight well? Make him coach, magnify that a 100x, and then?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don't? News to me.

I believe I am firmly on the record as wanting Garrett. Look it up.

Just messing with you, Hos.
I know you want Garrett, as do I.

 

[Bach]

Are there any candidates out there which would meet your expectations?

I've already mentioned I would welcome someone like Cowher, Holmgren, Fisher, and maybe Gruden.

 

[superpunk]

Imagine for a second that Wade was 0-6 on the year, and he just attended a charity event WEARING A ****ING Commanders JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Fisher is a good coach, a great coach even - but seeing what he's doing this year I no longer have any desire for him to ever be the coach of the Cowboys.

 

[zrinkill]

I've already mentioned I would welcome someone like Cowher, Holmgren, Fisher, and maybe Gruden.

And the minute they were hired they would be "puppets and over the hill jokes" ....

Just like you said about Parcells till he was gone.