Joe Milton "Not a Good Dude" According to Patriots Insider?

[Bullflop]

If there's one thing that's likely to cause dissention on a team, it's a so-called "QB controversy." NFL executives avoid it like a plague and will find a convenient excuse to justify their preference.

That seems to me to be a convenient reason to label Joe Milton "not a good dude," even if it just amounted to not affording him the opportunity to compete with Maye on a competitive basis.

Anyway, it appears if the Pats version of the facts were legitimate or not, it simply wasn't open for speculation. Perhaps it was viewed as something to be avoided at all costs. Hence, Joe's exit.

 

[FanofJerry]

I’ll give it a shot because I don’t want you to be ghosted.

I don’t think a fear of competition is the league sentiment today. It’s not real competition anyway as the backup isn’t going to get much run time outside of meaningless games or injury. And it’s not about a fear the starter will “second guess” himself…that’s Internet forum talk.

It’s about establishing and solidifying the most complex and critical position on the field and backing them up with someone who knows their role and can capably drive the bus if called upon.

If backup QB’s is willing to swallow their pride and pay their dues, starting opportunities may come naturally. But if/when ambitions start to influence team dynamics at the most important position and potentially create locker room issues or impact your primary QB’s influence, that’s a big problem.

If you want an idea of the potential issues that can result, watch the documentary “Favre v. Rogers”. That rivalry started as soon as Rogers arrived, caused all kinds locker room and public issues, and continued to be an issue after Favre left. In that case it worked out in the long run but it is also the exception rather than the norm.

I’m all for competition but people are naive if they think it is an open QB competition every spring for the vast majority of NFL teams. And outside of a few teams who are still searching, QB positions are written in ink for multiple years and no backup competition is going to threaten that.

Just my opinion.

You don't believe in the psychology of taking pressure off the
QB, in hopes it makes his performance better.


If I'm not mistaken, the Favre vs Roger's spat was based on Favre not wanting to help a younger QB take his position.

Or am I confusing a parallel issue?

Either Favre or Roger's refused to help their second string QB based on the excuse of " why would I help someone take my job"

Sounds like your post refers to Roger's being the issue, since he, to this day applies pressure on organizations to get what he wants.

I think a qb controversy, on a team like Dallas, is a bad managerial mistake. The media will feed off it.


Just like I agree with dallas' refusal to take a qb high in draft, I agree with preventing a qb controversy

What are you doing, in any organization, if every employee is refusing to train underlings properly based on their belief of "why help others take my job"?

 

[FanofJerry]

I’ll give it a shot because I don’t want you to be ghosted.

I don’t think a fear of competition is the league sentiment today. It’s not real competition anyway as the backup isn’t going to get much run time outside of meaningless games or injury. And it’s not about a fear the starter will “second guess” himself…that’s Internet forum talk.

It’s about establishing and solidifying the most complex and critical position on the field and backing them up with someone who knows their role and can capably drive the bus if called upon.

If backup QB’s is willing to swallow their pride and pay their dues, starting opportunities may come naturally. But if/when ambitions start to influence team dynamics at the most important position and potentially create locker room issues or impact your primary QB’s influence, that’s a big problem.

If you want an idea of the potential issues that can result, watch the documentary “Favre v. Rogers”. That rivalry started as soon as Rogers arrived, caused all kinds locker room and public issues, and continued to be an issue after Favre left. In that case it worked out in the long run but it is also the exception rather than the norm.

I’m all for competition but people are naive if they think it is an open QB competition every spring for the vast majority of NFL teams. And outside of a few teams who are still searching, QB positions are written in ink for multiple years and no backup competition is going to threaten that.

Just my opinion.

I get your post...it makes sense...

Are you suggesting teams not choose backups for comp? Or not choose back ups until a starter reaches a certain age?

Or are you talking about rare instances where a back up could provide comp?

 

[CommonCents]

Interesting tidbit. Truth to the rumors?

"Joe Milton was - and this is a direct quote from somebody in the organization -'not a good dude'", Bedard said to Nick Cattles, "Knowing your role, playing your role; you know, being part of harmonious quarterback room - that was going to be an issue. And it wasn't about Drake Maye, it was just about the [quarterback] room."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/joe-miltons-real-reason-patriots-195905075.html

Nothing burger with nothing sauce and added extra nothing cheese. And yes, I already have a Joe Milton jersey and Im buying another one just for this ***clown article.

 

[Spottswoode]

You don't believe in the psychology of taking pressure off the
QB, in hopes it makes his performance better.


If I'm not mistaken, the Favre vs Roger's spat was based on Favre not wanting to help a younger QB take his position.

Or am I confusing a parallel issue?

Either Favre or Roger's refused to help their second string QB based on the excuse of " why would I help someone take my job"

Sounds like your post refers to Roger's being the issue, since he, to this day applies pressure on organizations to get what he wants.

I think a qb controversy, on a team like Dallas, is a bad managerial mistake. The media will feed off it.


Just like I agree with dallas' refusal to take a qb high in draft, I agree with preventing a qb controversy

I don’t believe the majority of established NFL starters feel pressure from their backups, so there is no pressure that needs to be removed. People love to suggest that Dak is shaking in his boots regarding Milton’s presence but in no world will Milton or a draftee threaten Dak anytime soon outside of injury. I do believe we need to be looking for Dak’s replacement but he has no pressure for several years, regardless of the backup.

As far as Favre and Rogers, you are correct that Favre didn’t want to help Rogers…he said it wasn’t in his contract. Favre was also an *** in general to Rogers. But Rogers also fanned the flames a bit with things like calling him grandpa when they first met. But Favre was the primary instigator, not Rogers. His ego wouldn’t accept the inevitability of Father Time.

 

[Spottswoode]

I get your post...it makes sense...

Are you suggesting teams not choose backups for comp? Or not choose back ups until a starter reaches a certain age?

Or are you talking about rare instances where a back up could provide comp?

Personally I think it depends on the situation and the team’s long-term plans for their starter. Up to now, there was no need to find Dak’s replacement. Jerry wasn’t going to let him go anywhere anyway, so we would just be developing a QB for someone else.

Just looking at our division, I wouldn’t be looking for legitimate competition for any team outside of Dallas. Daniels and Hurts are established and aren’t going to feel pressure and Dart needs someone seasoned to help his development. Even if he doesn’t start year 1, Dart won’t be threatened during his rookie contract.

 

[nobody]

Seems like some managers don't agree with you.

And your looney toon accent makes your point even less digestible.

Just act normal.

There seems to be a consensus amongst actual managers that competition could be bad for a QBs mentality. It's a tough job.

That's fine...You're in the "I don't want a second guessed, they are weak"...doesn't mean you will be successfull...just that you are hard core and want praise for that hard core approach.

There is a saying that a narsasist can't admit guilt because it will kill his confidence.

Confidence seems to be a big deal. And nurturing it seems to be smart.

But...no one can argue with your hard, rigid approach....I just don't think it always wins out.

You do you, I'll do me. Dak's already a mental case and I don't think competition will make him worse. It was his ankle injury that wrecked his mentality and he plays like it against tough defenses. QB is a tough job, but the best QB's thrive in adversity. Look at the Aikman/Walsh competition. We ended up with the better QB who stepped up big time come playoff time. You can't coddle if you expect different results. We coddled QB's since Aikman left and look what it got us. Once a QB's confidence is shot, it's hard to get it back. Personally, I think someone pushing Dak from behind might actually give him the push he needs.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Obviously, someone before your time

Oh. I shall look at spotify.

 

[Chasing6]

I hope he's like that here, too.

He'll get his chance when Dak gets hurt again early on.

Yes, just like Trance did.

 

[Sarge]

I have no issue with anyone competing for Daks job.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I don’t believe the majority of established NFL starters feel pressure from their backups, so there is no pressure that needs to be removed. People love to suggest that Dak is shaking in his boots regarding Milton’s presence but in no world will Milton or a draftee threaten Dak anytime soon outside of injury. I do believe we need to be looking for Dak’s replacement but he has no pressure for several years, regardless of the backup.

Good post! But I do believe they are planting the seed for his replacement within the next 2-3 years. This is why when Stephen talked about DRAFTING Dak's backup, it created questions regarding competition. Remember that you expect your backup to have strong starting traits. You are not getting that from a day-3 rookie QB. That's why we started hearing the Cowboys could take a QB as high as 2nd round.
Milton gives them a sort of lease to own QB for until 2027. That is the year we can expect a decision about Dak's future ( I'm pretty confident we will move on w/o a Super Bowl).

 

[plymkr]

Sounds to me that they expected him to be happy as a backup and he wasn't. I'll take that guy.

This^^^, pretty sure Milton wasn't shy about his confidence to compete for the starting job. and frankly, who can blame him?

I agree with both you guys. I want the guy with the swagger and confidence to believe he can and should be starting. I don’t want a beta male at the QB position regardless if it’s QB1 or QB2. If Dak goes down I want a guy taking the field believing he belongs there and this is his team and he’s going to ball out for us. I like the mind set. I also feel Dak is secure in himself where he won’t get threatened. Like Drake did. I want guys to come in here to compete.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I agree with both you guys. I want the guy with the swagger and confidence to believe he can and should be starting. I don’t want a beta male at the QB position regardless if it’s QB1 or QB2. If Dak goes down I want a guy taking the field believing he belongs there and this is his team and he’s going to ball out for us. I like the mind set. I also feel Dak is secure in himself where he won’t get threatened. Like Drake did. I want guys to come in here to compete.

The thing he has to understand as a backup, every opportunity is a chance to show 31 others how you can help their team. This is why you have to be ready with your A game when the chance comes.

 

[csirl]

Milton wasnt the backup QB in N.E.. He was the 3rd string/emergency QB.

If he was anyway close to being good enough to start, he'd have secured the backup role. Teams arent precious about backup QBs being beaten out by a better player. In fact, it would be nuts to have a talented 3rd stringer behind a mediocre backup.

 

[reddyuta]

trying to be better than you are right now is apparently being uppity in Boston, give me a backup who wants to be a starter anyday than a guy who is happy being a backup.

 

[Whyjerry]

So was Tom Brady

So Brady was an anomaly. Never had the accuracy issues that kept Milton off many radars. Brady was also a starter year 2.

 

[Rayman70]

Reaching for a article to write. Yep, it's the slow time of the football season.