Joe Paterno news surfaces..

[RoyTheHammer]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...erup_says_prosecutor_from_Sandusky_trial.html

Just wanted to throw in a hearty, "I told ya so.."

That is all.

 

[joseephuss]

Keep reaching.

 

[maxdallasfan]

Everyone has an opinion. I guess since the General says so, than it's gotta be true.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Keep reaching.

Reaching for what?

The prosecuting attorney says out of all the evidence presented to him, there is none that would indicate that Paterno knew or participated in a cover up.

Reaching would be hearing something like that and still trying to find a way to convince yourself to implicate him with the other men involved.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Everyone has an opinion. I guess since the General says so, than it's gotta be true.

Opinions really don't matter all that much to me.. facts are much more important when some want to decide to condemn a dead man's legacy.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

To be fair I condemned his legacy before he died.

I appreciate the link and I respect the attorney for saying as much but my issue was never that he tried to cover anything up. I gave the man the benefit of the doubt that he went to his bosses, as he said, and that was the extent of it for Joe.

But there is the problem for me. It should have been quite obvious that the University did NOT do their job with the information and Joe was content with a pedophile basically being slapped on the wrist by the university and chose to not concern himself with it any further.

I don't think he covered anything up I just think he was pretty lousy for doing so little, on his own part, to make sure that freak was stopped long before he was.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

To be fair I condemned his legacy before he died.

I appreciate the link and I respect the attorney for saying as much but my issue was never that he tried to cover anything up. I gave the man the benefit of the doubt that he went to his bosses, as he said, and that was the extent of it for Joe.

But there is the problem for me. It should have been quite obvious that the University did NOT do their job with the information and Joe was content with a pedophile basically being slapped on the wrist by the university and chose to not concern himself with it any further.

I don't think he covered anything up I just think he was pretty lousy for doing so little, on his own part, to make sure that freak was stopped long before he was.

Yea, like Joe himself said.. he most certainly could have, and should have done more to stop it. He should have asked what was being done about it after he reported it. He didn't need all the hypocritical, self rightous "Armchair Jesus's" out there to tell him that.

That was the shocking thing about this entire case, to me.. that so very many people could have helped stop this before it went on as long as it did.

However, going to your superiors with information you've been given about things of this nature and knowingly trying to cover up information like this are two different levels, imo.

 

[JD_KaPow]

To be fair I condemned his legacy before he died.

I appreciate the link and I respect the attorney for saying as much but my issue was never that he tried to cover anything up. I gave the man the benefit of the doubt that he went to his bosses, as he said, and that was the extent of it for Joe.

But there is the problem for me. It should have been quite obvious that the University did NOT do their job with the information and Joe was content with a pedophile basically being slapped on the wrist by the university and chose to not concern himself with it any further.

I don't think he covered anything up I just think he was pretty lousy for doing so little, on his own part, to make sure that freak was stopped long before he was.

This.

He didn't actively do the wrong thing.
He didn't actively do the right thing.
He pretty much did the least he could do.
Judge him accordingly.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Reaching for what?

The prosecuting attorney says out of all the evidence presented to him, there is none that would indicate that Paterno knew or participated in a cover up.

Reaching would be hearing something like that and still trying to find a way to convince yourself to implicate him with the other men involved.

That's not what it says. It says that he did not participate in a cover up but it also says that the prosecutor also believes that Joe Pa could have done more. I have no desire to see Paterno thrown under the bus but all that this kind of post will accomplish is a dog pile on the mans reputation. You are not doing him any good by posting an "I told you so" based on this article. At least, thats how I see it.

 

[jterrell]

Reaching for what?

The prosecuting attorney says out of all the evidence presented to him, there is none that would indicate that Paterno knew or participated in a cover up.

Reaching would be hearing something like that and still trying to find a way to convince yourself to implicate him with the other men involved.

Thats not what he said.
He said he doesn't BELIEVE Paterno participated in the cover up based on evidence.
Evidence that likely had little reason to point to Paterno given his passing and legendary status.
Evidence that would be missing in either case largely because Paterno didn't use email.

“And I don’t see any need to judge him beyond his own words,” Fina said. “He said it best: ‘I didn’t do enough. I should have done more.’ ”

Paterno knew and he didn't really do anything about it. He was a head coach and employed a degenerate predator of the highest order for over a decade.

Guy's dead and his legacy is trashed. It is what it is.

 

[jterrell]

Yea, like Joe himself said.. he most certainly could have, and should have done more to stop it. He should have asked what was being done about it after he reported it. He didn't need all the hypocritical, self rightous "Armchair Jesus's" out there to tell him that.

That was the shocking thing about this entire case, to me.. that so very many people could have helped stop this before it went on as long as it did.

However, going to your superiors with information you've been given about things of this nature and knowingly trying to cover up information like this are two different levels, imo.

You are posting nonsense.
If your company is committing illegal acts and you go to your bosses all you do is dump responsibility on someone else. That's weak.
Allow the stuff to keep happening and you are in fact then part of a criminal conspiracy.

Paterno was a legend and maker of men yet couldn't man up enough to actually take action?
His obligation wasn't just to report this to school administration like he was some helpless lackey.

He should have punched Sanudusky in the mouth, kicked him off campus and called the police.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That's not what it says. It says that he did not participate in a cover up but it also says that the prosecutor also believes that Joe Pa could have done more. .

That is what is says.. and your second sentence here is exactly what i said it says.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He said he doesn't believe Paterno participated in the cover up based on evidence.

“And I don’t see any need to judge him beyond his own words,” Fina said. “He said it best: ‘I didn’t do enough. I should have done more.’ ”

Paterno knew and he didn't really do anything about it.

As for the bold.. exactly, and.. exactly.

As for your last statement.. what exactly do you think Paterno knew? That Sandusky was molesting kids left and right?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That is what is says.. and your second sentence here is exactly what i said it says.

I don't understand your post but long story short, I know that's what the article says. What I am saying is that based on what that article says, I don't believe it proves that Joe Paterno was not guilty or had no responsibility. I think it says that the prosecution had no desire to trample on the mans grave. That's just my opinion of course.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't understand your post but long story short, I know that's what the article says. What I am saying is that based on what that article says, I don't believe it proves that Joe Paterno was not guilty or had no responsibility. I think it says that the prosecution had no desire to trample on the mans grave. That's just my opinion of course.

It says that the prosecuting attorney, after looking through all the evidence of the case, saw none that said Joe was involved in any way in the cover up.

That is what i stated, nothing more.. also agreed with the prosecuting attorney saying he could've done more on a moral level, as Joe himself stated.

ALOT of people could've done more..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It says that the prosecuting attorney, after looking through all the evidence of the case, saw none that said Joe was involved in any way in the cover up.

That is what i stated, nothing more.. also agreed with the prosecuting attorney saying he could've done more on a moral level, as Joe himself stated.

ALOT of people could've done more..

It also says that the prosecutor had no desire to look further.

A LOT of people are not Joe Paterno.

Seriously, what good do you see coming from your post? Do you see a whole bunch of people changing their minds on this or do you see a bunch of people looking at your post, the "I told you so" post and just feeling like all you are doing here is trying to make a personal point?

The article, in my mind, does not really prove much and I am a Paterno fan.

Doesn't matter, it's your post. I guess we'll see if anybody is swayed by it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It also says that the prosecutor had no desire to look further.

A LOT of people are not Joe Paterno.

Seriously, what good do you see coming from your post? Do you see a whole bunch of people changing their minds on this or do you see a bunch of people looking at your post, the "I told you so" post and just feeling like all you are doing here is trying to make a personal point?

The article, in my mind, does not really prove much and I am a Paterno fan.

Doesn't matter, it's your post. I guess we'll see if anybody is swayed by it.

I don't believe it does say that.. even if it does though, where do you think he needs to look?

He was the deputy AG, he's not the one out there looking for evidence, its collected and presented to him. All the evidence gathered on the entire case is at his disposal. He saw all the evidence.. and this is the conclusion he came to.

I really don't care if i "sway" anyone.. i just want people to read what someone who saw all the FACTS had to say about the entire thing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that this situation is best served by the AG not looking further, where Joe Pa is concerned and I think fans of Penn State/Joe Paterno need to let it go.

Time will take care of Joe Paterno and eventually his good deeds will be remembered but that will not happen until people accept this for what it is and stop trying to poke a red hot pointer in the eyes of everybody who sees this as a failing on behalf of Penn State and Joe Paterno. The Die is Cast, let it go.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think that this situation is best served by the AG not looking further, where Joe Pa is concerned and I think fans of Penn State/Joe Paterno need to let it go.

Time will take care of Joe Paterno and eventually his good deeds will be remembered but that will not happen until people accept this for what it is and stop trying to poke a red hot pointer in the eyes of everybody who sees this as a failing on behalf of Penn State and Joe Paterno. The Die is Cast, let it go.

Clearly it is a failing on the part of Penn State.. not nearly as much blame can be laid on Joe from people that care about the facts.

You agree that alot of people could have done more.. but say not alot of people are Joe. That's true.. and Joe is one man, just like everyone else who could have done more but chose not to. It wasn't any harder for any other man or women who knew something about one of Sandusky's acts to come forward and at the very least.. tell someone what they saw. You know, kinda like Joe actually did. Imagine if everyone who knew something about one or more of Sandusky's acts had done the same..

As you said, his life's work of good deeds and charitable donations and helping the young men and women of that university go on to better lives will eventually outweigh this one bad decision he made.

 

[CashMan]

Wouldn't being involved in a cover up and looking the other way be two totally different things?