Joe Staley at #22?

[Bob Sacamano]

Half the O-Linemen in the league also player D-Line at some point in their football careers

thanks, you just helped my argument

the only reason Staley is even being considered raw is because he was a TE up until his Sophomore year

 

[The30YardSlant]

thanks, you just helped my argument

the only reason Staley is even being considered raw is because he was a TE up until his Sophomore year

There's a difference between D-Line and TE, a big one, like one so massive it will probably go over your head

 

[Bob Sacamano]

There's a difference between D-Line and TE, a big one, like one so massive it will probably go over your head

:laugh2: so any Dlineman could switch over to Oline and pick it up? the only thing a Dlineman does that is even remotely incorporated into playing Oline is locking arms w/ the opponent in front of you

both Dline and TE are different animals than OT, one does not make you more prepared to play Oline than the other

 

[burmafrd]

I love it when someone says this player who has yet to play a down in a regular season game "will never be a pro bowler". Anytime some poster throws garbage like that out there its time to put him on ignore. Arrogant in his ignorance- great combination!!

 

[The30YardSlant]

:laugh2: so any Dlineman could switch over to Oline and pick it up? the only thing a Dlineman does that is even remotely incorporated into playing Oline is locking arms w/ the opponent in front of you

both Dline and TE are different animals than OT, one does not make you more prepared to play Oline than the others

First of all, D-Linemen are bigger and stronger than tight ends

Second, being a D-Linemen allows for one to know how to beat O-Linemen, thus giving them a blueprint for how to NOT get beat

The transition from D-Line to O-Line is much easier than the one from TE to O-Line, which usually involves putting on a good deal of weight and learning techniques used in the trenches.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A few things -

1.) People on this Board have got to stop looking at our players with rose colored glasses, between McQuistan and Watkins, I would think that these 2 5th and 7th rd picks are the next Ed Reed (yes i know ed's a SS) and Jonathon Ogden or Walter Jones. I wont even go into Watkins, but as far as McQ goes...I mean yeah, he may end up being a serviceable backup, spot starter maybe. But he will never be a probowl caliber LT. I realize every team cant have a probowl caliber LT, but if you think you can maybe get one, you dont not do it b/c some of the coaches/fans (which cracks me up b/c what do any of us fans really know about how McQ practiced???) think that your 7th rd pick the year earlier is exceeding 7th rd talent expectations.

2.) I will never agree with the carpenter pick, and i wont go into it here. However, I do think that we saw some flashes that he may be ok in this league. Nevertheless, what people on this board or in the media say about any of our draft picks (him/staley/etc.) should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not we take Staley and have him back up for a year. (assuming staley would be inactive like you said is way off, and your rt, if we dont think he can even be active as Flo's backup, then we shouldnt draft him. All we are saying is that he may not start the first year.

3.) "An offensive tackle chosen with the 22nd pick is not a smart move in my opinion." - Well no offense, but I dont have a whole lot of respect for your football opinion b/c you clearly dont understand how important the LT position is. And cocklng your heart is not my concern, building a team that is strong and talented up front through the draft is...and IMHO, Staley would not be a bad choice. Just my opinion.

I'm crushed that you don't respect my opinions on this team... I'm so upset I may sleep all night.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

First of all, D-Linemen are bigger and stronger than tight ends

ok, but Staley is 306

Second, being a D-Linemen allows for one to know how to beat O-Linemen, thus giving them a blueprint for how to NOT get beat

the blueprint is already out there, get underneath the shoulder pads and push them back, and put a spin or swim move on him, all Dlineman know are the basics of playing Oline, you could get that information from a half-hour long conversation w/ a Oline coach, that's if you've watched a down of football

The transition from D-Line to O-Line is much easier than the one from TE to O-Line, which usually involves putting on a good deal of weight and learning techniques used in the trenches.

you still have to pick everything up, and Staley has shown that he has the ability to pick up the OT position

this argument would be more fitting if I was debating whether Jason Witten should play OT or Pat McQuistan, the fact is Staley was very successful as an OT in college

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I love it when someone says this player who has yet to play a down in a regular season game "will never be a pro bowler". Anytime some poster throws garbage like that out there its time to put him on ignore. Arrogant in his ignorance- great combination!!

Wow I'm agreeing with you!

I think the dead are about ready to walk the earth.

What may be worse than looking at our backup players with "rose-colored" glasses is looking at them with "****-colored" glasses assuming they all suck and there is no way on earth that they could turn out to be decent players.

 

[Seven]

Wow I'm agreeing with you!

I think the dead are about ready to walk the earth.

What may be worse than looking at our backup players with "rose-colored" glasses is looking at them with "****-colored" glasses assuming they all suck and there is no way on earth that they could turn out to be decent players.

That right there is gonna throw some folks into a logic induced coma.

 

[Tristan]

Many players have made a successful transition from TE to Tackle, Te's do quite a bit of edge blocking and have quick feet. This usualy happens when a TE grows into a 300 LB guy, at this point the athletiscm of being a TE translates well into a OT.

The transition from D-line is commonly to guard, at least for the mauler types, at the guard position the experience of battling in the trenches pays off.

As for Mcquistan, I think the biggest reason to have hopes is simply that his brother (identical twin) is already starting and playing well for the raiders. His brother was a high pick and more experinced and more well known.

Those in the know have stated that they both have the same physical abilities, which are substantial. The college coaches stated that he was essentially a year behind his brother in terms of developement, but had the same attributes and ultimate potential.

Would I pass on a talented left tackle because of McQ, no way. Cover your bases, if they both turn out to be studs, well thats a good dillema.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Many players have made a successful transition from TE to Tackle, Te's do quite a bit of edge blocking and have quick feet. This usualy happens when a TE grows into a 300 LB guy, at this point the athletiscm of being a TE translates well into a OT.

The transition from D-line is commonly to guard, at least for the mauler types, at the guard position the experience of battling in the trenches pays off.

As for Mcquistan, I think the biggest reason to have hopes is simply that his brother (identical twin) is already starting and playing well for the raiders. His brother was a high pick and more experinced and more well known.

Those in the know have stated that they both have the same physical abilities, which are substantial. The college coaches stated that he was essentially a year behind his brother in terms of developement, but had the same attributes and ultimate potential.

Would I pass on a talented left tackle because of McQ, no way. Cover your bases, if they both turn out to be studs, well thats a good dillema.

I just learned something today

 

[Clove]

This Staley sounds like a good pick, and I don't know much about him except what you all have shown in this thread, but his measurables are incredible.

No DE or OLB should be able to run around him, and he seems pretty strong as well. I'm assuming he'll get even stronger as he gets older. I like the pick, as some have mentioned, if you can trade down and still get him, that would be awesome.

You can take those trade down picks, package them with all those lower round picks, and possible come out of it with another 2nd round pick giving us 4 1st day picks.