Joe Staley at #22?

[VACowboy]

Good stuff, Bob. I like Satele in the third too, but figured Datish in the fifth was better value. I think Tyler is sliding and may very well be there for us in the second round. If he is I think it'd be foolish for us to pass, a young, strong player built to play NT. And I love Clowney, despite the fact that he's a Hokie. He has decent size, good hands and is quick as greased snot.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good stuff, Bob. I like Satele in the third too, but figured Datish in the fifth was better value. I think Tyler is sliding and may very well be there for us in the second round. If he is I think it'd be foolish for us to pass, a young, strong player built to play NT. And I love Clowney, despite the fact that he's a Hokie. He has decent size, good hands and is quick as greased snot.

I like Clowney, but he didn't look particularly good in Senior Bowl workouts, can't go wrong w/ Datish either, the 5th would be great value for him

 

[Tristan]

Those same "draft guides" had Demarcus Ware going in the second to third round range. Prospectus's change dramatically in the weeks/days leading up to the draft.

The problem with David/Dbair is that even though you put him on ignore, you still have to see his know it all ignorant conjecture when someone quotes him.

Who cares if the player is #22 or #27 on some talking heads "chart", if our scouts think this kid is a baller, and has the ability to be a solid left tackle for us, we should strongly consider drafting him.

If we like him, and feel we can trade down a few spots and still get him, then that would be the smart thing to do.

If you really want the guy, you take him where you can, if you feel that there is a strong possibility that someone else will take him if you move back, then you draft him, period.

You don't risk losing out on a player that can solidify your left tackle position for a decade by worrying about if he should be #22 or #26. I sure hope moving back a few spots didn't cost us Marcus Mcneil last year.

I personally hope we get either Tedd Ginn Jr. or Dwayne Jarrett in the first, but if our scouts think Staley has the chance to be a very good left tackle for us then I would absolutely love the pick.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

anyone? anyone? Bueller? I know someone posted his Pro Day workout, but here are his #s again:

6'6" 306, 1.65 10-yard dash, 4.79 40 4.4 short-shuttle, 7.09 3-cone drill, 32" vertical

he benched 225, 27 times at the Combine, one less than Joe Thomas

he could realistically pack on 20 more pounds and still be arguably the most mobile OT in the league, no way he's around at our pick in the 2nd, some scouts are characterizing his workout as being the most impressive they ever witnessed for an Olineman

to put his #s in perspective, his 1.65 10-yard dash was barely slower than Troy Smith's, his 4.79 40 was better than Quentin Moses' and only 0.09 slower than Jarvis Moss', his 20 yard shuttle was even w/ Jarvis Moss', his 3-cone drill time was barely faster, and he out-weighs each by at least 40lbs.

he also looked great in Senior Bowl workouts show-casing tremendous power and quick feet, I'm just imagining him and McQ as our bookends at OT, and I like it, it's him, Meachem or Spencer for me in the 1st

btw, if we can trade down and still get Staley, even better

No.

 

[sago1]

CB, DT, WR & OL are needs this year & waiting until next year when they became dire necessities is foolish. Hopefully we use first day picks to get these players cause we want them to become starters within 1-2 years. They can adjust to the NFL /make a contribution in 07 but start in 08 at CB, OL & WR. Ferguson's backup will be lucky cause he have an additional year that the other players won't have to learn the position and then start at the latest in 09.

If we stay at #22 we'll probably go either CB (Ross/Revis) or WR (Meacham/Bowe/Jarrett). We could go ILB Willis or DT Alan Branch if one of them falls to us. I guess we could also go DE or OLB but doubtful. If none of these available, I see us trying to trade down to get better value for our pick (and also grab a 3rd or 4th rounder) and then we'll probably draft an OT Staley. We need him to provide competition for McQuistan for Adams' job cause I really doubt we willing provide big bucks to Adams due to his age/performance level. After all, we'll also need that money to re-sign Newman & Romo & I don't think we need 3 big contracts in 08.

 

[iceberg]

at 22? not just no but hell no

he's a middle 2nd rd pick at best

David

i guess that's why in most mocks i've seen, fan and pro based, he goes in the 1st almost in every draft.

people know me and my OL fetish. if we're set at G and blalock is G only, then i'd LOVE an OT and let's just get the non-sexy but necessary pick out of the way and let's fix this line once and for all and not just rotate some pieces around every year. let's make the long term investment in it now that we've started w/gurode, colombo and davis.

add in staley, get a backup center, and i think we've got a shot to be a dominate line.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i guess that's why in most mocks i've seen, fan and pro based, he goes in the 1st almost in every draft.

people know me and my OL fetish. if we're set at G and blalock is G only, then i'd LOVE an OT and let's just get the non-sexy but necessary pick out of the way and let's fix this line once and for all and not just rotate some pieces around every year. let's make the long term investment in it now that we've started w/gurode, colombo and davis.

add in staley, get a backup center, and i think we've got a shot to be a dominate line.

I don't know how a 6'6" 300lb man who can run as fast, and is as quick as most of the DEs available in this draft, can be considered non-sexy, I think people are generally just afraid of the unknown, esp if they haven't heard that player's name on people's 1st round lists, "what? now I'm just hearing about him, no way"

 

[cobra]

Staley is intriguing. But he is also a project at this point; great intangibles but still new to the position. That's not a bad thing since any tackle drafted isn't starting for at least one season (barring injury) . Also, there seems to be some interest in Pat McQ developing into a starting caliber tackle.

I'll be all over him in the 2nd round... but he won't be there. He'll go in a range of 25-35, in my opinion. I don't like him in round 1. I'd rather take Spencer if he is there, or Meachem or Bowe.

 

[The30YardSlant]

anyone? anyone? Bueller? I know someone posted his Pro Day workout, but here are his #s again:

6'6" 306, 1.65 10-yard dash, 4.79 40 4.4 short-shuttle, 7.09 3-cone drill, 32" vertical

he benched 225, 27 times at the Combine, one less than Joe Thomas

he could realistically pack on 20 more pounds and still be arguably the most mobile OT in the league, no way he's around at our pick in the 2nd, some scouts are characterizing his workout as being the most impressive they ever witnessed for an Olineman

to put his #s in perspective, his 1.65 10-yard dash was barely slower than Troy Smith's, his 4.79 40 was better than Quentin Moses' and only 0.09 slower than Jarvis Moss', his 20 yard shuttle was even w/ Jarvis Moss', his 3-cone drill time was barely faster, and he out-weighs each by at least 40lbs.

he also looked great in Senior Bowl workouts show-casing tremendous power and quick feet, I'm just imagining him and McQ as our bookends at OT, and I like it, it's him, Meachem or Spencer for me in the 1st

btw, if we can trade down and still get Staley, even better

Wait for it....






















It's coming.....

























There it is.....

The guy is a raw project, and that's the last thing a team with championship apirations needs to be drafting with the 22nd overall pick

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Staley is intriguing. But he is also a project at this point; great intangibles but still new to the position. That's not a bad thing since any tackle drafted isn't starting for at least one season (barring injury) . Also, there seems to be some interest in Pat McQ developing into a starting caliber tackle.

I'll be all over him in the 2nd round... but he won't be there. He'll go in a range of 25-35, in my opinion. I don't like him in round 1. I'd rather take Spencer if he is there, or Meachem or Bowe.

McQ and Staley book-ending at OT looks good to me

Staley is just another option, I wouldn't mind him, Spencer, Meachem, Bowe, Jarrett, Ted Ginn Jr. at 22

 

[The30YardSlant]

McQ and Staley book-ending at OT looks good to me

Romo just upped his life insurence policy tenfold

 

[iceberg]

I don't know how a 6'6" 300lb man who can run as fast, and is as quick as most of the DEs available in this draft, can be considered non-sexy, I think people are generally just afraid of the unknown, esp if they haven't heard that player's name on people's 1st round lists, "what? now I'm just hearing about him, no way"

ferrari's are sexy.
a peterbuilt is necessary but not sexy.

wr's, rb's and qb's are sexy.
OT / OG are necessary to win, but not sexy.

i doubt anyone ever looked at nate and went 'ooooh baby, gots to get me some of that'.

i know what you're saying. i really do. but some picks people don't want way up there simply because it's not sexy in traditional form.

but if we get our OL fixed, then:

romo has more time to make plays
julius has more holes to run through
ditto marion.
TO has time to get open
glenn has time

our offense just becomes a lot less predictable simply because they have another second or two before romo has to get mobile. even then romo is good at being mobile so that dimension is still there.

our "sexy" positions just got a lot sexier and more productive.

color me ok with staley at 22. i'd not drop 5-6 spots just to pick up a 4th/5th round pick who's depth anyway and risk losing him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Romo just upped his life insurence policy tenfold

so who do you suggest be the starting LT when Flo moves on? Leonard Davis? :laugh2:

btw, who the hell is DeWayne Jarrett?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I just checked out Staley's bio, he was a TE his Freshman year and caught 11 passes for 130 yards and a TD, this kid is an athlete

 

[The30YardSlant]

so who do you suggest be the starting LT when Flo moves on? Leonard Davis? :laugh2:

Not this guy

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not this guy

I didn't ask who you don't want

 

[TDH]

I wouldnt mind him at 22 at all. I do think that this year is a deep CB ( by deep, i mean any team that wants one in the 1st rd should get a good one. Hall, Houston, Ross, Revis) Doubt more than 4 CBs go in 1st. Not every year is like that though. So I think as Henry ages, we should pull the trigger on a corner if we get a shot. But with Flozell's inevitable (i think) departure next year, then LT must be looked at as a "Need."

Of course DT is also, but at 22, i dont think there will be any 22 level talent unless Branch's laziness has really rubbed everyone the wrong way. So I'd like to see us go DT in the 2nd, and WR in the 3rd.

So I guess where all this leads is JJ and Ireland have to deicide who they have rated higher, Staley or Houston, or Meacham/Bowe (i really hope we dnt take a wr in the 1st!) and then they may have to deal with the added curveball of someone thats just to good to pass up (like a nelson for ex) that falls to them, even if we already have that "need" filled.

However it plays out...its gonna be fun to watch, but all in all, I think I would be excited about Staley at 22, even if that makes 2 years in a row that our 1st rd pick doesnt start.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I just checked out Staley's bio, he was a TE his Freshman year and caught 11 passes for 130 yards and a TD, this kid is an athlete

He might be an athlete but I question if he can ever put on enough weight to succeed as a OT in the NFL. And since he has no experience at center I don't even view him as a someone I would even list on the Cowboys draft board. We need a C/G more than a backup tackle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He might be an athlete but I question if he can ever put on enough weight to succeed as a OT in the NFL. And since he has no experience at center I don't even view him as a someone I would even list on the Cowboys draft board. We need a C/G more than a backup tackle.

he added 80lbs. between his Sophomore and Senior seasons, he's 6'6", he has alot of room to grow

we need a replacement for Flo, just like we need a replacement for Glenn and TO, just like we need a replacement for at least Aaron Glenn too, I'm not trying to push Staley down anyone's throat, I'm just sayin...

 

[The30YardSlant]

He might be an athlete but I question if he can ever put on enough weight to succeed as a OT in the NFL. And since he has no experience at center I don't even view him as a someone I would even list on the Cowboys draft board. We need a C/G more than a backup tackle.

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