Joey Thomas thread....(signed by New Orleans)

Saints claim former Packer Thomas off waivers


By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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Second-year cornerback Joey Thomas, released on Wednesday by the Green Bay Packers, was awarded on waivers to the New Orleans Saints on Thursday afternoon, ESPN.com has learned.

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Four other franchises -- Dallas, Miami, St. Louis and San Francisco -- also submitted waiver claims on the former third-round draft choice. By virtue of having the poorest record of the group, the Saints were awarded Thomas, a talented player who wore out his welcome with the Packers' brass.

Some league observers actually felt that more teams might submit claims for Thomas. But with his release coming Wednesday, some teams likely didn't want to have to try to clear a roster spot for him so late in the week.

So for just $161,470, the prorated share of Thomas' base salary for the final nine weeks of the 2005 season, the Saints get to examine the cornerback's play for two months and make a determination on his future. New Orleans essentially inherited the balance of the four-year, $2.1 contract Thomas signed as a rookie, which calls for minimum salaries of $385,000 in 2006 and $460,000 in 2007.

It is difficult in the NFL to find an experienced cornerback -- one with very good size (6 feet, 190 pounds), physical skills, and obvious potential -- for such a palatable price. Now it will be up to the New Orleans coaching staff to try to coax Thomas into fulfilling his potential over the final two months of the campaign.

Thomas, 25, has played in 20 games in two seasons with the Packers, including six games this year. The former Montana State standout has 28 tackles and four passes defensed. He has played principally as a right cornerback in "nickel" and "dime" situations, but vied for a starting job this summer.

A calf injury suffered during Green Bay's offseason workout program, and a subsequent hip injury in-season, slowed Thomas' development to some extent. He was affected, as well, by an ongoing battle with fellow second-year cornerback Ahmad Carroll, the first-round choice of the Packers in 2004. Thomas will need to mature both on and off the field, but it will help that his agents at Momentum Sports Management are headquartered in San Antonio, where the Saints are practicing during this disruptive season.

Shortly after his Wednesday release, which was mildly surprising, Thomas insisted he is still an NFL-caliber player.

"No one can convince me otherwise," he said. "It's one of those things where it didn't work out [in Green Bay], but it doesn't change what I believe in myself."

The Packers waived Thomas just three days after he committed a costly penalty in their Sunday loss at Cincinnati, a game during which he was benched. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. To check out Len's chat archive, click here
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See -- winning all those games is going to come back to haunt us - we're already pretty much out of the race to draft Leinhardt or Quinn -- now we can't get Joey Thomas.
 
abersonc said:
See -- winning all those games is going to come back to haunt us - we're already pretty much out of the race to draft Leinhardt or Quinn -- now we can't get Joey Thomas.

Wow, some people can just never be happy. Were winning now and people are still complaining, just wow.
 
Letemburn said:
Wow, some people can just never be happy. Were winning now and people are still complaining, just wow.

good god man -- do I need to spell it out S-A-R-C-A-S-M
 
trading deadline had passed....

I was wrong if this is true - he didn't appear to be a Parcells player.....
 
Nors said:
trading deadline had passed....

I was wrong if this is true - he didn't appear to be a Parcells player.....
Maybe you were right and wrong... Maybe Parcells liked his skillset but wouldn't have liked him so much once he got to know his personality better.
 
abersonc said:
good god man -- do I need to spell it out S-A-R-C-A-S-M

well since Hostile just yesterday showed me how to use the smilie button
for stuff i went and looked at all 161 emoticons and nope you dont have to spell
it out. just use one of the aforementioned premade overused underappreciated
little smilie deals !! :rolleyes:
 
poke said:
well since Hostile just yesterday showed me how to use the smilie button
for stuff i went and looked at all 161 emoticons and nope you dont have to spell
it out. just use one of the aforementioned premade overused underappreciated
little smilie deals !! :rolleyes:

I will never use an emoticon.

Sarcasm isn't funny when you have to say -- "i'm being sarcastic"
 
We are missing out on all of these awesome personnel opportunities including waiver claims and drafting early in draft rounds by doing something as foolish as winning.....

Sad actually.
 
Four other franchises -- Dallas, Miami, St. Louis and San Francisco -- also submitted waiver claims on the former third-round draft choice.


Ok I must be missing something here. I thought the "claiming order" was based on the last draft order. If so, shouldn't we have been able to claim Thomas ahead of the Saints? We picked before them in the last draft.

Even if it's not based on the last draft, how did the Saints get him over the 49ers and Dolphins?


Edit: Nevermind. Didn't realize the Fins have won 3 games. And the only reason the Saints got him over the 9ers is cuz they've played one more game.


Feel sorry for Thomas. Now he's got no chance of ever becoming a solid football player.
 
I realize the trade deadline had passed, but unless something huge happened recently that no one has heard about, he probably was available before the deadline.

We all know that although Thomas was cut this week, Dallas was willing to listen to offers before the deadline passed.
 
I had high hopes we'd get him but I knew other teams would beat us out. Wish he'd tell them he isn't interested.
 
StanleySpadowski said:
I realize the trade deadline had passed, but unless something huge happened recently that no one has heard about, he probably was available before the deadline.

We all know that although Thomas was cut this week, Dallas was willing to listen to offers before the deadline passed.

I'm fine with getting guys on waivers -- but trading picks for guys who didn't work out isn't smart. Do you want to miss out on the next Patrick Crayton or Jay Ratliff because we wanted to take a look at a guy who was highly regarded coming out of college but sucked as a pro?

It's all about risk vs. reward. There is little risk in a waiver claim -- you don't give anything up so anything positive you get out of the player is gravy. If you give up a pick, you are taking far more risk - if the player does nothing then you threw that pick away.
 
In order to help posters who want to write about Thomas, I've listed the Homer rule, Article 8, Section 21:


**Homer rule of thumb** if a player is put on waivers and Dallas puts in a claim. As we wait to see if Dallas actually gets the player all of his positives should be talked about. ie, young, big, fast, went pretty high in draft, potential, etc.

If said player then is claimed by Dallas, then: Threads should be started with his college scouting reports (removing negatives if possible) and speculation should begin as to when he would crack the starting lineup and what a steal the guy is. Mention should be made that he will improve with our obviously superior coaching and gererally better franchise. Mention should be made of how bad his ex-franchise really is and that everyone deserves a second chance. A list should be attempted of players who failed with one team and then went on to success with another. A list of these players should be kept handy at all times for moments like this.

If said player is lost to another team that put in a claim then: Mention that he was cut for good reason and if possible, fall back on the Spagnola rule that says, "if he was so good, why was he available?" Post the negatives from his college scouting reports. It isn't neccessary to start a new thread for that, as it's really a non-story... it can be posted in an already existing thread. If attitude problems are present in the slightest, note that said player isn't a "Parcells" player anyway. For greater effect, throw in some of our own players that were cut for attitude, i.e. Antonio Bryant, Derek Ross, etc. To close, you should always end with a statement that the young developing players we have at that position are better anyway and that the lost player never would've been able to crack the starting lineup anyway.


There... I hope this helps expedite posting.
 
Bummer. The real idiots are the Packers. If there was a chemistry problem, they should've been shopping him before the deadline- one of the five teams would've coughed up a late pick. If they only made the decision to cut him based on the sideline incident last week, it proves it was a knee-jerk reaction and a feeble attempt to find a scapegoat for their horrific defense.
 

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