CFZ Jonathan Hankins vs A'Shawn Robinson

[AKATheRake]

It's a good DT draft.

Hankins apparently isn't ready to sign a deal with any team right now anyways.

No way I pay Robinson $10 million

 

[T-RO]

Nice thread, X.

Like it when people invest a little thought.

 

[John813]

I think the market has cooled for higher than expected value for remaining FA. It’s going to be closer to honest offers/“true” value.

So, Robinson is probably in the 5-7mil range with some of that being options/incentives. Probably signs a 1 year to try again next year.

I wouldn’t mind either. Maybe a slight hint to Robinson due to age/potential higher snap count if needed*

* assumption that his age/lack of wear would be a positive factor

 

[Cowboyny]

Start of fa, wanted both to be signed by the team, but it's looking like Hankins at some point will resign, just a game of chicken right now.

 

[kskboys]

Can Robinson even play NT?

From what I see, he's always been a 3-4 DE/UT type. Looks like he's always had a competent NT beside him.

I think you're looking at different positions for these guys.

 

[DallasEast]

Nice info
For a NT I would think solo tackles, TFL are probably key stats
Those are plays he made on his own

Regular Season

	Hankins	Robinson
Year	Solo	Solo
2013	9
2014	30
2015	21
2016	29	22
2017	24	32
2018	21	34
2019	28	32
2020	27	6
2021	15	33
2022	7	22

​

Postseason

	Hankins	Robinson
Year	Solo	Solo
2016	2	2
2020		4
2021	1	12
2022	4

LInks: Hankins, Robinson

 

[speedkilz88]

Can Robinson even play NT?

From what I see, he's always been a 3-4 DE/UT type. Looks like he's always had a competent NT beside him.

I think you're looking at different positions for these guys.

Technically the Cowboys NTs play 1T which is different than a 3-4 NT (which Quinn may use some). They want quicker more lateral movement from the 1Ts. Robinson is mobile and can two gap like a 3-4 NT. I think Woods is actually the guy that might not fit what Quinn would want from his 1T.

 

[RandyOh]

Unless Robinson is willing to do like a 1 year deal worth 5 mil+ incentives, I would rather go Hankins for cheaper, draft a DT, and save some cap space for a trade deadline move to shore up the dline for the playoffs. Other than age, Robinson isn’t that much better than Hankins from the looks of it.

 

[quickccc]

Win-rate,... tackles for lost... solo/assist tackles ..and i cannot believe i'm saying this .. PFF grades .. i need all i can for grading 1 techs when i cannot see them up close and front.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Unless Robinson is willing to do like a 1 year deal worth 5 mil+ incentives, I would rather go Hankins for cheaper, draft a DT, and save some cap space for a trade deadline move to shore up the dline for the playoffs. Other than age, Robinson isn’t that much better than Hankins from the looks of it.

You are correct my friend, there really isnt that much difference between the two of them playing wise, just age.

 

[Cebrin]

FOR ALL THAT IF HE WANTS THAT MUCH, I GET A DT IN THE DAMN DRAFT!!! Or Al Woods

Lol. The all caps has me chuckling.

 

[Cebrin]

The Cowboys will never invest big money on a 2 down NT that is expensive, and as much as we hate that here it is the proper approach. You want a guy that can 3 down if you pay them money. If Aaron Donald grew on a tree then every team would have one.

Fingers crossed we land Keanu Benton, because I think he can be that guy. He might not be Donald, but he has the tools to do both with his size, and strength.

 

[Cebrin]

Win-rate,... tackles for lost... solo/assist tackles ..and i cannot believe i'm saying this .. PFF grades .. i need all i can for grading 1 techs when i cannot see them up close and front.

Watch tape. That's how I evaluate, and then look at competition.

 

[Pass2Run]

So, the easy answer is . . . Hankins. Not enough gap between players for that money.

 

[Kwyn]

It's a good DT draft.

Hankins apparently isn't ready to sign a deal with any team right now anyways.

No way I pay Robinson $10 million

There’s only one DT that is a definite first rounder.

Three in the second.

Unless you’re talking about guys who can be rotational, which we have several already, I don’t think I would call it a good DT draft.

 

[Kwyn]

20% more tackles made from 30% less snaps….that’s a fair bit.

That’s some serious excel spreadsheet work you’ve got going on there.

I imagine our coaches and front office people are actually watching game film.

 

[jnday]

$10 M would have signed Wagner.

Exactly and they would have gotten a real difference maker.

 

[kskboys]

Technically the Cowboys NTs play 1T which is different than a 3-4 NT (which Quinn may use some). They want quicker more lateral movement from the 1Ts. Robinson is mobile and can two gap like a 3-4 NT. I think Woods is actually the guy that might not fit what Quinn would want from his 1T.

That's exactly what we thought about Spears and then Cedric Thornton. 3-4DE and NT are not interchangeable.

 

[speedkilz88]

That's exactly what we thought about Spears and then Cedric Thornton. 3-4DE and NT are not interchangeable.

Some can like Robinson, even Brockers played end in a 3-4 recently. Carlos Watkins was an end for the Texans.

 

[kskboys]

It's a good DT draft.

Hankins apparently isn't ready to sign a deal with any team right now anyways.

No way I pay Robinson $10 million

What? It's a bad DT draft. Who told you it was good?