Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[daveferr33]

This was my favorite quote. Pure Jerry:

“Well it’s just not necessarily a factor. It’s just not. The things that make the record will be under consideration, but not the record. Not the record, the numbers on the record,” Jones said. “That’s been the case, did the record of 8-8, 8-8, was that a factor? No. Principally it were other things that I’m proud of and that I think creates quite an asset for us. In my mind, he is more of an asset after this last 8-8 season than he was before the first 8-8 season we had three years ago.”

Translation: The Training is working.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

This was my favorite quote. Pure Jerry:


Translation: The Training is working.

Maybe the actual translation is, "I gave him a 10-6 roster before his first 8-8 season, and a 4-12 roster before his last, so the training is working."

 

[cowboyeric8]

When have you ever heard a GM say this is the coaches' last year unless he makes the playoffs??? It doesn't happen. Sometimes it's not as complicated as it seems.

But that would make too much sense Sarge.

There are some people who would be better off never listening to Jerry. He never says much of importance. It's always media pandering. And no matter what he says it will be twisted into saying something else because everyone hates Jerry.

 

[Hostile]

What's also amusing is when people continue to bang the drum when the results aren't there.

8-8, 8-8, 8-8.

There's no illusions anymore.

No delusions of grandeur.

No reputation around the league.

In a results driven league, the results are in.

And they're clear.

I could fill a response with evidence that suggests we've already had better results than should have been expected. I could wax poetic about the internet age ruining true expectations, and provide tons of evidence of other coaches who struggled with bad and mediocre teams but who began to build success that was sustained because the team continued to believe in what was being built.

Instead I think I'll offer you, and only you, a wager. I'll bet you a steak dinner right now that barring a health related reason Jason Garrett is going to be our Head Coach for at least 10 years. I am taking all the risk on this. He hasn't even started year 4 and I am predicting 6 more at least. Do you want the bet?

 

[CCBoy]

The more of these delusional, fantasy driven posts I see on this board, the more I am reminded of the parable of The Emperor's New Clothes. As you might remember from that story, two scam artists (translation: Jerry Jones starring in a dual role) tell everyone in the kingdom that if people are not able to see the fine garments they are weaving it's only because they are not worthy of their position (translation: If you can't see what a fine job Jason is doing rebuilding this roster - which went 11-5 with a playoff win the year before he took over, btw - then you are just not "football smart").

In the parable, the little kid who realized that the emperor actually was naked (translation: myself and more than a few posters on this board who can see what a farce this truly is) is able to make people realize they had been scammed. Unfortunately, for a lot of posters on this board, the scam (or more accurately, the self-constructed delusional fantasy continues, unchecked.


Monte Sliger

Well lookie here...I bet a pinkie finger is raised while slurping beer also...

As to insulting intelligences, Katie bar the door, ill intent is trying to get in the house..but s staright forward observance in return, is not lacking on this side of issues.

Pamper your own vanities...but a lot less pompous is in order.

 

[TheDude]

Okay. You found one example of Jerry saying one thing and then doing another.

Now you can try to figure out WHY he originally said what he said about Wade's job security even though he ended up changing his mind.

Then you can apply it to the current situation!

At the time, did Jerry have anything to gain by publicly opening the door for Wade's in-season firing?

Does he have anything to gain now by telling the media that "Garrett will surely be fired if __ happens?"

In each situation, could a potential distraction have arisen if Jerry had told the media that "Wade could get canned midseason" or "Garrett's gone if we lose 8 games again"?

There's your answer! Not rocket science.

That wasnt the point of my initial response though..."Imagine if he said "I no longer talk about personnel or coaching situations. I am here to remove all obstacles that hinder this organization from not achieving goals" and then made like most gms and stayed out of sight"

The media plays him because they know they can get a quote from him because he loves attention. He is addicted to microphones.

This affliction (which is allowed in the Bill of Rights} does nothing to help the team remain focused on football. Should it be a distraction? maybe not. But why give the media ammo like the "Callahan will takeover play calling duties",, "Garrett is my traiinee", etc. I mean the Hernandez story is about as crazy as anything Ive seen in the NFL. The press tried to make it a Pats story even after he was cut and Belicheck and Kraft would havev none of it. Zero comment.Zero ammo. Jerry has to retract more comments than anyone I have ever seen. While he is a smart businessman, undoubtedly, he has no self awareness and he has a buffoonish reputation from his own hand

 

[TheDude]

I don't understand the hissy fit everyone is making over this (including the talking heads). What was he supposed to say .... "if we don't at least go 9-8 Garrett's tail is out the door"!!! Grow up people.

"I have decided to no longer make public comments about players or staff. This is our organization that we feel gives us the BEst chance to succeed. I want the focus to be on football and not having my words potentially create unnecessary irritants that my coaches or players will have to address or infer. Talk to you after the season"

and then do it

 

[BoysFan4ever]

"I have decided to no longer make public comments about players or staff. This is our organization that we feel gives us the BEst chance to succeed. I want the focus to be on football and not having my words potentially create unnecessary irritants that my coaches or players will have to address or infer. Talk to you after the season"

and then do it

That would be great but as you said he is addicted to the attention. The cameras & microphones. He'll never give that up.

 

[CCBoy]

That wasnt the point of my initial response though..."Imagine if he said "I no longer talk about personnel or coaching situations. I am here to remove all obstacles that hinder this organization from not achieving goals" and then made like most gms and stayed out of sight"

The media plays him because they know they can get a quote from him because he loves attention. He is addicted to microphones.

This affliction (which is allowed in the Bill of Rights} does nothing to help the team remain focused on football. Should it be a distraction? maybe not. But why give the media ammo like the "Callahan will takeover play calling duties",, "Garrett is my traiinee", etc. I mean the Hernandez story is about as crazy as anything Ive seen in the NFL. The press tried to make it a Pats story even after he was cut and Belicheck and Kraft would havev none of it. Zero comment.Zero ammo. Jerry has to retract more comments than anyone I have ever seen. While he is a smart businessman, undoubtedly, he has no self awareness and he has a buffoonish reputation from his own hand

There is more than a single management style that is fully functional in an organizational setting. He doesn't have to rely upon an opinion on status of anything within his own business. He does rely upon opinions of others, but he does his own checking...and that is called responsible in other quarters.

I don't see the need to pass blame on style of interactions...as he uses a combination of expression as well as directive and non-directive focus in management. That is only normal, from the battlefield to garrison as well.

Believe me, his talking isn't the direct or even indirect cause for anything going wrong on the carpet.

 

[CCBoy]

"I have decided to no longer make public comments about players or staff. This is our organization that we feel gives us the BEst chance to succeed. I want the focus to be on football and not having my words potentially create unnecessary irritants that my coaches or players will have to address or infer. Talk to you after the season"

and then do it

People still have the choice to change an opinion with developments...and sometimes a Mother says that she gives up on a child...but does she?

Sometimes, if co-sharing the duties of a fan, it's sporting to respect that element in another's feelings...unless you have actual and legitimate control of their own purse strings as well.

 

[Hoofbite]

I have no problem with what he said. On face value I would agree. I don't think records are nearly indicative of a team in its entirety. Who you've played, how you've played, etc......it all works into the equation. I don't think this stance is necessarily unreasonable. However, records are generally a good indicator of the above and if 8-8 were to happen again I don't see how they could bring him back.

On face value I don't have a problem at all. I do have a problem with what that means for Dallas. If not based on record than it's based on a thorough assessment, and I have little confidence in Jerry to do that aspect of his job well.

The same guy who once said Wade was one of the best talent evaluators he's been around will be the same guy deciding whether or not Jason's performance in all areas other than the win-loss column is worth continuing the investment.

 

[CCBoy]

Well lookie here...I bet a pinkie finger is raised while slurping beer also...

As to insulting intelligences, Katie bar the door, ill intent is trying to get in the house..but s staright forward observance in return, is not lacking on this side of issues.

Pamper your own vanities...but a lot less pompous is in order.

Oh, and the obvious...that should be a 'straight' answer.

 

[Alexander]

but in short, the Detroit and Green Bay games are both won if the Head Coach simply plays the percentages and conventional thinking.

Unless he learned from this, what exactly has changed with Garrett?

Win both or even one of those, I would be just as hopeful with what is being built here.

What is just as frustrating as the continued 8-8 record are the same mistakes being made over and over each year like the same with regards to Garrett's maturation.

Just curious how long his supporters feel is necessary for him to avoid losing that one game or two every year that can be pinned directly on his decision making.

All in all, there have been plenty of head coaches who never got over their shortcomings in game management. There have been others that had better results that the NFL simply just gave up on eventually (Herm Edwards is a great example). So how long does he get? Five more years? Ten?

 

[CCBoy]

I have no problem with what he said. On face value I would agree. I don't think records are nearly indicative of a team in its entirety. Who you've played, how you've played, etc......it all works into the equation. I don't think this stance is necessarily unreasonable. However, records are generally a good indicator of the above and if 8-8 were to happen again I don't see how they could bring him back.

On face value I don't have a problem at all. I do have a problem with what that means for Dallas. If not based on record than it's based on a thorough assessment, and I have little confidence in Jerry to do that aspect of his job well.

The same guy who once said Wade was one of the best talent evaluators he's been around will be the same guy deciding whether or not Jason's performance in all areas other than the win-loss column is worth continuing the investment.

That is only common responses to someone who has already be entrusted with decision making and managing players.

Once that passed a point of non-progress, a decision on a removal was made. But that isn't a direct connection between the original statement, in support of a management element...and when the shyte happened. That requires another action.

Insinuating that Phillips should have been kept - to save face at a later point in time? I sure don't.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Unless he learned from this, what exactly has changed with Garrett?

Win both or even one of those, I would be just as hopeful with what is being built here.

What is just as frustrating as the continued 8-8 record are the same mistakes being made over and over each year like the same with regards to Garrett's maturation.

Just curious how long his supporters feel is necessary for him to avoid losing that one game or two every year that can be pinned directly on his decision making.

All in all, there have been plenty of head coaches who never got over their shortcomings in game management. There have been others that had better results that the NFL simply just gave up on eventually (Herm Edwards is a great example). So how long does he get? Five more years? Ten?

Well Jason is Jerry's friend & they know each other so well so it's..oh what's the word..a process.

Yep it's a process.

Jason has been in the NFL for decades as a player & coach but he's still in training.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Firing a coach based on any one season's record is terrible decision-making. Jerry is right to say what he did. However, ultimately, we all know that Garrett's fate hinges on whether or not he wins.

 

[Hoofbite]

That is only common responses to someone who has already be entrusted with decision making and managing players.

Once that passed a point of non-progress, a decision on a removal was made. But that isn't a direct connection between the original statement, in support of a management element...and when the shyte happened. That requires another action.

Insinuating that Phillips should have been kept - to save face at a later point in time? I sure don't.

Not at all. I'd have to think Phillips did a great job at acquiring talent - I don't. Simply pointing out that Wade didn't exactly do any favors for the talent level on the team, and therefore Jerry's own ability to judge the performance of his coaches is questionable.

 

[CCBoy]

Unless he learned from this, what exactly has changed with Garrett?

Win both or even one of those, I would be just as hopeful with what is being built here.

What is just as frustrating as the continued 8-8 record are the same mistakes being made over and over each year like the same with regards to Garrett's maturation.

Just curious how long his supporters feel is necessary for him to avoid losing that one game or two every year that can be pinned directly on his decision making.

All in all, there have been plenty of head coaches who never got over their shortcomings in game management. There have been others that had better results that the NFL simply just gave up on eventually (Herm Edwards is a great example). So how long does he get? Five more years? Ten?

No, most things of this nature don't accumulate about today's head coaches. A thorough after action evaluation, which is current Dallas practice, approaches just these types of situations. If that wasn't in the field of the NFL, then how would media pick up on just those sort of things? Jerry does not live in a vacuum or cloud either one. Not even for the benefit of fans throwing blame as they do most other places as well...in today's world.

People who are intellectually invested in the franchise, learn and adjust accordingly...but not on the time frame that some fans demand. There obviously is more to it than a simple set of two circumstances.

In well groomed coaching staffs, that takes both experience and interactions as a unit. That takes patience no matter what level it is observed...on the team or by fans.

 

[Alexander]

“I know first hand that we’ve got a relationship, that I have a relationship — there’s nobody that has a better feel for me than Jason in terms of a relationship."

He knows what I do. He can deal with the ambiguity.

In other words, he is perfect because he takes it.

 

[Sportsbabe]

"I have decided to no longer make public comments about players or staff. This is our organization that we feel gives us the BEst chance to succeed. I want the focus to be on football and not having my words potentially create unnecessary irritants that my coaches or players will have to address or infer. Talk to you after the season"

and then do it

I like it.
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