Joseph Randle Arrested Yet Again for Battery; 3rd Arrest Since Being Cut in November

[Aven8]

Garrett wanted to re-sign Murray, and he was against drafting Gregory and signing Hardy.

Just to set the record straight.

I keep hearing this "JG was against Gregory" all becaus he made a smirk on draft day in the war room?? Lol.

 

[Alexander]

How is it clear? What exactly is he suffering from besides being an idiot?

It is clear now, but the first warning signs of stupid (i.e. the shoplifting incident)

Now suddenly it is a pathology where we simply could have avoided it after he acted like a disturbed teenager.

It is the ultimate excuse now. Well, nobody knew he had mental problems?

Well perhaps it is time stupidity is identified as a warning sign and when the talent is not good enough to tip the scale, you move on a little quicker than we have.

There is a clear pattern that we are following.

Rehabbing everyone is not exactly going to pay off in today's NFL. It might have worked for Davis' Raiders, but not now.

The culture of rehabilitation needs to be examined.

For every Bryant, there are players like Josh Brent and Randle. Now we have Gregory on the list for therapy.

 

[Alexander]

I keep hearing this "JG was against Gregory" all becaus he made a smirk on draft day in the war room?? Lol.

It is just a ploy some use to delude themselves that Garrett was not complicit.

There is no direct evidence he was against Gregory.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

First off, I see the wife left her guard down and you made it back on the internet...

As to off cuff, criminal activity, or just plain blatant attitude fit as poorly now, as it did back then. Haley was confrontational to co players from the start. He peed on the car of a coach in the team's parking lot...THAT is when he was offered to Dallas. He got into continual confrontations and fights with team mates in Dallas, UNTIL Chad Hennings grabbed him; lifted him off the ground; and slammed him into a locker. He suddenly saw the light, changed, and was more supportive in and outside of the lockerroom. Yea, really different stuff with a cherry picked time line that is also supposed to make your own arrogance palatable.

Bloke? Ever see a recruiter...much less play football at a collegiate level? Naw, keep on trying to impress the newly arrived preppies to the burn barrel bunch.

Simply stated, standards for conduct applied then, now, and into the future...

Blimey!
Again, in the future, try to make your case more relevant. And timely.
Haley? I bet you have some valuable civil war era railroad bonds in your safe, heh.
Here's a nugget. For every Haley, there are 10 hard-luck, thugish athletes just a weapons charge away from the slammer, and from the slammer I don't mean Chad Jennings, mate!
In the real world, athletes with baggage have .45s and crack pipes within it. And friends your mum told you to stay away from.
Don't give me Charles Haley. That was last century and 6 coaches ago and an epoch not to be repeated with the likes of this front office made up of pretenders.
As to the burn barrel, oh, behave yourself. You play with the burn barrel enough and you will injure yourself and then we will rush to aid you and then we shall all burn our fingers.
Be a good lad now and play nice and get your attention back to the future. Wipe the soot off your face and be a good little soldier. Say, that reminds me, could you soldiers win a war every once in a while. We have not won a war since ...WORLD WAR II!!!!!!!
Blimey, where does the time go!
As for the wife she left me but I have high hopes she will return! Alas she put the parental security lock on the tele and the computer, so and my internet options are restricted. Could I borrow yours, good neighbor? I am sure you have swell favorites stored!
Charles Haley. Heh

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I keep hearing this "JG was against Gregory" all becaus he made a smirk on draft day in the war room?? Lol.

Bloke, that was no smirk. It was heartburn. He works long enough with Sir Jerry and he will develop a permanent smirk/grimace like Steve Spurrier.
JG and NFL security knew about his ...um indiscretions. I have to go. I think ccboy is looking for me....

 

[Idgit]

How is it clear? What exactly is he suffering from besides being an idiot?

You'll have to look it up. Some of the pages are on sites that aren't necessarily family friendly. But the info is out there.

Or maybe he's just an idiot. Those types do still exist, don't they?

Not singling you out and I'm not saying that you are giving him any sort of pass, but the growing theme of providing any and every reason for the behavior of professional athletes other than a lack of responsibility is getting a bit worn out, IMO. I'm in no way saying that I wouldn't like to see anyone with mental illness get help, but I'm less than amused that athletes and celebrities have a default explanation for their poor decisions. It'd be nice if the same level of concern for mental health was shown to other members of population.

/rant

I don't see what the issue is, really. There are lots of reasons why players fail. Sometimes it physical. Sometimes it's emotional. Sometimes it's mental--as in, an inability to grasp the offense or process information quickly enough. Sometimes it's a breakdown of sorts. I don't see where it matters all that much what the reason for failure is. They aren't excuses.

In Randle's case, when they released him they indicated that he had bigger problems than his job to worry about, and they extended the resources of the team to help him out where they could. It wasn't normal. Jerry publicly said he had concerns for his mental state when they first suspended him. Then there was that weird thing where JR called police to his girlfriend's house because he said he was paranoid and concerned for her safety. On top of the 4-5 arrests. Whatever the condition was, it appears to have gotten progressively worse.

And I don't see any reason to believe there's any more concern for the mental health of a football player than we would be over anybody else in the population. Granted, football players get more attention, that's just to be expected.

He was not so talented to overlook his behavior. That is the key. There were warning signs of childish and unintelligent behavior before even the shoplifting incident. That should have been the final straw. But since we feel we can rehabilitate the stupid, he stayed and was even handed a significant role going into 2015.

He was always a nut, that's clear. Garrett was commenting on the personality quirks his freshman year during camp. But the condition obviously has gotten worse the last two years. The arrests, for example, are a recent thing.

Here's what Jerry said at the time they first suspended him before his release:

"It doesn't deserve a real knee-jerk reaction as to roster or as to future, certainly doesn't as to the future,” Jones said. “But Randle has been with us going on his third year and we'll take that into consideration as we look at it. Let's look at the whole picture and how things have evolved. … It'll be patient relative to just the sensitivity of anybody that's going through some trying times. Then we want to really be supportive and help when we can and not act in a way that looks like the priority would not be your health, but what about your job, what about your football team. It's up to me to kind of soften that and let him work through these other issues.”

Obviously, the guy is spiraling out of control. This doesn't look like a story with a happy ending. I don't see a particular need to be critical of how the team handled any of it, though. He was a talented back, they thought could be successful in a rotation behind this OL. He was, until he started to lose it, at which point the suspended him and eventually released him. They guys they replaced him with were productive, and that's really all there is to the story.

I agree with you that the Gregory thing is an example of the team whiffing on a big risk they took on a player again, for the record. That was a high profile pick at a high profile position who's already working himself out of the league in year 2. It's not the same thing as a 3rd year role player unraveling mentally the way Randle has.

 

[CCBoy]

Blimey!
Again, in the future, try to make your case more relevant. And timely.
Haley? I bet you have some valuable civil war era railroad bonds in your safe, heh.
Here's a nugget. For every Haley, there are 10 hard-luck, thugish athletes just a weapons charge away from the slammer, and from the slammer I don't mean Chad Jennings, mate!
In the real world, athletes with baggage have .45s and crack pipes within it. And friends your mum told you to stay away from.
Don't give me Charles Haley. That was last century and 6 coaches ago and an epoch not to be repeated with the likes of this front office made up of pretenders.
As to the burn barrel, oh, behave yourself. You play with the burn barrel enough and you will injure yourself and then we will rush to aid you and then we shall all burn our fingers.
Be a good lad now and play nice and get your attention back to the future. Wipe the soot off your face and be a good little soldier. Say, that reminds me, could you soldiers win a war every once in a while. We have not won a war since ...WORLD WAR II!!!!!!!
Blimey, where does the time go!
As for the wife she left me but I have high hopes she will return! Alas she put the parental security lock on the tele and the computer, so and my internet options are restricted. Could I borrow yours, good neighbor? I am sure you have swell favorites stored!
Charles Haley. Heh

Never thought I would hear ill of the wife from you, but there one goes. Times works differently on different people..sorry, but I don't think calling a buzzard a peafowl works, even with the march of time.

Nope, never was a ring tapper of any sort...but you go.

This kid, Gregory, has potential, even if his head is stuck in an outhouse worth of crap. Just like Haley. Oh, and I AM old enough to remember...

Now tell me that is Tequila!

 

[CCBoy]

You'll have to look it up. Some of the pages are on sites that aren't necessarily family friendly. But the info is out there.



I don't see what the issue is, really. There are lots of reasons why players fail. Sometimes it physical. Sometimes it's emotional. Sometimes it's mental--as in, an inability to grasp the offense or process information quickly enough. Sometimes it's a breakdown of sorts. I don't see where it matters all that much what the reason for failure is. They aren't excuses.

In Randle's case, when they released him they indicated that he had bigger problems than his job to worry about, and they extended the resources of the team to help him out where they could. It wasn't normal. Jerry publicly said he had concerns for his mental state when they first suspended him. Then there was that weird thing where JR called police to his girlfriend's house because he said he was paranoid and concerned for her safety. On top of the 4-5 arrests. Whatever the condition was, it appears to have gotten progressively worse.

And I don't see any reason to believe there's any more concern for the mental health of a football player than we would be over anybody else in the population. Granted, football players get more attention, that's just to be expected.



He was always a nut, that's clear. Garrett was commenting on the personality quirks his freshman year during camp. But the condition obviously has gotten worse the last two years. The arrests, for example, are a recent thing.

Here's what Jerry said at the time they first suspended him before his release:



Obviously, the guy is spiraling out of control. This doesn't look like a story with a happy ending. I don't see a particular need to be critical of how the team handled any of it, though. He was a talented back, they thought could be successful in a rotation behind this OL. He was, until he started to lose it, at which point the suspended him and eventually released him. They guys they replaced him with were productive, and that's really all there is to the story.

I agree with you that the Gregory thing is an example of the team whiffing on a big risk they took on a player again, for the record. That was a high profile pick at a high profile position who's already working himself out of the league in year 2. It's not the same thing as a 3rd year role player unraveling mentally the way Randle has.

His moorings were shallow...but by several reports, he does have a socially redemptive side as well. It won't take long before we know if he is able to sort the two out.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Never thought I would hear ill of the wife from you, but there one goes. Times works differently on different people..sorry, but I don't think calling a buzzard a peafowl works, even with the march of time.

Nope, never was a ring tapper of any sort...but you go.

This kid, Gregory, has potential, even if his head is stuck in an outhouse worth of crap. Just like Haley. Oh, and I AM old enough to remember...

Yes he hath potential. You and I have potential, so there it goes.
Potential is a word corporate recruiters and ordnace disposalists never want to hear. Sir Jerry should abhor the word. Burrrrrr!
Come along, lad, to the Museum of Potential (you can bring along your popcorn) and we shall see the likes of David LeFleur, Buster Douglas and the Singing Nun.
As for the wife, she is the toppermost of the toppermost! I shall box your ears if you are unsteady with your invectives! Gadzooks. Now you have me all atwitter, GI Joe!

 

[Junglist]

You'll have to look it up. Some of the pages are on sites that aren't necessarily family friendly. But the info is out there.

So, you don't know.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes he hath potential. You and I have potential, so there it goes.
Potential is a word corporate recruiters and ordnace disposalists never want to hear. Sir Jerry should abhor the word. Burrrrrr!
Come along, lad, to the Museum of Potential (you can bring along your popcorn) and we shall see the likes of David LeFleur, Buster Douglas and the Singing Nun.
As for the wife, she is the toppermost of the toppermost! I shall box your ears if you are not unsteady with your invectives! Gadzooks. Now you have me all atwitter, GI Joe!

First off, desparaging words were from your own lips...as to boxing ears, you had best be able to stand your own grounds, first.

As to a quick tongue, that doesn't also equate to knowledge of personal development or principals of leadership...I'll just rest your Jerry Jones case, here and now, without further side bar.

Then, enjoy the rest of my popcorn...carry on.

 

[CCBoy]

So, you don't know.

One can't bullcrap high ground of insight...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Never thought I would hear ill of the wife from you, but there one goes. Times works differently on different people..sorry, but I don't think calling a buzzard a peafowl works, even with the march of time.

Nope, never was a ring tapper of any sort...but you go.

This kid, Gregory, has potential, even if his head is stuck in an outhouse worth of crap. Just like Haley. Oh, and I AM old enough to remember...

Now tell me that is Tequila!

Can it for at least an hour! It's rugby time on the BBC! The boys from Manchester are in no mood to make nice with the rogues from Liverpool!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

First off, desparaging words were from your own lips...as to boxing ears, you had best be able to stand your own grounds, first.

As to a quick tongue, that doesn't also equate to knowledge of personal development or principals of leadership...I'll just rest your Jerry Jones case, here and now, without further side bar.

Then, enjoy the rest of my popcorn...carry on.

I told you to can it while I watch rugby, mate!

 

[CCBoy]

I told you to can it while I watch rugby, mate!

So, you ever play rugby. I did, on the Fort Polk rugby team. We played in an open Tournament in Little Rock, Ark. We were losing a game to a bunch of 'bad arsed' wannabe's. Then one took a swing at our Captain, and we wiped the field with them...perhaps you meant soccer.

p.s.-finding oneself at the same unchanged drawing board a lot?

 

[Alexander]

I don't see what the issue is, really. There are lots of reasons why players fail. Sometimes it physical. Sometimes it's emotional. Sometimes it's mental--as in, an inability to grasp the offense or process information quickly enough. Sometimes it's a breakdown of sorts. I don't see where it matters all that much what the reason for failure is. They aren't excuses.

When it becomes a trend that is repeated, there is always a tendency to turn them into excuses. That dumb player, can't fix stupid, etc.

If the team invests continually in the injured and/or stupid etc., fans will then turn towards blaming the persons themselves when it does not work out. Then it becomes an excuse. And from what I observe, our front office often starts thinking like fans as well.

How about focusing on the symptoms before it becomes chronic and simply avoid the symptomatic?

In Randle's case, when they released him they indicated that he had bigger problems than his job to worry about, and they extended the resources of the team to help him out where they could. It wasn't normal. Jerry publicly said he had concerns for his mental state when they first suspended him. Then there was that weird thing where JR called police to his girlfriend's house because he said he was paranoid and concerned for her safety. On top of the 4-5 arrests. Whatever the condition was, it appears to have gotten progressively worse.

And that really does not matter. If the idea was to keep what is most important intact, releasing Randle after

Zero tolerance policy for things inherently stupid would be my motto. One strike, you better have Hall of Fame talent to avoid the waiver wire.

Brent drove drunk and killed someone. This is after multiple violations in college. He got another at bat. Again, another marginal talent that did not deserve it.

He was always a nut, that's clear. Garrett was commenting on the personality quirks his freshman year during camp. But the condition obviously has gotten worse the last two years. The arrests, for example, are a recent thing.

I would not have entertained much beyond the shoplifting and his lack of remorse thereafter. And we still brought him back after the Wichita situation. And then there was the blatant bonehead mistakes on the field also.

Obviously, the guy is spiraling out of control. This doesn't look like a story with a happy ending. I don't see a particular need to be critical of how the team handled any of it, though. He was a talented back, they thought could be successful in a rotation behind this OL. He was, until he started to lose it, at which point the suspended him and eventually released him. They guys they replaced him with were productive, and that's really all there is to the story.

He quite simply was like another Josh Brent. The other one finally quit before our hand was forced.

I agree with you that the Gregory thing is an example of the team whiffing on a big risk they took on a player again, for the record. That was a high profile pick at a high profile position who's already working himself out of the league in year 2. It's not the same thing as a 3rd year role player unraveling mentally the way Randle has.

Gregory's brand of ignorance appears to be drugs, but that might his coping mechanism. The circumstances are not the same, but the general moral of the story is that they do not have to be.

 

[Idgit]

So, you don't know.

No, I told you to look it up yourself. And then I told you why.

 

[Alexander]

That's on you if you take every word "literally" from anyone who has to address the media.

Actions speak louder than words. He still started the season as the primary back. A simple fact.

Even if they were worried and lied publicly, there was the delusion he would suddenly become reliable and well, less stupid and insane.

 

[Junglist]

No, I told you to look it up yourself. And then I told you why.

 

[KJJ]

Randle was part of a bad 2013 draft class that saw only Travis Frederick turn into a solid player.