Josh Brent Questions

[Chocolate Lab]

He's a good player. I liked him a lot. Hard to prove because he plays a very non-glamorous position that doesn't produce a lot of stats, but he has a lot of power and would easily be our physically strongest inside player.

That said, I can't believe we're thinking of giving him a chance to come back, which listening to Jerry we clearly are.

 

[jterrell]

various:

1. precedent is there for manslaughter cases. he will be back if he wants to be.
2. brent was a very good young run stuffing DT. he would have quite easily started for us pre-prison.
3. dallas would be very wise to work with brent and assist him on returning to the league.
a. his returning creates wealth that can be used to raise Brown's daughter.
b. it benefits dallas with a low salary, quality DT that requires only a no risk commitment.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've watched every game that Josh Brent played for Dallas and the sad irony is that game against the Eagles before the crash was his best game as a pro. He was developing into a solid starter and just had a fantastic game, so the upside looked like it was definitely there. IN the 4-3, I see him as a 1-tech that could be solid against the run and drawing some double teams.

Problem is that a year off is tough to come back from.

Lastly, the statement that he 'murdered' his friend is ludicrous.





YR

 

[erod]

I've watched every game that Josh Brent played for Dallas and the sad irony is that game against the Eagles before the crash was his best game as a pro. He was developing into a solid starter and just had a fantastic game, so the upside looked like it was definitely there. IN the 4-3, I see him as a 1-tech that could be solid against the run and drawing some double teams.

Problem is that a year off is tough to come back from.

Lastly, the statement that he 'murdered' his friend is ludicrous.





YR

Almost two years. At that size, he might not be in football shape until the offseason.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The mother of the player who accidentally died as a result of their (both Brent's and the victim's) actions forgave Brent. Yes, Brent should not have been driving while intoxicated and at an excessive speed. The victim should not have rode in the car knowing the driver was impaired (or most likely could have been) and not wearing a seatbelt.

Since the mother forgave him and the mother wants Brent to play again, that is enough for me. Let it go. I would not mind if Brent came back with the Cowboys.

 

[jterrell]

Almost two years. At that size, he might not be in football shape until the offseason.

larry allen wasn't in shape the last 10 years of his career.

these monstrously big guys operate in small areas and get in shape playing.
he couldn't handle more than run stuffing duties for a while but i doubt he would have trouble with those given his natural size and strength.

he probably never has pro bowl type impact because he isn't that type of athlete but he can be a kevin williams type run stuffer.

 

[LandryFan]

I wouldn't call it murder either.

But the guy did drive drunk, which he knows most certainly can raise the chances that he has an accident and kills someone. He also got drunk, which was obviously done knowingly, so lets not pretend like the guy just did something that he didn't realize had any chance of happening.

I understand the logic behind both sides on this one. My personal take is that what he did, many of us could have done but by the grace of God, didn't. I'm older now... have grand kids, am educated, have a good job, nice home and family...but in my younger, immature days, I did drive drunk. Again by the grace of God, I didn't get caught or hurt anyone. I don't recall ever setting out to get drunk and drive, but I did. It's not my place to judge. I just hope he gets his life in order and has learned from that whole mess. If he ends up playing again, then it was meant to be. If not, it was meant to be. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Stash]

never saw anything in his football ability worth all this

^
This.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I have taken a stand on Brent. I think he revoked his right to play in this league. Others have a differing point of view.

I heard today Jerry said he sees the contrition in this man. Jerry would know more than me.

Fisher said he thinks Jerry and the Cowboys have a good case to suggest Brent sat out a year. That this could sway Goodell in allowing him to come back soon.

While I think Fisher is somewhat like Spagnola, he will not bite the hand that feeds him. He knows more than me.

So, it appears Brent may get another shot at pro ball.

My questions are this. How good was this guy before he murdered his friend by a very poor decision? Discount his lay-off, just what was his ceiling and where was he in relationship to that ceiling?

Can he makes this squad?

If he's got a little somethin' somethin', what can this team expect this year?

It's not my place to judge him, so I will let it go. But this team has stuck with him to a degree, and it appears there is a reason.

I'm curious to know what that is.

I would like to co-sign this and send you an honorariam.

Get this. From the mouf of Jerra: "He (Brent) can be an example to all."

I do not want that example for me, my fam, any kid who adores the NFL and its players.
What makes Brent so special? He make a decsion to drive with twice the legal limit of alcohol and then decided to speed. Then his actions kilt his friend.

A marginal player from the start, he is rusty. He is a convicted felon. He relapsed during his earlier court supervision.
He has not worked out as far as ah know with a reputable trainer or in a reputable program.
He is nothing.
Save his spot for a young, hungry guy who play by the rules on the field and off. Save your admiration for people like Romo, Witten, Smith, Dez etc. who show up and give their all.
Josh Brent is an embarrassment. If that what Jerra wants, then his age is beginning to show.
Brent is a example alright. A example of stupidity, relapsing and rust.

 

[casmith07]

I wouldn't call it murder either.

But the guy did drive drunk, which he knows most certainly can raise the chances that he has an accident and kills someone. He also got drunk, which was obviously done knowingly, so lets not pretend like the guy just did something that he didn't realize had any chance of happening.

Point to where I said that we were pretending any of that.

 

[burmafrd]

larry allen wasn't in shape the last 10 years of his career.

these monstrously big guys operate in small areas and get in shape playing.
he couldn't handle more than run stuffing duties for a while but i doubt he would have trouble with those given his natural size and strength.

he probably never has pro bowl type impact because he isn't that type of athlete but he can be a kevin williams type run stuffer.

You are full of crap about LA. Now after his injury he was nowhere near as mobile but before that he certainly WAS in shape and a terror.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

and I could care less what Brown's mother wants. Or frankly what any victim's family wants. Harsh that is, but it should not matter to either justice or anything else.

Rawrum!
Like Ray Rice's wife saying she forgive him. That don't matter to police or the court system and that is the way it should be.
But though the victim's mother half forgiven Josh Brent, I keep hoping for a settlement that would half Brent pay her a amount ever month for the rest of his life. A life that he half and the victim no longer half.

 

[justbob]

This will not be a thread of arguing murderer or not.And the leash on most of the discussion will be short.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

larry allen wasn't in shape the last 10 years of his career.

these monstrously big guys operate in small areas and get in shape playing.
he couldn't handle more than run stuffing duties for a while but i doubt he would have trouble with those given his natural size and strength.

he probably never has pro bowl type impact because he isn't that type of athlete but he can be a kevin williams type run stuffer.

So with that reasoning, I say let the O line take the month off.

 

[silver]

Considering Hayden posted zero sacks last year and was part of the worst defense in the league starting in all 16 games, adding Brent couldn't hurt.

 

[xwalker]

I have taken a stand on Brent. I think he revoked his right to play in this league. Others have a differing point of view.

I heard today Jerry said he sees the contrition in this man. Jerry would know more than me.

Fisher said he thinks Jerry and the Cowboys have a good case to suggest Brent sat out a year. That this could sway Goodell in allowing him to come back soon.

While I think Fisher is somewhat like Spagnola, he will not bite the hand that feeds him. He knows more than me.

So, it appears Brent may get another shot at pro ball.

My questions are this. How good was this guy before he murdered his friend by a very poor decision? Discount his lay-off, just what was his ceiling and where was he in relationship to that ceiling?

Can he makes this squad?

If he's got a little somethin' somethin', what can this team expect this year?

It's not my place to judge him, so I will let it go. But this team has stuck with him to a degree, and it appears there is a reason.

I'm curious to know what that is.

If you think Brent should be further punished, then take it up with the legal system. You could make an argument that his punishment was to lenient.

Having said that, once he's served his time, then he should be allowed to move forward in life. Releasing people from prison only to restrict their employment opportunities is just setting up society for more problems. The best thing for society is to have past criminals getting employment to the best of their abilities.

IMO, if he returns to football, it would be better for him and for the Cowboys if he played for another team.

In regards to his ability, I don't know if he is a good fit in Marinelli's defense. He seems to be the best fit as an NT in a 3-4 defense. He was a very powerful player, but his quickness wasn't what you typically expect to see in a Marinelli type DL. He played at over 320. I guess it's possible that he could keep his weight down and get a little quicker, but that's a big "if" after all this time.

I expect him to get a suspension. The key is that I don't think he can start the suspension until a team signs him. It will be difficult for him to get signed by a team if they have to then wait on him to serve his suspension. The Cowboys might "sign" him such that he can serve his suspension. They could decide after his suspension if they wanted to move him to the roster or release him. Even if they release him, he would have served his suspension which would make it easier for him to get signed by another team.

Without or without the suspension, I don't see him being physically ready to play football. They league might allow the Cowboys to put him on the NFI list which would allow him to workout at the team's facilities under their guidance.

I don't really think Jerry's primary motivation for trying to help Brent is because of his possible ability to play football again. Jerry's seems to really want to help him get his life together. I just don't see an NFL owner going to all of this trouble to get back a guy that was not a Star player.

 

[Angus12]

My questions are this. How good was this guy before he murdered his friend by a very poor decision?

Good post up until you felt the need to throw in this over the top hyperbole. I have read quite a few of your posts before, and always thought you were a well informed, intelligent person. If you dont know the definition of murder, maybe I was wrong.

Its not my place to judge him.

Yet, that's exactly what you did.

 

[jterrell]

You are full of crap about LA. Now after his injury he was nowhere near as mobile but before that he certainly WAS in shape and a terror.

Wrong... every year in TC they ran 110 yard wind sprints.
Larry Allen would be with the pack on the first one.
After that he'd usually be last by 50 yards or more.

This was relayed via an interview with Jason Garrett a couple days ago about how they were changing the conditioning test to make it about 40 yard sprints.

Larry Allen was by far the most powerful guy in football, but he was not in any cardio shape at all.
He worked out in Coppell at the health club on a treadmill moving quite slowly.
I saw him with my own eyes struggle through 20 minutes of low impact cardio that a fat kid could have blazed through.

If you are going to call someone full of crap it is helpful to have a friggin clue as to what you are talking about.

 

[jterrell]

So with that reasoning, I say let the O line take the month off.

Most OL take a lot more than 1 month off.
They get in shape in camp and during games which is exactly what I suggest any 320 pound guy would go.
They didn't get 320 running wind sprints in the off-season. --ok except maybe Tyron who is a freak of nature.

Guys like Nate and Larry Allen didn't need cardio work to do their jobs.
They needed to get in football shape which is well below most sports, especially for linemen but much more about abuse of the body physically via contact.

 

[jazzcat22]

Rawrum!
Like Ray Rice's wife saying she forgive him. That don't matter to police or the court system and that is the way it should be.
But though the victim's mother half forgiven Josh Brent, I keep hoping for a settlement that would half Brent pay her a amount ever month for the rest of his life. A life that he half and the victim no longer half.

I believe it's standard that he must pay restitution to the family. In this case Brown's daughter will get monthly payments from Brent, until paid in full. Whatever that amount that was determined by the courts.