Julius Jones vs Tony Romo

[stealth]

In his insulting way he's implying that Parcells thinks he knows more about running the football than Jones and more about QB'ing than Romo.

Parcells may understand everything about the positions and how they interact with the team and the situation, but he's never played those positions and should defer to the instincts of his players.

Sean Payton trusted Marques Colston and was rewarded for it. Bill Parcells definitely changed Julius Jones and he's in the process of changing Tony Romo. Romo, thankfully, has the "moxie" to resist.

This is why I want young, clued-in coaches. Parcells looks at Marion Barber and sees Ottis Anderson. He sees DeMarcus Ware and imagines Lawrence Taylor. He sees George Martin in Marcus Spears. That's ********-- these are all different players with differing strengths. Don't transform the players to fit the scheme, transform the scheme to fit the players and everyone will be a lot happier.

By not doing so, Parcells leaves the impression that he's a dinosaur unwilling to evolve.

umm there is absolutely nothing that parcells has doen with ware remotely similar to LT. You are spouting off anti-parcells rhetoric and its factless. Its just how you have decided things are.

 

[Cochese]

I'm sick of these completely ignorant people that blame Parcells for JuJo's shortcomings.

Nah, it couldn't just be that that's what JuJo is, a RB that'll have a huge game once in a while, but for the most part is average at best. Nah, JuJo was destined for GREATNESS till Parcells ruined him.

 

[DipChit]

This is why I want young, clued-in coaches. Parcells looks at Marion Barber and sees Ottis Anderson. He sees DeMarcus Ware and imagines Lawrence Taylor. He sees George Martin in Marcus Spears. That's ********-- these are all different players with differing strengths. Don't transform the players to fit the scheme, transform the scheme to fit the players and everyone will be a lot happier.

By not doing so, Parcells leaves the impression that he's a dinosaur unwilling to evolve.

But when you say transorm the scheme to fit the players.. A) I imagine you're talking relatively subtle things right.. and B) do you suppose thats an easier approach to take on defense rather than offense?

What I'm trying to say is isnt it true that most coaches in history who have had any degree of continued success..whether it was 3 years ago or 30 years ago.. tend to always stick with the same scheme and approach for better or worse? Except maybe in the very rare examples where you get a player that happens to be an all-timer like a Marino.

3-4 guys stay 3-4 guys and WCO guys stay WCO guys and so on. They haveta try and transform players into that because thats what they run. Or find players that are more suited to it instead.

Although yeah, they can tweak it a lil bit. They can play defense a lil more aggressively (or passively) than they otherwise might.. or a WCO guy could run the ball a lil more (or less) than they otherwise might depending on the specific players they have.

Heck we even see some of that with BP but it's on offense rather than defense. He's been known both to pound it or air it out depending on his personnel.

But in any event, lets not act like doing any of it isnt easier said than done.. like anything else sports.

Sure every year theres some new guy or 2 that comes on the scene and we say "See.. *he* gets it!!" cause he wins big his 1st or 2nd year. See Mr. Payton.

But how come we rarely ever revisit those guys a few years down the road? Billick winning it all in year 2 then basically being .500 for 5 years. Gruden winning it all year 1 then being well under .500 after the next 4. Fox getting there then being on a yo-yo ever since. Mora Jr. getting to the NFC Champ game year 1 then getting canned after 2 .500 seasons.

Is it because we're just too focused on whats happening in the current year?

And what went wrong with those guys in the first place.. how could they go from "getting it" to apparently "not having it" so quick?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Perhaps my delivery was insulting. But I am sick of it. All the cute slick press conferences....all the mousetraps haning from the ceilings...all the cliches about "annointing oil" or "bus rides to Canton" or "2 sides to that pancake" "eating the cheese"....I am tired of it. Are offensive line sucked when he got here and it still does. We could not get to the QB when he got here and we still can't. I think someone posted a thread the othere day that stated 2 teams in the NFC have not won a playoff game in the last 10 years...one was the Lions..guess who the other teams is. Those are the facts folks. And so excuse making for this regime is tired old. Sure, we went through a transition period after dominating and winning Super Bowls...but that time shoudl have been over like yesterday. Parcells is not getting the same paycheck as Campo. Parcells has more cap room than Campo had. Parcells has 1st round picks and Campo did not. Parcells has shopped for the groceries. Parcells has brought every player to Dallas except Roy, Greg and I think Gurode. Other coaches are getting it done in 1 or 2 years with a lot less money, talent and credentials.

I am sick of it and I am sick of the fetal position he has the Cowboys in. We are waiting with baited breath for him to sprinkle his bs all over this team another year. Losing a 2 game lead with 4 to go....and 3 of the 4 are at home should have sealed his fate. But no, we are hoping and praying that he comes back to us...and he is eating it all up.

He can take his con act back to the Jersey shore and we shoudl get somebody in here that will get these cats ballin.

 

[Rampage]

We all receall Julius Jones burst on the scene like a rocket...then Bill Parcells, with all of his experience as a NFL running back TOLD him how to run the football, now he is Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads

Is there any chance that Tony Romo takes a nosedive next year after Parcells spends the summer schooling him on the finer points of playing QB? Because you know in addition to being a HOF running back...Parcells was also a fine, fine QB!

wow, i wish i didn't just read that

 

[Idgit]

First of all...for all you people that have a heart attack when someone is critical of Parcells....GET OVER IT!!! The results speak for themselves.

And for those who want to shake shots at my football acumen...get over it. There are PLENTY of people who HAVE PLAYED THE GAME for the COWBOYS that have made the same accusations against Parcells and how he overcoaches players. How many times was there an opportunity for JuJo to bounce a run outside and he ran up the bak of his OL. Creativity and spontaneity are characteristics of all great back. Is Julius great? No! But he is not a banger or a bruiser therefore he shoudl take more chances to increase his chances at big plays.

And how many more subtle hints do some of you rock heads need to figure out that Parcells basically roped Romo in against the Seahawks? How many more sublte hints does Zimmer need to drop for some of you realize that Parcells controlled the scheme that was run. How many more TDs do the Saints need to score for some of you realize Payton can put points on the board in bunches. Wake up some of you!!!!

'Voices in your head' do not equal 'plenty of people who have played the game for the Cowboys.'

How many real holes to you see on this team? Interior OL. Pass protection from ILBs in the last third of the season. FS? Apparently, RB, which is absurd. We've plugged up a lot of problems this year, and fielded a team that was within a player or two of a possible NFC championship game. (Yes, Bears fans). We've got cap space for FA. We've got more than a full complement of draft picks. We've got good players all over our roster. What's so wrong with wanting to get better incrementally? And how can you really blame our coach for putting us in the present situation?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

'Voices in your head' do not equal 'plenty of people who have played the game for the Cowboys.'

How many real holes to you see on this team? Interior OL. Pass protection from ILBs in the last third of the season. FS? Apparently, RB, which is absurd. We've plugged up a lot of problems this year, and fielded a team that was within a player or two of a possible NFC championship game. (Yes, Bears fans). We've got cap space for FA. We've got more than a full complement of draft picks. We've got good players all over our roster. What's so wrong with wanting to get better incrementally? And how can you really blame our coach for putting us in the present situation?

Look...to each his own...but in Parcells words "you are what you record say's you are"

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

That Parcells will do it everytime! I think he needs to retire!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

And if we are as close as so many of you think we are...then why the heck is Parcells waffling about coming back? This past year all the cards fell into place. We were pretty much injury free. I mean Julius Jones AND Terry Glenn suited up for 16 games. Our OL suited up for 16 games. We played the AFC division with the Texans, Titans, Jags and Colts (winning 3). We have the division with the Bills, Pats, Jets and Dolphins next year and all of us know that division is much stronger. We had a divison lead and Philly was without their starting QB. I mean things cannot have been much more in place for us to get something done. Parcells was in his vaunted 4th year...look, sometimes things were not meant to be. It is time to move on. Parcells has got the organization back to respectabilty, but I truly believe he has take us as far as he can.

 

[silverbear]

I'm sick of these completely ignorant people that blame Parcells for JuJo's shortcomings.

C'mon, Rack, don't you know that Parcells has a 6-6-6 birthmark on his scalp??

In addition, I have photographic evidence that he's personally responsible for global warming... and I'm pretty sure he poisoned my dog...

What I find sourly amusing about all the Parcells bashing is how utterly devoid of direction this team was before he came along... apparently the critics of today don't remember back that far...

While Parcells has his warts, at least now this team has a clear direction, a game plan for getting better... I feel confident that if we're patient just a bit longer, our patience will be rewarded with a serious contender...

 

[silverbear]

Its every bit as possible that BP does affect certain players negatively. Is that any less likely?

If you're such a candya$$ that you can't deal with a coach who's constantly giving you grief, you have no business in the NFL in the first place...

I've had coaches who were pat on the back motivator types, and I've had coaches who were kick in the butt motivator types... what I found was that the Bobby Knight wannabes could always get the most out of me...

I rather suspect it's that way with any true COMPETITOR, and that the coaches who employ those techniques are trying to find that sort of competitive streak in a player... maybe that's what they mean when they talk about a "Parcells player"-- a tough guy who wants to win more than the other guy does... Walt Garrison and Bill Bates could have been Parcells players...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm sick of these completely ignorant people that blame Parcells for JuJo's shortcomings.

Nah, it couldn't just be that that's what JuJo is, a RB that'll have a huge game once in a while, but for the most part is average at best. Nah, JuJo was destined for GREATNESS till Parcells ruined him.

that's funny, since you're a GROZ supporter, and the mantra is Zimmer dumbed down our defenders

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bill Parcells definitely changed Julius Jones and he's in the process of changing Tony Romo. Romo, thankfully, has the "moxie" to resist.

are you kidding me? Bill is only asking Romo to be smart w/ the football and less careless w/ it, he even said that he doesn't want Romo to stop doing what he does best, be a playmaker, just don't do too much to cough up the football

and on the Julius subject, it's not BP, and it's not all on the line, many a times Julius got into the open field and boom, ran smack into a safety, in fact, BP mentioned several times in PCs that he wanted Julius to make safeties miss to not leave yards on the field, the only thing BP told Julius to do, which started this ridiculous notion, was not to go east-west in the backfield, risking a negative play, which is good teaching, considering our Oline has a habit of being pushed back into the backfield

and just look at how MBIII runs, he cuts outside in the backfield because once he makes that outside cut, he's bursting towards the hole unlike JJ's penchant for cutting outside, which was to dance around in the backfield, notice how BP isn't preaching to MBIII about not risking a negative play, because he hardly is stopped in the backfield w/ his style of running, in fact JJ should go and talk to MBIII and get some pointers, all the things BP is preaching for JJ to do, are things that MBIII is doing

 

[silverbear]

I have to agree. Julius isn't LT, but he's still the first 1000 yard rusher we've had in a LONG time. I'll take his grand over MBIII's 5 touches a game anyday.

Even with our porous OL, he still ran for the thousand. Not too shabby for a RB you guys want to run out of town. How many "average" thousand yard rushers are there? He's not elite, but he's a good RB. I'll take him over Eddie George, Troy Hambrick, and yes, even an aging Emmitt Smith, anyday.

OL, my friends ... fix the OL, and you'll see Julius crank out another 200-300 yards next season.

A very, very good post, Eddie...

Bottom line, Julius has played in 37 games thus far in his NFL career, starting 35 of them, and has 2896 yards rushing to this point, an average of 4.0 yards per carry... that's nearly 80 yards per game (78.3, actually), which works out to 1250 yards per 16 games played... he's also had 61 catches, for 469 yards, giving him 3365 yards of total offense in those 37 games, or 90.9 yards per game, 1450 yards a season...

In any of the 3 years of Julius' career, a 1250 yard season rushing would have ranked Julius in the top 10 in the league (anywhere between 8th and 10th, depending on the year)... that's exactly how I see Julius at this point, as a back with the potential to be one of the ten best in the league...

And these numbers have been put up while running behind an offensive line that is not good by NFL standards, a line even we Cowboys fans have routinely criticized... as you note, give him a good line to run behind, and we can reasonably expect even better numbers... he'll probably never be an Emmitt, will probably never lead the league in rushing (or even finish in the top 3), but I'll be quite happy to keep him around if he can give the team a steady 1200 yards rushing each year...

 

[silverbear]

First of all...for all you people that have a heart attack when someone is critical of Parcells....GET OVER IT!!! The results speak for themselves.

Yes, they do... Parcells took over a team that was coming off three consecutive 5-11 seasons, and in 4 years has posted a 34-30 record, had 3 seasons over .500, and made the playoffs twice...

D*MN him, for ruining my favorite team that way...

And for those who want to shake shots at my football acumen...

What football acumen might that be?? So far, all I've seen from you is savage criticism of a coach who has demonstrably improved the Dallas Cowboys, and has them on the verge of being a serious contender-- all while being responsible when it comes to the salary cap...

How many times was there an opportunity for JuJo to bounce a run outside and he ran up the bak of his OL.

And you're suggesting that he's doing this because Parcells has trained him to do so??

Got any evidence to back up that ridiculous assertion??

And how many more subtle hints do some of you rock heads need to figure out that Parcells basically roped Romo in against the Seahawks?

When does YOUR rock head figure out WHY he might have done that??

Here's a hint-- maybe, just maybe, he was worried sick about an extremely vulnerable secondary on his own team, and trying to keep the ball out of the Seahawks' hands (thereby minimizing their opportunities to victimize that secondary) by controlling the time of possession... and maybe, just maybe, he got more and more into that mindset when the running game started working so well...

Yeah, you make a great Monday morning quarterback, but the plain truth is, his approach ALMOST worked, indeed it should have worked... and if it had, it's a stone guarantee that you would not now be in here b*tching about the tactical approach he took toward that game...

To attack the Seahawks' banged-up secondary might have worked, but it would almost certainly have resulted in a shootout, as the Seahawks would have had more opportunities to go after OUR vulnerable secondary...

Wake up some of you!!!!

You first, rock head...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you're such a candya$$ that you can't deal with a coach who's constantly giving you grief, you have no business in the NFL in the first place...

it's funny, since all former Parcells' players, and current ones, always bring up Parcells pushing them as being commendable, and one of his strongest coaching traits, today was just reading in the Sporting News, Ware being asked what stands out about Parcells, and him responding that it was BP getting on them so they could be the best, and then how he treats them like they are his children, and is really nice and personable to them off the field, and how he gives them pointers about life in general

but I would really like to hear examples of players under BP living miserable existences where it's affecting them on the field

 

[Rack]

that's funny, since you're a GROZ supporter, and the mantra is Zimmer dumbed down our defenders

Zimmer has 7 years worth of players to prove me right.


With Parcells, the only complaint is JuJo.


People seem to think JuJo would be a superstar if not for Parcells. That's BS. JuJo is what he is... a streaky runningback.

 

[silverbear]

In his insulting way he's implying that Parcells thinks he knows more about running the football than Jones and more about QB'ing than Romo.

And I'll bet he does...

Can you think of any specific criticism that he's levelled toward either Julius or Tony that is invalid??

Parcells may understand everything about the positions and how they interact with the team and the situation, but he's never played those positions and should defer to the instincts of his players.

Sorry, I don't agree-- Romo IS a little too reckless with the ball, and he'll need to get that under control if he hopes to have long-term success in the NFL... and Julius WAS a bit too prone to "dance" with the ball, looking to break a big play every time, when on some plays his best bet was to just get what he could and not risk losing yardage...

Now, it may be that Julius has taken Parcells' criticisms a bit too much to heart, and has gotten too tentative... but if that's the case, it's his problem, not Parcells'... IOW, it's something he needs to work past... Parcells can help in this, but he can't do it for his player...

Sean Payton trusted Marques Colston and was rewarded for it. Bill Parcells definitely changed Julius Jones and he's in the process of changing Tony Romo. Romo, thankfully, has the "moxie" to resist.

What, you think that Payton didn't make any changes in Colston's game??

I find that highly unlikely...

Parcells leaves the impression that he's a dinosaur unwilling to evolve.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it... and Parcells' way has worked everywhere he's gone-- including Dallas...

If you're just hungering for young coaching, I reckon I can understand that... but Dave Campo and Chan Gailey were "young coaching", and I do not have fond memories of their tenures in Dallas... so I'm not as fired up about the Boys going after the flavor du jour as you are... gimme my druthers, and I'll be hoping that Jerry goes after Bill Cowher next offseason...

Gimme the guy who's won before, the one with a proven record...

 

[WarC]

Absolutely JJ lost a lot of his vision and shakiness. He DOES tuck the ball and take it right up the gut where he used to juke and jive and pull some fancy crap. That is absolutely a result of the coaching he has received in this league.

If people don't notice that, they haven't been paying attention. The RB position is my favorite in football and I've watched the Cowboys RBs like a hawk since Smith came into town.

JJ of 2004 was a much more elusive back than the JJ of 2005 and 2006. Absolutely.

What else could it be but coaching? I clearly remember Parcells harping on JJ after the 2004 season and reading about Parcells correcting JJ during training camp reports and practices. Parcells says it himself that he prefers a back that sticks out the tough, guarenteed yards instead of running parallel. He has said it himself that he has a "one cut" philosophy when it comes to running the ball.

Take a look at some of JJ's highlight videos from 2004 and compare it to either year since - He is not the same back.

Two things could have caused that: his shoulder and ankle injuries, or coaching. Judging by the fact that he now seeks contact where once he avoided it, I'd say it is coaching.

 

[silverbear]

Perhaps my delivery was insulting.

Naw, what's insulting about callin' somebody a "rock head"...

But I am sick of it.

Terrific-- now tell me why I should CARE... you see, I'm already gettin' pretty sick of you...

And so excuse making for this regime is tired old. Sure, we went through a transition period after dominating and winning Super Bowls...but that time shoudl have been over like yesterday.

And it's Parcells' fault that it isn't?? I guess he's responsible for those 3 straight 5-11 seasons under Campo...

The Dallas Cowboys have gotten steadily better since Bill Parcells took over control of the team... that is an undeniable fact, one supported by the bottom line (the won/loss record)...

Yeah, I'm disappointed at the way the team went in the tank the end of this season, and I hold the coaching somewhat responsible for that... but at the same time, I see real improvement in the team, and honestly believe they're just a coupla players away from being one of the best teams in the league...

Parcells has more cap room than Campo had. Parcells has 1st round picks and Campo did not. Parcells has shopped for the groceries.

And as a result, our roster is more talented that it was... MUCH more talented, in fact... the Boys have gotten rave reviews for their offseason moves that last coupla seasons...

But of course, those FACTS don't really fit into your little tirade, do they??

Other coaches are getting it done in 1 or 2 years with a lot less money, talent and credentials.

Name them...

He can take his con act back to the Jersey shore

Or maybe you should help yourself to a nice steaming cup o' ****...

and we shoudl get somebody in here that will get these cats ballin.[/QUOTE]