Just a random thought about Spencer

[casmith07]

You people were obviously not paying attention to the early games of 2009 when Spencer could not register a single sack and boatloads of Cowboys fans wanted Ellis back or him gone. Premature evaluation struck again.

Oh I was there - facepalming like I was getting paid to do it

 

[Doomsday101]

To be honest I had major doubts about Spencer heading into last season. I was glad to see him come on strong this past season and look forward to an even better season this coming year considering the slow start to this past year.

 

[21Savage]

I can live with that....and I'll enjoy knowing that you're obviously not capable of a rational discussion.

Rational discussion? Lol. This coming from the person who started his post with (those who have an opinion contrary to mine) are borderline stupid.

From this post, I get:

1. I know nothing about football because I don't agree with you. (Interesting logic you have there)

2. Ware is never double teamed on run plays: he's hardly ever double teamed on run plays. Maybe, Hos or some of the more respected football minds here can attest to some of my assertions.

3. NT's and DE's are the only players to ever be double teamed or chipped on running plays: in a 3-4 defense, primarily, yes.

4. Ware doesn't free up Spencer: on run downs, no he doesn't. Spencer doesn't free up Ware either.

5. The only players Ware and Spencer come into contact with are DT's and TE's. I wonder how you took TEs and tackles to mean DTs and TEs. Lol. We're really going to have this rational discussion about football. And yes, 95% of the time, both of those guys are going up against a TE or a tackle.

6. There were times that Spencer was double teamed as well. (astounding observation!) Comprehension is key. There were times when Spencer was double teamed INSTEAD. Meaning : that he was double teamed while Ware was single teamed.

7. If I don't go back and watch the games to see what is painfully obvious to most football fans, then you won't talk to me anymore. It is ridiculous to say that the individual battles at the LOS on every play are painfully obvious to even the most trained eye. What is film watching for then? If it's not a sack or a huge tackle for loss, most people don't notice it. You have to go back, watch each play, each line player, and rewind back and forth several times. Most people won't be able to stand that; I love doing it :

8. You're superior knowledge of football is not to be questioned.

9. You have sand in your ****** At least you got one right .

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[Bob Sacamano]

What makes me the most giddy is that his game against Minnesota was better than any game Ware's ever played for the Cowboys.

That's a bold statement but if you don't believe, just watch the game again and focus on him throughout the game. It was like he was possessed. He kept trash talking, getting in their faces, but more importantly, making plays at the line.

I haven't seen anything like it from a defensive end/OLB. Shincoe, Kleinsasser and their full back were just shaking their head the whole game about how they couldn't stop him. There were at least 4 holds on him that weren't called.

I think the fact that Ware was on the opposite side drawing attention, while most of Ware's games have been him being the only real threat.

 

[21Savage]

You people were obviously not paying attention to the early games of 2009 when Spencer could not register a single sack and boatloads of Cowboys fans wanted Ellis back or him gone. Premature evaluation struck again.

What exactly is the evaluation that's taken place in this thread?

That one of his games was better than any I've seen Ware play? That he might've played better than Ware in the second half of the season, by virtue of Ware being injured?


Or that he's a wayyyyyyyyyyyy better player than Demarcus Ware is and will ever be?

You never know

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You people were obviously not paying attention to the early games of 2009 when Spencer could not register a single sack and boatloads of Cowboys fans wanted Ellis back or him gone. Premature evaluation struck again.

Weren't you on of the guys saying not to panic about Roy Williams? There were a bunch of you at least.

It's a 2-way street.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Weren't you on of the guys saying not to panic about Roy Williams? There were a bunch of you at least.

It's a 2-way street.

I was one!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was one!

lol people who homer it up are just as bad as the knee-jerkers.

 

[casmith07]

Weren't you on of the guys saying not to panic about Roy Williams? There were a bunch of you at least.

It's a 2-way street.

It's not a 2-way street at all, Bob. There's a huge difference between saying:

1) "I think the Roy Williams experiment might be near over in Dallas; if he can't produce this year, we should start to look for a replacement."

and

2) "OMG WHAT A BUM HE DOWNFIELD BLOCKS AWESOME HAHAHA HOS YOU'RE DELUSIONAL GET OVER YOURSELF HAHAHA HE SUCKS OMGZ."*


*Paraphrasing.

 

[Hostile]

What exactly is the evaluation that's taken place in this thread?

That one of his games was better than any I've seen Ware play? That he might've played better than Ware in the second half of the season, by virtue of Ware being injured?


Or that he's a wayyyyyyyyyyyy better player than Demarcus Ware is and will ever be?

You never know

That is irrelevant to the evaluation that took place in 2009 labeling him a bust?

Or was that "premature evaluation" as I already labeled it?

 

[21Savage]

I think the fact that Ware was on the opposite side drawing attention, while most of Ware's games have been him being the only real threat.

That will be absolutely true if I were talking about just the pass game. Spencer's never had a pass rushing game like Ware's average pass rushing game. But I'm talking about dominating the guy in front on every down, but mostly in the run game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's not a 2-way street at all, Bob. There's a huge difference between saying:

1) "I think the Roy Williams experiment might be near over in Dallas; if he can't produce this year, we should start to look for a replacement."

and

2) "OMG WHAT A BUM HE DOWNFIELD BLOCKS AWESOME HAHAHA HOS YOU'RE DELUSIONAL GET OVER YOURSELF HAHAHA HE SUCKS OMGZ."*


*Paraphrasing.

I'm talking about earlier in the season.

"...it's just a lack of timing..."

"...he's still learning the system..."

"...he contributes in other ways..."

"...but look what he did in Detroit 10 years ago..."

The true evidence was there, people just chose to ignore it.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

lol people who homer it up are just as bad as the knee-jerkers.

Well you and your bacon blue burger can just stuff it then!

 

[21Savage]

That is irrelevant to the evaluation that took place in 2009 labeling him a bust?

Or was that "premature evaluation" as I already labeled it?

Oh, I got ya. My bad

We're both in the same boat in defending the guy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That will be absolutely true if I were talking about just the pass game. Spencer's never had a pass rushing game like Ware's average pass rushing game. But I'm talking about dominating the guy in front on every down, but mostly in the run game.

Well that has always been his forte. His game is based on strength and power. Plus you have to look at their responsibilities. Ware is the Left/Weak-side OLB while Spencer is the Right/Strong-side OLB. So Spencer is asked to take on blockers in the running game more than Ware is. While Ware's game is based on pursuit.

But I do agree that Spencer was absolutely outstanding and gave us some dominating games.

 

[tomson75]

I can live with that....and I'll enjoy knowing that you're obviously not capable of a rational discussion.

Rational discussion? Lol. This coming from the person who started his post with (those who have an opinion contrary to mine) are borderline stupid.

he's hardly ever double teamed on run plays. Maybe, Hos or some of the more respected football minds here can attest to some of my assertions.

Well that would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for help. Ware is often chipped or bumped outside on run plays. It happens quite often. To think he only makes contact with one offensive player per play on run plays is ridiculous. As is the notion that he only rushes or protects one gap or zone.

3. in a 3-4 defense, primarily, yes.

Primarily? Hmm...maybe you should have said that. You think? I'd imagine they see interior linemen and RB's quite often as well...or have you forgotten that we move our linebackers around quite a bit? It happens, and it's all taken into consideration here, regardless of the need for you to make it not so, or of little importance, to support your opinion.

4. Ware doesn't free up Spencer: on run downs, no he doesn't. Spencer doesn't free up Ware either.

On run downs only? Ahhh.....another addendum...now its only run plays that are taken into consideration for OLB's in the 3-4. Makes perfect sense...or something. At least it fits fits your argument nicely.

5. The only players Ware and Spencer come into contact with are DT's and TE's. I wonder how you took TEs and tackles to mean DTs and TEs.

I mistyped. Obviously. Please do excuse me....or perhaps you could just make a rational assumption this time and realize that I meant OT.

Lol. We're really going to have this rational discussion about football. And yes, 95% of the time, both of those guys are going up against a TE or a tackle.

Another addendum... this time it's 95%. At least you're starting to admit your faults.

6. There were times that Spencer was double teamed as well. (astounding observation!) Comprehension is key. There were times when Spencer was double teamed INSTEAD. Meaning that he was double teamed while Ware was single teamed.

Uh huh....somehow I don't see where I alluded to anything otherwise. You, however, feel free to make assumptions wherever you like.....but you're right, comprehension is key...and you've failed at it again. I can see where the words "as well" could throw off even the most ardent scholars...

7. If I don't go back and watch the games to see what is painfully obvious to most football fans, then you won't talk to me anymore. It is ridiculous to say that the individual battles at the LOS on every play are painfully obvious to even the most trained eye. What is film watching for then? If it's not a sack or a huge tackle for loss, most people don't notice it. You have to go back, watch each play, each line player, and rewind back and forth several times. Most people won't be able to stand that; I love doing it

That's admirable. It really is....but if you've come to the conclusion that Spencer is a better player than Ware, you need to find a new hobby. My assertion here is that Ware (injured I'll have you...I can use addendums too) plays an entirely different position, against superior players than Spencer. He's game planned for far more, double teamed far more, and still had games where he completely took over....a fact you've chosen to ignore with your assertions.

You can choose to ignore these things if you like, but I wouldn't act so shocked when someone corrects you.

Have a nice day!

 

[Aven8]

Spencer looked like a manbeast aka LT the last part of the year...I mean that good!

But let's just agree that we have him and Ware and that's a good thing.

It's so amazing that guys post on here saying that they like this player over that player and they get bashed for thinking that. Who cares! He might be better, he might not be, but to even be discussing that he might be better then Ware is awesome for Cowboy fans!!!

2 beast and a couple of fresh pups behind them....I love it!

 

[Doomsday101]

Spencer looked like a manbeast aka LT the last part of the year...I mean that good!

But let's just agree that we have him and Ware and that's a good thing.

It's so amazing that guys post on here saying that they like this player over that player and they get bashed for thinking that. Who cares! He might be better, he might not be, but to even be discussing that he might be better then Ware is awesome for Cowboy fans!!!

2 beast and a couple of fresh pups behind them....I love it!

I agree. You don't have to rip one guy to say something good about another. I have no doubts that Ware is still the man every OC we face will focus on but with the way Spencer came on last year it will continue to be a nightmare for OC as the 2 will pose big problems for offense

 

[tomson75]

Spencer looked like a manbeast aka LT the last part of the year...I mean that good!

But let's just agree that we have him and Ware and that's a good thing.

It's so amazing that guys post on here saying that they like this player over that player and they get bashed for thinking that. Who cares! He might be better, he might not be, but to even be discussing that he might be better then Ware is awesome for Cowboy fans!!!

2 beast and a couple of fresh pups behind them....I love it!

You're right, it is a good thing for Cowboy fans.

...but if you're going to make silly assertions, I don't think its out of line for other fans to have a counter argument.

No bashing, just pointing out how undeniably insane he is.

It's all in good fun.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Why are people even saying Spencer is close to Ware? Ware is by most standards the best LB since LT, and when it is all set and done he will be regarded as the best DEFENSIVE player of all time.

Its the same as idiots who say Pepper Johnson was better than L.T; He wasn't and Spencer is'nt better than Ware.


Stop comparing Spencer to Ware, it is ridiculous.