Just about done with this organization

[DallasEast]

First let me say that I can't quit being a Cowboys fan. It's in my blood now.

But mmillman is 100% correct in his assessment.

One of the respondents here called him a "complainer" not a "problem solver". Seriously?? mmillman cannot solve this problem, neither can I. None of us can. Only one man has the ability to turn this ship around, and he's not interested (as long as TV ratings are what they are.)

Yes, I realize I'm enabling him every time I watch. I can't NOT watch. But I've significantly cut back on purchases of Cowboys paraphernalia in the last 3 or 4 years. I get mmillman's point: when we continue to support Jerry, we're enabling him....we're supporting mediocrity. If we want it to get better, the only way that will happen is for Jerry's bottom line to feel it.

Seriously.

Life is about choice. Succeed or fail, a person can try to enact change, but they must be committed in doing everything possible to get real results. That means actually DOING something that organizes MILLIONS of people. It is just that simple. If someone is frustrated that success is outside their scope of achieving, it would be advantageous for them to accept that which they cannot change. It is disingenuous to blame others while doing absolutely nothing realistically possible yourself first.

 

[Zordon]

Understand?

Everybody understands. An untold number of posters have been posting frustration for years on just this site alone. That's one of the many reasons why Cowboyszone and sites like it are great for fans to work out their uncontrolled frustration.

Frustration is not an issue. The issues here are plural. The first issue is a quitting proclamation. Fanship is hard, especially when all personal expectations are not being met. Quitting is easy. Quitting is so easy that you do it once and it is done. Most importantly, it can be done with zero fanfare. The second issue is the blame game. As always, people quantity a complex situation and expect others to solve it for them. When salvation is not delivered, others are at fault. Personal accountability is completely excused. It's "the other guys who are the problem."

People who call themselves fans should not quit. If you want Jerry Jones to do what you want, do something about it. And if the results are not what you want, deal with it.

Where does emotion play into this equation? I mean if you say you understand the frustration, why not understand the need to vent sometimes. I don't think someone should be ridiculed for that. I believe Jerry has had it fairly easy from us. I can't think of another organization in business that could treat their customers this poorly yet still have the customers come back in droves. Could you imagine if he tried this act in Philly? mmillman isn't going to quit. just like I'm not despite how pessimistic I post sometimes. I just think a lot of us are frustrated as hell about this franchise and we don't see any end to the futility in sight. Ridiculing the OP for wanting no part of this madness is childish to me. He deserves props imo for making it this far. If we kicked out every fan who's "thought about quitting" their fandom for this team, then we'd be left with a fraction of our current fanbase.

 

[DallasEast]

Where does emotion play into this equation? I mean if you say you understand the frustration, why not understand the need to vent sometimes. I don't think someone should be ridiculed for that. I believe Jerry has had it fairly easy from us. I can't think of another organization in business that could treat their customers this poorly yet still have the customers come back in droves. Could you imagine if he tried this act in Philly? mmillman isn't going to quit. just like I'm not despite how pessimistic I post sometimes. I just think a lot of us are frustrated as hell about this franchise and we don't see any end to the futility in sight. Ridiculing the OP for wanting no part of this madness is childish to me. He deserves props imo for making it this far. If we kicked out every fan who's thought about quitting their fandom for this team, then we'd be left with a quarter of our current fanbase.

For years, I have stated posters benefit from venting on Cowboyszone. I did not just state it today.

Posters vent on this site every day. Posters do not verbalize their intent to quit on this site every day. There is a difference. Additionally, Empty threats have never been received well by other people. It's human nature.

Frustration is not the problem. Practically everyone is frustrated with the franchise in differing degrees. How anyone deals with their own frustration is what is most important. To be perfectly serious (and something I have stated on this site for a very long time), stress is a killer. People should deal with their frustration for the sake of their own healthy well-being.

No need for hypotheticals. Jerry Jones is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. It matters absolutely zero about what if he were there or wherever. He is here. As always, people have a choice for how they personally deal with reality. We deal with Jerry Jones. We can deal with Jerry Jones in an adult fashion or in a non-adult fashion. However, releasing personal frustration generated by Jerry Jones does not require false threats and blaming fellow fans while lashing out. In fact, frustration's target should always be Jerry Jones.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I believe Jerry has had it fairly easy from us. I can't think of another organization in business that could treat their customers this poorly yet still have the customers come back in droves.

and everything else Zordon said plus mmillian (the OP) said.

Anyone stop to think about how frustrating it is when something you love is ruined? Anyone?

If mmillian did not care he would have made a silent exit sometime ago. And a lot of others. I predict within the next five years the fan base will experience a significant decline. You can still be a Cowboys' fan and welcome this. If the revenue drops, Jerry is no longer enabled. If he does not sell the team, maybe Stephen wises up when he runs the team and turns it over to a Schram, Pioli, whatever. Back to Zordon's excerpt - we enable Jerry to ruin this team and laugh to the bank...a few of you seem to insist we thank Jerry for that. My response to those effectively saying "shut the F up" is to let go, but my love of what this team was makes it both hard and not an overnight process.

In a recent thread elsewhere, "What would make you quit watching football?" My reply went semi-viral to Pats fans...."If a Jerry Jones bought the Patriots" So for those taunting me and mmillian, you are pushing people away. If anyone is watching, I'm here less frequently. I still hope sometime in the future, the Cowboys return to what they once were.

 

[DallasEast]

a few of you seem to insist we thank Jerry for that.

Names. Please.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Seriously.

Life is about choice. Succeed or fail, a person can try to enact change, but they must be committed in doing everything possible to get real results. That means actually DOING something that organizes MILLIONS of people. It is just that simple. If someone is frustrated that success is outside their scope of achieving, it would be advantageous for them to accept that which they cannot change. It is disingenuous to blame others while doing absolutely nothing realistically possible yourself first.

You say this like the Cowboys are a democracy or something. They're a privately run business. The only thing any of us can do is refuse to buy the product. But that's a choice, too. If you want to keep rewarding mediocrity, that's your prerogative.

 

[DallasEast]

You say this like the Cowboys are a democracy or something. They're a privately run business. The only thing any of us can do is refuse to buy the product. But that's a choice, too. If you want to keep rewarding mediocrity, that's your prerogative.

Democracy? I made no such assertion. As you point out, the franchise is a privately owned enterprise. However, any business can be influenced if real (not fantasy) cause-and-effect are planned for. The degree of influence is an undetermined variable. Having said that, there is no guarantee for success. Quite simply, people want a narcissistic billionaire to react favorably to pitifully unorganized individual actions that have negligible consequences to his bottom line. It just ain't gonna happen. This is real life and not a cartoon.

As far as the rewarding mediocrity analogy goes, it can only be claimed by those totally separated from said mediocrity. To put it simply, every for-profit enterprise profits both directly and indirectly. The only way any individual can honestly claim they are not supporting a specific business is to disassociate themselves entirely from that business in every imaginable way. The old saying of going cold turkey is an apt one. People arm themselves with the fallacy that a certain level of association discredits them from the analogy. Whether people do so intentionally or unintentionally, they are incorrect all the same.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Names. Please.

This seems to be an invite to spend a lot of time in a flamewar. Don't have that much time for something that seems common knowledge. I do recall crazy posts screaming that because 3 SBs were won in the 90s Jerry can take as much credit as anyone, so give him a break he's going to do it again.

I don't need to work on this. Several threads like this attack anyone frustrated with Jerrys mismanagement....just see who jumps on the frustrated

 

[DallasEast]

This seems to be an invite to spend a lot of time in a flamewar. Don't have that much time for something that seems common knowledge. I do recall crazy posts screaming that because 3 SBs were won in the 90s Jerry can take as much credit as anyone, so give him a break he's going to do it again.

I don't need to work on this. Several threads like this attack anyone frustrated with Jerrys mismanagement....just see who jumps on the frustrated

No names. Thanks.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Again, I'm not researching old posts to take names but there have been several flamewars when members say they are fed up with Jerry.

Q has not been asked....what if attendance drops, those that come have sacks, revenue takes a hit but Jerry CANT STOP? I hope he would behave better and with grace to the fans. In such a case, let him lose money....why reward his performance?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Democracy? I made no such assertion. As you point out, the franchise is a privately owned enterprise. However, any business can be influenced if real (not fantasy) cause-and-effect are planned for. The degree of influence is an undetermined variable. Having said that, there is no guarantee for success. Quite simply, people want a narcissistic billionaire to react favorably to pitifully unorganized individual actions that have negligible consequences to his bottom line. It just ain't gonna happen. This is real life and not a cartoon.

As far as the rewarding mediocrity analogy goes, it can only be claimed by those totally separated from said mediocrity. To put it simply, every for-profit enterprise profits both directly and indirectly. The only way any individual can honestly claim they are not supporting a specific business is to disassociate themselves entirely from that business in every imaginable way. The old saying of going cold turkey is an apt one. People arm themselves with the fallacy that a certain level of association discredits them from the analogy. Whether people do so intentionally or unintentionally, they are incorrect all the same.

I'm not sure we have much to disagree with then. I certainly don't expect Jerry to react to any tantrum I throw at all. I know he's making billions, and he will continue to make money whether I ever buy another Cowboys t-shirt or not. That said, I don't really expect the Cowboys to have the same level of success they once had ever again in my lifetime. I'm not going to jump ship, but I'm not going to pretend they're Super Bowl contenders this year.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not sure we have much to disagree with then. I certainly don't expect Jerry to react to any tantrum I throw at all. I know he's making billions, and he will continue to make money whether I ever buy another Cowboys t-shirt or not. That said, I don't really expect the Cowboys to have the same level of success they once had ever again in my lifetime. I'm not going to jump ship, but I'm not going to pretend they're Super Bowl contenders this year.

I can totally respect that.

 

[zrinkill]

I just really wish that these people who are tired of being Cowboy fans would just leave instead of starting these "LOOK AT ME" threads.

I cannot stand Jerry Jones anymore ....... but he will never make me turn on my Cowboys.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Money and ego drives Jerry

It has not really been tried, but if fans left or got angry enough I think Jerry would think being so unpopular as its house arrest would not be worth it.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

While money matters to Jerry, if fans deserted and hated on him like the Giants in 77, he might almost feel like house arrest. Would he still hang around if it was that bad? Think his ego would finally say no.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Money and ego drives Jerry

It has not really been tried, but if fans left or got angry enough I think Jerry would think being so unpopular as its house arrest would not be worth it.

There won't be enough fans that leave to make a difference. I do understand where you are coming from. It's very frustrating especially for us that remember when the Cowboys were great. At least we have our memories. Some fans don't even have that. In the meantime we just have to put up with Jerry or leave. That's our only choice. I'm not ready to give up on a team that I've rooted for most of my life. I hope one day the team will find a way to win in spite of Jerry Jones.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

^ since it has not been tried, its too early to say it would not work. It would likely take a lot of heat, however. Jerry should not be financially rewarded for ruining this team.

 

[Califan007]

Have cowboys fans done any type of organized "response" (so to speak) to convey to Jerruh just how frustrated they are with his management of the team?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I just really wish that these people who are tired of being Cowboy fans would just leave instead of starting these "LOOK AT ME" threads.

I cannot stand Jerry Jones anymore ....... but he will never make me turn on my Cowboys.

Exactly

Man Up and move on...or in this case Cowboy Up and move on.

Less talk, more walk.

Big bark and no bite.

Want to really show that dirty old money grubbin Jerruh...move one and completely ignore ALL things cowboys...including sports forums. anything less is bull utter and horse hockey when talking about how you have had it.

 

[dreghorn2]

If people are submitting 'look at me i'm quitting talk me out of it,' or just simply 'look at me' type posts, than i can agree with the whole just let it hit you on the rear type responses (although it is just strangers on the internet i wonder at the vitriol on here sometimes, it's somewhat disconcerting to me that people feel the need to make these types of comments versus simply ignoring the post).

However, there is another side.

Personally i can identify with fans that appear to be questioning their loyalty to the franchise, i use the term loyalty somewhat loosely, this is sports were talking about.

In my opinion Jerry Jones has been an incredibly poor owner. There is no point in going into the details they are discussed here daily, with opinions on both sides.

It is becoming difficult for many fans, i believe, to separate their love of the franchise from their dislike of the current ownership. I greatly disapprove of almost every aspect of the Jones' family operation of the team, including how they appear to conduct themselves both professionally and personally. It's getting to the point that i hope they are never rewarded for their narcissistic behavior and callow disregard for the Cowboy brand.

Wherein lies the problem. I have been a fan for forty plus years, how does one just give up on something that has been such a large part of their lives for so long. It's not easy man.. it's not simply a 'Man up or Move on' scenario, it's a labor of love and something that's been entwined like a thread through our lives seemingly forever. There was a post a year or so ago about the crazy things people have done Cowboy related through the years, i submitted a long and perhaps seriously weird list, i love this franchise.

So while it's easy to write snippy remarks about hitting the road etc.. try to have some empathy for those struggling with the balance between team support and Jerry Jones.. dislike.. if you will. For some it a legitimate and passionate conundrum.