Just For Kicks...Your Worst Nightmare Mock

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah, only idiots have backup plans.

I mean, a player getting injured in the NFL. Think it may happen on rare occasion?

I guess we'll just cross that bridge when we get there nonsense is better than actually having a plan in place.

And if he gets injured, oh well, there is always the practice squad players and UPS workers.

I'm pretty sure you don't find any NFL teams drafting players, who are not a need for their team, based on the idea "Oh well what if so and so gets hurt."

DT is not our biggest need. We have FAR greater needs than DT. If it was a need and we drafted for depth, awesome. No issue.

Kind of like how we did with the corner situation a couple of years ago. It was a weakness, with no depth, so we picked up a FA and drafted 2 other CBs. Depth solved.

But now with the depth we have at the position if we spent our first 2 picks in the draft on corners because "Gosh darn it Jenkins might get hurt this year" then it would be incredibly stupid.

Wasting a 1st or 2nd round pick on a player at a position that we are not in need of, over positions where there is greater need, is not a sound strategy, IMO.

I know some will say "Well what if he's the BPA there and nothing at the positions you need more is worth taking there" well then to me you trade down and pick up extra selections rather than simply taking a luxury player for the sake of doing so.

I really don't get the Cody hate. The guy is a beast and would really add solid depth at NT.

We wouldn't lose much with Cody in for Ratliff.

Plus if Ratliff goes down we're pretty much ****ed. With Cody, the pass rush goes down but the run D wouldn't lose a beat. It actually would be better.

If D-Ware goes down we're pretty much ****ed. Should we trade up and try and make sure we get the best pass rushing OLB in the draft just in case?

If Tony Romo goes down we're screwed 8 million times over so should we reach and get a QB just in case?

You could play that "if he goes down" game all day long and it wouldn't make it a sound drafting strategy.

Exactly. Give Cody 15 snaps a game. Allowing Rat to stay fresh.

Not really sure on how that is an awful pick. It's actually a smart one.

Terrible idea. It would be fine for his first year to get him around 15-20 snaps a game. But what after that?

See that's the other thing here with the backup role he'll be. Some of these other positions that are of greater need will be backups initially too, but they'll be fighting for starting positions at some point. The safeties and OL guys will possibly start out as a back up but they're going to eventually be the starter would be the idea with them at those picks.

Will Cody, outside of an injury to Rat ever be the starter here? No. Absolutely not. He's not ever going to beat Jay out for that NT spot so you're telling me you think it's a great idea to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy who will be a career backup here so you can use him for 15 snaps a game?

That would be a terrible investment of a second round pick.

aka Realists.
aka Those with a plan.
aka Sensible.

Sorry. Just because you hate him, doesn't make it a bad pick.

And surely you know that Wade is against starting rookies. So, all the draft picks are going to be backups their rookie year.

Maybe, you and your all-knowing crystal ball know that Cody is a career backup.

He's a career backup at NT in Dallas. Now if you'd like to spend a 2nd on him so he can play 4 years behind Ratliff and then go somewhere else then by all means you can do that. It's a terrible idea but, hey, whatever you addressed the what if Jay gets injured situation.

Like I mentioned above they're all likely going to start out as backups when the 2010 season starts but at positions of greater need like Safety and O-Line those guys would be given every chance in the world to become the starters by 2011. Mt. Cody is never going to start in Dallas unless Rat winds up hurt or we decided to just get rid of Rat just so Mt. Cody could be here.

Ask yourselve's this. Would you take Albert Haynesworth at a fraction of the cost?

If your answer is yes, then you say yes to drafting Terrence Cody.

Depends on how much of the cost you're taking away. I'm not paying Albert starter money to only play in 50-60% of the teams defensive snaps cause he's too fat and out of shape to play any more than that.

Cody looks to be in even worse shape meaning that the idea of him even playing 50% of the snaps seems overly generous to me.

Okay wait. What does Duke Robinson have to do with Terrence Cody?

Prior to Cody removing his shirt most Draft publications had him as a 1st round pick. Now he is listed as either 1-2 tweener, or even a couple have him as a 2-3 tweener.

If he drops to the 4th or 5th round will that mean the same thing as some message about Duke Robinson?

There is no correlation between the two other than someone on this forum liked one of them and someone else likes the other. Everyone on here falls in love with guys who fail. Even the stupid morons who don't have the sack to admit it.

I wouldn't take Cody in the 2nd round. No way, no shape, no how. You have to weigh risks vs rewards. I do not think his potential rewards outweigh the potential risks. If he was 40 pounds lighter, I might feel differently. Right now he looks like an unmotivated tub of goo well on his way to eating himself out of football. I do not spend a 2nd round pick on that.

Exactly. Well said.

Cody doesn't seem at all dedicated to working out and being in shape and putting in the work to be a great football player. He seems like the classic case of a guy whose gotten by his whole life on talent alone.

While that works out for some players (like Deion Sanders) it's a huge risk to take a guy who doesn't appear, from looking at him, that he has any motivation to put in the hard work to play football at the NFL level and just hope that magically he'll suddenly decide that he should be a hard worker.

Guys like this always scare me cause I don't believe it's a realistic possibility (I know there will be exceptions as there always are) to believe that a kid who doesn't appear to care about working hard his whole life, cause he's always just been more talented than those around him, will suddenly flip a switch and realise he's got to work super hard, all the time, to be productive in the NFL.


I will not be shocked, in the least, if Cody winds up out of the NFL in 3 years.

 

[DFWJC]

I have more of a concern taking a backup nose tackle in the first round than his weight. This Ratliff to DE rubbish is pure nonsense and our first round choice needs to be more than a high-priced reserve for the next three years. That is the main reason I would not be excited if he was chosen in the first. The weight concern would just be a sidenote.

I'm pretty sure that's why Cody made the nightmare mock in the 1st place. A risky player as a backup really was not worth a second round pick....at least I think that's why he made the list.

Personally, I'm not sold that he won't be a great player for a team in need of a bi, run-stuffing DL....just maybe not for us.

 

[TheCount]

Fair post Alexander, but let me ask you this. Once the kid has money in his pockets to where he can really eat whatever he pleases, what stops him? A passion for the game?

I think that's a hold your breath scenario much moreso than a written guarantee. I agree that the guy can flat out play his fat *** off. I just don't think we need a NT in the 2nd round and I really don't think we need one who is 40 to 50 pounds overweight. What prevents him from having a heart condition in 2 years?

I just don't like the odds. If he is there 3rd round or later and we roll the dice, I think the potential rewards then outweigh the potential risks. Prior to round 3, let him be someone else's concern.

I don't think he's the type of guy that plays at 330 lbs, he's the type of guy that will be at 350 lbs when in good shape, and even that won't be terrific shape.

I would love to say I see him as a Shaun Rodgers type, but I think Rodgers is much better than he will ever be.
I don't think we need a NT in the second round either, but where we pick, if Cody is there, I think you consider it even if you end up going elsewhere.

My main problem with Cody isn't even weight related, it's his skill set, he's pretty one dimensional. So he'd have to be about the best run stuffer in the league to warrant getting picked so high.

You gotta think though, if Cody got on that scale and weighed in at 340, we aren't even having this discussion cause he's probably gone in the top 20.

 

[Hostile]

A weight clause. A staff that is on him constantly. But again, I also think that while he was productive, nobody at Alabama took it terribly serious because he played well. I have read some things that say they looked at it, but even Saban was joking with him about it after the weigh-ins. Everyone knows he's going to be a big boy. The thing here is whether he realizes it. I have not read anything that suggests he does not care.

Oh you know there would be a weight clause. I just don't think the kid will care.

You don't get written guarantees on any draft choice. All I am saying is that the warning signs are not there with him yet. If he shows up for the Combine in worse shape than the Senior Bowl, then there are some red flags that pop up and rightfully so.

Okay, so I used some hyperbole and a poor choice of words in "written guarantee." I still think 370 pounds is way too much to be risking a 2nd round pick on.

I have more of a concern taking a backup nose tackle in the first round than his weight. This Ratliff to DE rubbish is pure nonsense and our first round choice needs to be more than a high-priced reserve for the next three years. That is the main reason I would not be excited if he was chosen in the first. The weight concern would just be a sidenote.

Seeing as how the whole point of my thread with regards to Cody centered around exactly that and I merely chose him and added concerns over his weight to accentuate the point, I can't disagree with you one iota on this.

 

[Hostile]

I'm pretty sure that's why Cody made the nightmare mock in the 1st place. A risky player as a backup really was not worth a second round pick....at least I think that's why he made the list.

Personally, I'm not sold that he won't be a great player for a team in need of a bi, run-stuffing DL....just maybe not for us.

Right on the friggin' :money:

 

[Hostile]

I don't think he's the type of guy that plays at 330 lbs, he's the type of guy that will be at 350 lbs when in good shape, and even that won't be terrific shape.

I would love to say I see him as a Shaun Rodgers type, but I think Rodgers is much better than he will ever be.
I don't think we need a NT in the second round either, but where we pick, if Cody is there, I think you consider it even if you end up going elsewhere.

My main problem with Cody isn't even weight related, it's his skill set, he's pretty one dimensional. So he'd have to be about the best run stuffer in the league to warrant getting picked so high.

You gotta think though, if Cody got on that scale and weighed in at 340, we aren't even having this discussion cause he's probably gone in the top 20.

See, I don't buy the he can't play at 330 or 340 stuff. He would still be a huge man. He'd just be a man who is in better shape. Faster, more agile, and likely would not get winded as easily.

He pushed around college kids. He will push around some pros. But he's going to get winded doing it because the talent he is facing is going to escalate huge.

Look, I have nothing against a little gut on Linemen on either side of the ball. This wasn't a little gut. It was pure gut. No muscle definition at all. He is putting a strain on his heart, and therefore his lungs to be carrying around that much weight. If he is severely winded after a play and doesn't come off the field he is a liability on the next play. When are that far overweight it is impossible to get your air back fast. It would be different if he were an OL, but on DL you have to read and react.

If a guy weighs 350 pounds but he shows some muscle, you live with it. Muscle is heavier than fat. That is a fact. I am not saying he has no muscle, but he has no muscle definition and that suggests lazy to me.

 

[ZeroClub]

At some point, though, hasn't the Cowboys front office (recently) earned the benefit of the doubt while drafting?

If the Cowboys pick someone who you originally were sour on, ... wouldn't the Cowboys picking him (anyway) lead you to think that they probably knew better?

If the team picks Cody, my thinking would be that Wade must like him ... and if Wade likes him, chances are pretty good that Cody will turn out to be a better player than I thought or originally expected.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Several people do not get the backup comment. Let me clarify. Almost anyone we take in any round is going to be a backup for 2010 unless we simply hit an unexpected home run. That isn't what I am talking about. Taking a backup at a position of strength and ignoring needs.

For the record, every player in that Mock of mine except the Kicker is actually a very good player. I still wouldn't want them at that pick. Give me Cody in the 3rd or later, sure. 1st or 2nd? Nope, I don't want him. I want to address needs first.

Dude, your posts are geting worse and worse in this thread.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Joe Montana if the Cowboys would have taken him in the 1st rd? Dang, could have had him in the 2nd.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Tom Brady if the Cowboys would have drafted him in the 4th rd? Dang, could have had him in the 5th rd.

So, you wouldn't want Ratliff if he was picked in the 3rd rd instead of the 6th? Come on.

As Parcells told Sean Payton: you have to separate yourself from where the player was drafted. i.e. Don't make playing/roster decisions based upon where the player was drafted.

If Cody is the real deal, draft him.

You are being overly greedy with the draft. And greed can kill you in the draft.

 

[Hostile]

Dude, your posts are geting worse and worse in this thread.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Joe Montana if the Cowboys would have taken him in the 1st rd? Dang, could have had him in the 2nd.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Tom Brady if the Cowboys would have drafted him in the 4th rd? Dang, could have had him in the 5th rd.

So, you wouldn't want Ratliff if he was picked in the 3rd rd instead of the 6th? Come on.

As Parcells told Sean Payton: you have to separate yourself from where the player was drafted. i.e. Don't make playing/roster decisions based upon where the player was drafted.

If Cody is the real deal, draft him.

You are being overly greedy with the draft. And greed can kill you in the draft.

Where did I talk about Joe Montana? Oh that's right I didn't. When did you ask me about Joe Montana? Oh that's right, you didn't. For the record, I wanted him in that Draft and felt we made a mistake to pass on him. Shock and awe, I was right. I wanted Marino two years later too. Whoops, right again.

All you are doing here is talking hindsight. The upcoming Draft is not hindsight. And you have the audacity to say my posts in the thread are getting worse? Dude, yours can't even see worse from where they are in the septic tank.

Explain this to me Norman. "If Cody is the real deal, draft him." How do you know at this point he is the real deal? Oh that's right, you don't. Same boat as me just looking at a different horizon. Welcome to the real world Norman. Try not to throw up because it is spinning.

 

[TheCount]

See, I don't buy the he can't play at 330 or 340 stuff. He would still be a huge man. He'd just be a man who is in better shape. Faster, more agile, and likely would not get winded as easily.

He pushed around college kids. He will push around some pros. But he's going to get winded doing it because the talent he is facing is going to escalate huge.

Look, I have nothing against a little gut on Linemen on either side of the ball. This wasn't a little gut. It was pure gut. No muscle definition at all. He is putting a strain on his heart, and therefore his lungs to be carrying around that much weight. If he is severely winded after a play and doesn't come off the field he is a liability on the next play. When are that far overweight it is impossible to get your air back fast. It would be different if he were an OL, but on DL you have to read and react.

If a guy weighs 350 pounds but he shows some muscle, you live with it. Muscle is heavier than fat. That is a fact. I am not saying he has no muscle, but he has no muscle definition and that suggests lazy to me.

I'm not saying he can't play at a lower weight, I'm saying that 350 is probably the best you'll ever get out of him. He's not a guy that will go from 370 to 325 or 330. Not for long anyway.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

At some point, though, hasn't the Cowboys front office (recently) earned the benefit of the doubt while drafting?

If the Cowboys pick someone who you originally were sour on, ... wouldn't the Cowboys picking him (anyway) lead you to think that they probably knew better?

If the team picks Cody, my thinking would be that Wade must like him ... and if Wade likes him, chances are pretty good that Cody will turn out to be a better player than I thought or originally expected.

Right on, my man.

Cody is an interesting case. One thing I disagree with is people acting like he's just now going to have someone on his case to get him in shape. This isn't a guy coming out of high school or even some tiny college program. He played for noted hard *** Nick Saban at a school where football is life. So he's had people leaning on him all this time, and he's still a disgusting fatbody. You can say that he seems to care more than Smith did last year, but that doesn't show in his actions, does it? And actions are all that matter.

Bottom line, he's a heck of a nosetackle and I'd never say that I wouldn't take him at any point in the draft... It's a matter of where you take him. As long as it isn't too high, he'd be worth working with because even in fat slob mode, he's a really good player. Back to what Zero said, Ted Washington and Pat Williams were outstanding NTs for Wade, and they aren't and weren't making the cover of any muscle magazines anytime soon.

 

[DFWJC]

Dude, your posts are geting worse and worse in this thread.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Joe Montana if the Cowboys would have taken him in the 1st rd? Dang, could have had him in the 2nd.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Tom Brady if the Cowboys would have drafted him in the 4th rd? Dang, could have had him in the 5th rd.

So, you wouldn't want Ratliff if he was picked in the 3rd rd instead of the 6th? Come on.

As Parcells told Sean Payton: you have to separate yourself from where the player was drafted. i.e. Don't make playing/roster decisions based upon where the player was drafted.

If Cody is the real deal, draft him.

You are being overly greedy with the draft. And greed can kill you in the draft.

:blind:
:bang2:
Talk about missing the point entirely.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Dude, your posts are geting worse and worse in this thread.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Joe Montana if the Cowboys would have taken him in the 1st rd? Dang, could have had him in the 2nd.

So, you wouldn't have wanted Tom Brady if the Cowboys would have drafted him in the 4th rd? Dang, could have had him in the 5th rd.

So, you wouldn't want Ratliff if he was picked in the 3rd rd instead of the 6th? Come on.

As Parcells told Sean Payton: you have to separate yourself from where the player was drafted. i.e. Don't make playing/roster decisions based upon where the player was drafted.

If Cody is the real deal, draft him.

You are being overly greedy with the draft. And greed can kill you in the draft.

Wow I don't think I've seen anyone on these forums ever miss the point of a thread or what is going on any worse than you.

 

[DFWJC]

At some point, though, hasn't the Cowboys front office (recently) earned the benefit of the doubt while drafting?

If the Cowboys pick someone who you originally were sour on, ... wouldn't the Cowboys picking him (anyway) lead you to think that they probably knew better?

If the team picks Cody, my thinking would be that Wade must like him ... and if Wade likes him, chances are pretty good that Cody will turn out to be a better player than I thought or originally expected.

I agree.
If this staff picks them, I bump them up some just becasue of that alone....kind of a benefit of doubt thing, as you say. That doesn't make me all of a sudden thrilled with the pick, nor make me like my pet players less in the short term, but it does ease my concerns a tiny bit.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It shouldnt die. On the snap Ratliff got at end he got a sack and quite frankly he has never really tried there because we have never had anyone who merited getting significant snaps at DT. Wade Phillips has a long and storied history of successful DE in pretty much everywhere hes gone. Smith, Dronett, Castillo and the guy from NO who eludes me atm. He even made Marcellus Wiley look good at end.

I am not saying move him there permanently but the ability to move him up and down the line especially to suit matchups would be ideal. Certain centers like O'Hara can handle his speed and gobble him up in the run game and hes shown inconsistency in handling double teams which is little surprise considering his size. Use a guy like Cody as a battering ram 20 snaps a game and have Ratliff move around.

Also Norwood would play ILB for us and would be a coup in the third. Iupati, Bennett and Norwood would be a dream come true for me. Add in Troupe in the fourth and Nirvana has come to earth.

When Wade was in New Orleans, he had three guys who played DE while he was there. He had a guy named Jumpy Geathers, a guy named Jim Wilkes and a guy named Frank Warren. They were all pretty good players.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

1. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

2. Anthoney McCoy TE USC

3. Jimmy Graham TE Miami

4. Dennis Pitta TE BYU

6. Jim Dray TE Stanford

7. Riar Geer TE Colorado

UFA Jeff Cottam TE Tennessee

Bill would probably love but......

 

[Wimbo]

The rules are the players have to be slotted near enough where you take them to be feasible. My philosophy is going to be that needs are ignored. Therefore, here is my worst nightmare Mock. These players will be talented, but simply will not fill needs.


1. #27...Tim Tebow, QB, Florida, 6'3", 235. In my worst nightmares Jerry feels the need to have a dedicated "Razorback" QB and tries to get cute. Not only do I detest that formation, I think the only good that could ever come of drafting Tebow is if it is to work out final details of a trade to some other team that blesses us completely. Which never happens in nightmares.

2. #59...Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama, 6'4", 370. Using a 2nd round pick on a backup would just frost my cookies. We have a Pro Bowl caliber NT who wants to play that position, don't screw with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Supply whatever cliche' you need, just don't try and sell me on this player who could eat himself out of the league being a good choice here. Nuh uh, I don't buy it.

3. #91...Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina, 6'1", 245. If we skip ILB where we have some players who are aging and take an OLB where we have tremendous youth and depth I am going to hurt someone. If we do it and grab a guy who is only 6'1" it will just make that person's pain so much worse. Norwood can play, but I don't want anything to do with him.

4. #123...Anthony McCoy, TE, 6'5", 250. We don't trade Bennett and still draft a TE and make it one who had so so results plus was declared academically ineligible and I will personally kick Bill Parcells in the shins for starting this Draft a TE streak.

6. #187...O'Brien Scoffield, OLB, Wisconsin, 6'2", 240. If one too short OLB would send me over the edge, imagine two. Especially if we completely ignore KR and OL to do it for a guy who is talented but clearly hurting and may not even play in 2010.

7. #219...Josh Aruco, K, Arkansas State, 5'9", 210. I realize everyone wants to Draft a Kicker except me because I hate the sawed off twerps. How about a sawed off fat one who has a maximum range of about 45 yards? Oh yeah, I would go postal.


Can you make me scream in terror worse than I just made you do it?

1. #27... Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
2. #59...Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
3. #91...Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
4. #123...Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn State
6. #187...Richard Dickson, TE, LSU
7. #219...Dedrick Epps, TE, Miami

 

[TheCount]

My worst draft scenario probably involves only picking kids of that nice couple that Bill Parcells once met in a movie theater that one time he was in whatever state that was he ate the best brisket he'd ever had. Or maybe the son of the guy that orders his track suits and sweat shirts.

 

[Alexander]

1. #27... Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
2. #59...Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
3. #91...Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
4. #123...Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn State
6. #187...Richard Dickson, TE, LSU
7. #219...Dedrick Epps, TE, Miami

:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Right on, my man.

Cody is an interesting case. One thing I disagree with is people acting like he's just now going to have someone on his case to get him in shape. This isn't a guy coming out of high school or even some tiny college program. He played for noted hard *** Nick Saban at a school where football is life. So he's had people leaning on him all this time, and he's still a disgusting fatbody. You can say that he seems to care more than Smith did last year, but that doesn't show in his actions, does it? And actions are all that matter.

Bottom line, he's a heck of a nosetackle and I'd never say that I wouldn't take him at any point in the draft... It's a matter of where you take him. As long as it isn't too high, he'd be worth working with because even in fat slob mode, he's a really good player. Back to what Zero said, Ted Washington and Pat Williams were outstanding NTs for Wade, and they aren't and weren't making the cover of any muscle magazines anytime soon.

Maybe he just can't get rid of all that weight? And it is kind of funny that despite being a huge slob with people leaning all over him, he was never disciplined. You would think Nick Saban would have that done if Cody was just ignoring him and the weight-training staff. It's quite possible that Cody will never be a svelte football player.