Just in, roy williams gone on vacation missing OTAs

[1fisher]

I had a guess, but it makes no sense at all in this context.

:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

With the money he is making he should have no problem bumping his vacations and as I said player and fans both know that after the draft there will be a series of mini camps and OTA so this is not coming as some unexpected event they do it every year.

Yes Wade approved it but then Wade nor the Cowboys have no choice because by league rules these are so called voluntary there is not much that can say.

Am I going to hold this against Roy for here on out? No but I do think that if these workouts were meaningless then coaches would not bother having them and every effort should be made to attend.

but what if the family he's going to see CAN'T change theirs now? some people have to work for a living and ask for time off months in advance. so should roy miss a vacation because of a couple of OTA and miss family time that was planned for AS A FAMILY?

it's not just roy that would be effected i'm sure if he had to back out and/or change things. we simply don't know what he has planned or how it's together. dooms, i agree with you on so many things but here i think you're overstating the value of a few OTAs and not seeing that roy could be in a situation where his backing out would ruin it for the *family*.

i try to be unbiased also and right now all we know is he put in for time off, got it approved, OTAs were scheduled, coaches don't care if he's not there, but some fans do.

 

[Doomsday101]

One this isn't last year, where we were trying to implment a new offensive and defensive system.

Two, just because he hasn't had to work doesn't mean his family didn't either, vacation isn't about oh im free, lets go on cruise, it takes planning something he obviously did and it just so happen the cowboys scheduled there OTA's at the same time

Three roy being at these OTA's is not going to be the difference between winning a playoff game or not, Last i checked everybody was at the OTA's last year and we still had the same result, a first game exit.

This is May, and this is overblown by a large proportion. He wants to go on vacation, let him, as long as he is here by TC and in shape then there is nothing to complain about.

Well hell then all the players may as well skip it according to you they are meaningless.

I expect our players to be there if you don't fine that is your opinion mine is you are paid damn good money to play a game get your butt out on the field regardless of it being mandatory or not.

I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me but that is my view point.

 

[iceberg]

but thats our point, each year he isnt in true football shape, last year, he took a diet chrash course to get in shape before he showed up at training camp,

thats what were saying, do what the other players do roy, you shoulld be a leader, work out and study like jason witten, romo, T O, and newman,

be the best tip top shape you can be, then let the chips fall where they may

so he *was* in shape before showing up at camp, right?

and all reports NOW say he's in great shape, right?

again, you blither for the sake of blithering.

 

[dargonking999]

Well hell then all the players may as well skip it according to you they are meaningless.

I expect our players to be there if you don't fine that is your opinion mine is you are paid damn good money to play a game get your butt out on the field regardless of it being mandatory or not.

I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me but that is my view point.

You get checks for playing the game on Sunday. Not for coming into a voluntary workout on Monday.

 

[WoodysGirl]

With the money he is making he should have no problem bumping his vacations and as I said player and fans both know that after the draft there will be a series of mini camps and OTA so this is not coming as some unexpected event they do it every year.

I understand your point, but the dates weren't scheduled beforehand. I could see there being an issue if the OTAs were already scheduled and with this knowledge, Roy decided to still take a vacation. But we don't know when the Cowboys gave the players the OTA schedule. More than likely it was after he'd scheduled his vacation. If that's the case, and family was involved, there was no way he could've rescheduled at this late date.

Yes Wade approved it but then Wade nor the Cowboys have no choice because by league rules these are so called voluntary there is not much that can say.

Coaches put up hissy fits all the time when players miss OTAs, voluntary or not.

Am I going to hold this against Roy for here on out? No but I do think that if these workouts were meaningless then coaches would not bother having them and every effort should be made to attend.

I do think the OTAs have value, but I also think that Roy can easily make up whatever workouts he misses, if he so chooses.

 

[Velvet Jones]

I would rather Roy take his vacation now during OTA's than Romo taking his the week before the first playoff game... I'm just sayin'..

 

[Doomsday101]

but what if the family he's going to see CAN'T change theirs now? some people have to work for a living and ask for time off months in advance. so should roy miss a vacation because of a couple of OTA and miss family time that was planned for AS A FAMILY?

it's not just roy that would be effected i'm sure if he had to back out and/or change things. we simply don't know what he has planned or how it's together. dooms, i agree with you on so many things but here i think you're overstating the value of a few OTAs and not seeing that roy could be in a situation where his backing out would ruin it for the *family*.

i try to be unbiased also and right now all we know is he put in for time off, got it approved, OTAs were scheduled, coaches don't care if he's not there, but some fans do.

You got a job that is paying Millions make the sacrifice!!!

Gosh we missed our family vacation well the job you got right now gives you a life style that you and your family would not have without it.

As for the coaches they could not say anything one way or the other by league rules but they hold them for a reason.

Maybe I just expect this team and its players to put the team 1st for a change instead of hearing the talk of pay me, give me this, I don't like that attitude we have seen.

Right now I see this team as mentally weak and I think that is the biggest reason why we have seen this team lead the league in penalties and fade late in the season over the last few years. It is time for them to toughen up in my opinion

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand your point, but the dates weren't scheduled beforehand. I could see there being an issue if the OTAs were already scheduled and with this knowledge, Roy decided to still take a vacation. But we don't know when the Cowboys gave the players the OTA schedule. More than likely it was after he'd scheduled his vacation. If that's the case, and family was involved, there was no way he could've rescheduled at this late date.

Coaches put up hissy fits all the time when players miss OTAs, voluntary or not.

I do think the OTAs have value, but I also think that Roy can easily make up whatever workouts he misses, if he so chooses.

I understand what you are saying and I admit much of my feeling is due to this teams failure and the desire to see these players willing to do anything they have to, to get to the top.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I think part of the reason this is a big issue to some is because of the reports of players purposely not attending OTAs for contract reasons or missing them like Thurman did and being released.

The OTAs are supposed to be non-contact runthroughs that are generally used to install new offensive and defensive plays. Players are encouraged to attend but are not officially required. The info they cover will be covered in training camp as well.

While I had hoped that Roy would attend them, I am not going to get upset when the coaches had okayed the truancy beforehand. I'm sure he's not the only player that will miss any.

 

[Velvet Jones]

You got a job that is paying Millions make the sacrifice!!!

So is it the "millions" that you are bothered by? Joe Blow can schedule a week off for a family vacation, even if a project comes up, but since he makes 50k then it is ok for him to go?

As we hear and say many times... it is a job. Some live to work while other work to live. He should have the same rights with his job as I do. I would hope that if I put in for time, it were approved, but a project came up, that my boss would not expect me to put me and mine out. Sometimes it happens.. I just don't see an OTA as one of those times.

 

[khiladi]

It is the timing of all this that makes it an issue. I think it has more to do with the fact that Roy himself expressed issues with the scheme, and when he has the oppurtunity to correct the learning aspect of the game, he is going on vacation.

But it really depends on when the vacation was organized. If he knew about the OTAs and still scheduled his vacation, I think people have a right to grumble.

 

[Doomsday101]

So is it the "millions" that you are bothered by? Joe Blow can schedule a week off for a family vacation, even if a project comes up, but since he makes 50k then it is ok for him to go?

As we hear and say many times... it is a job. Some live to work while other work to live. He should have the same rights with his job as I do. I would hope that if I put in for time, it were approved, but a project came up, that my boss would not expect me to put me and mine out. Sometimes it happens.. I just don't see an OTA as one of those times.

I make a lot less and have postponed vacation because it was a bad time for the people I work for.

As for the money that the players get it makes it much easier to postpone than myself but more important it is doing whatever you have to help get this team back to the top and being part of team unity.

I expect sacrifice from our players if you don't think fine that is your opinion but I would think years of failure of this team would be motivation enough for players to be willing to go the extra mile.

I guess it is just a different era of players

 

[dargonking999]

I make a lot less and have postponed vacation because it was a bad time for the people I work for.

As for the money that the players get it makes it much easier to postpone than myself but more important it is doing whatever you have to help get this team back to the top and being part of team unity.

I expect sacrifice from our players if you don't think fine that is your opinion but I would think years of failure of this team would be motivation enough for players to be willing to go the extra mile.

I guess it is just a different era of players

But again, what are you doing it for?

This is not last year, with a new offensive and defensive system.

This is not a rookie who hasn't been in the NFL

This is not a FA who is moving to a new team

This is not Training Camp, or mini-camp

This is a voluntary workout in shorts and helmets.

Being here now is not going to put us any closer to a Superbowl then not being here now.

It is as simple as that

 

[dallasfaniac]

I can understand some wanting players to put work ahead of family, but as someone that did so for years, I can say that having that decision hanging over your head when a friend or family member is unexpectedly taken from you is very hard to shake.

 

[Doomsday101]

But again, what are you doing it for?

This is not last year, with a new offensive and defensive system.

This is not a rookie who hasn't been in the NFL

This is not a FA who is moving to a new team

This is not Training Camp, or mini-camp

This is a voluntary workout in shorts and helmets.

Being here now is not going to put us any closer to a Superbowl then not being here now.

It is as simple as that

As was pointed out above Roy himself has questioned fitting into the defensive scheme and in my view Championship are won because of what you did to ready yourself for the season.

I don't expect you to agree you have your own opinion I just don't agree with it. This does not make me a Roy basher or some other label people around here love to throw around.

I like Roy I like the Cowboys even more and want to see every single effort made by every memeber to get back to the top and yes it starts in the off-season at least to most coaches I have listened to over the years.

 

[FCBarca]

It is the timing of all this that makes it an issue. I think it has more to do with the fact that Roy himself expressed issues with the scheme, and when he has the oppurtunity to correct the learning aspect of the game, he is going on vacation.

But it really depends on when the vacation was organized. If he knew about the OTAs and still scheduled his vacation, I think people have a right to grumble.

No one can really make a credible argument that this DOESN'T qualify as a 'concern' considering the body of Roy's recent words/actions and his poor play of late...He's on the 'watch', he knows it and instead of trying to show everyone how committed he is and perhaps deflect some of this criticism that so obviously affects him, he does nothing.

Personally, it doesn't surprise me...The apologists are going to go down swinging as does Roy's play and all the excuses with him

 

[dargonking999]

As was pointed out above Roy himself has questioned fitting into the defensive scheme and in my view Championship are won because of what you did to ready yourself for the season.

I don't expect you to agree you have your own opinion I just don't agree with it. This does not make me a Roy basher or some other label people around here love to throw around.

I like Roy I like the Cowboys even more and want to see every single effort made by every memeber to get back to the top and yes it starts in the off-season at least to most coaches I have listened to over the years.

I don't think anyone was referring to you as a Roy basher, maybe some of the other posters who have yet to come in and defend there position, but to respond to your point, Roy said he had problems last year before TC, and has had a meeting with the defensive staff. I don't think that is an issue anymore. And even if it is, TC is the place to work things out, not a couple of days during the week in shorts and helmets

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think anyone was referring to you as a Roy basher, maybe some of the other posters who have yet to come in and defend there position, but to respond to your point, Roy said he had problems last year before TC, and has had a meeting with the defensive staff. I don't think that is an issue anymore. And even if it is, TC is the place to work things out, not a couple of days during the week in shorts and helmets

Well when this team starts winning I'll stop demanding that they attend all team workouts until then sorry we just do not see eye to eye. The way I see it if it held no value coaches would not schedule them plain and simple

 

[Velvet Jones]

I make a lot less and have postponed vacation because it was a bad time for the people I work for.

Fair enough... but are there times you haven't? As I said, there are times where it is needed. I just don't see OTA's as those times. Training camp, the regular season, and post season are those times. I would never ever feel a fellow coworker isn't dedicated because he took an approved vacation. To me it is simply much adu about nothing.

TO doesn't always work out with the team.
Barber has been missing OTA's for contract reasons.
Romo will date another blonde celebrity come Thanksgiving.

I would say Roy taking approved vacation ranks somewhere near the bottom of the list for dedication I would like to see from a player.