Just Watched Romo's First Start..

[ajk23az]

perfect example is what happened to Eli once the giants got rid of whiners, complainers, and attention seekers (who were very good/great players) like tiki (retired) and shockey (traded). run the ball more, spread the ball around, win the SB.

addition by subtraction.

the difference is they have a real HC that is backed by management.

we?.... not so much

Pssssttttttt...Shockey was with the Giants last year.

Didn't play after Week 15 (hurt), but wasn't traded yet.

 

[Mash]

perfect example is what happened to Eli once the giants got rid of whiners, complainers, and attention seekers (who were very good/great players) like tiki (retired) and shockey (traded). run the ball more, spread the ball around, win the SB.

addition by subtraction.

the difference is they have a real HC that is backed by management.

we?.... not so much

Well...they did keep Buress....even tho they fined him over 50 times.......he is a attention seeker...a whiner...complainer. I didnt see the Giants suspend him last year....wonder why?

Funny...after winning the SB....Burress got into more trouble and they finally suspend him....and then reports come out on how he has been trouble all these years.....and Coughlin is praised on how tough he is......

Imagine if TO was fined that much?

IMHO TO isnt any worse then Burress.......the Giants won with Burress.

JMHO

 

[Dave_in-NC]

No offense, bro...

But you're a clown if you don't see how the media can contort ANYBODY to look a certain way. Or how they can protect the images of guys who do REALLY bad things.

Jerry Rice was a GREAT player... he was also a guy who went off on many sideline tantrums, like a Terrell Owens. When Rice did it, the media said he was being a fiery leader. When T.O. does it, he's being a "cancer". Oh, and Rice was caught in a seedy, illegal "massage parlor" (think Rush Hour 2)while his wife was ill.

Marvin Harrison has had a tremendous career... so tremendous in fact, that we don't hear about the allegations that he SHOT SOMEONE, nor do we hear about the fact that he CHOKED A 15 YEAR OLD at the Pro Bowl... because the kid had the nerve to bug Marvin for an autograph.

Now think about the "trouble" T.O. has gotten into off the field... of which there is none. Should put in perspective the way the media handles SOME events pertaining to a certain player (like wearing biking gear while riding a treadmill in training camp) and the way they largely ignore other events.

Rice not ever a Cowboy.

Harrison not ever a Cowboy

owens a Cowboy.

The last is the only team I care about.

owens could go back to Philly and cause all the grief he wants, I wouldn't care. In fact I thought it was hilarious when he did.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Good thing that guy isn't Owens.

Jerry Rice, sure. But not Owens.

Still working on getting that post count up, eh Drew?

 

[Faerluna]

Amazes me...

When a player like Romo makes bad decisions ( yes Romo can do that) ....its some how TO's fault.

Why doesnt Witten get the same blame?

Is Romo that pathetic that he "has" to throw it to Owens because somehow "the coaches" force him too? Is he worried that Brad " checkdown" Johnson will take his place?

The OL cant pick up a blitz....because TO is in all their heads...

Romo makes bad decisions because TO is in all their heads....

Garrett cant call plays or make adjustments because TO is in his head...

:laugh1:

Or are they just saying that the entire team/coaching staff are a bunch of weak-minded simpletons and TO is a charismatic, manipulative supah genius that can force his will upon all he surveys?

 

[CutMeMick]

No offense, bro...

But you're a clown if you don't see how the media can contort ANYBODY to look a certain way. Or how they can protect the images of guys who do REALLY bad things.

Jerry Rice was a GREAT player... he was also a guy who went off on many sideline tantrums, like a Terrell Owens. When Rice did it, the media said he was being a fiery leader. When T.O. does it, he's being a "cancer". Oh, and Rice was caught in a seedy, illegal "massage parlor" (think Rush Hour 2)while his wife was ill.

Marvin Harrison has had a tremendous career... so tremendous in fact, that we don't hear about the allegations that he SHOT SOMEONE, nor do we hear about the fact that he CHOKED A 15 YEAR OLD at the Pro Bowl... because the kid had the nerve to bug Marvin for an autograph.

Now think about the "trouble" T.O. has gotten into off the field... of which there is none. Should put in perspective the way the media handles SOME events pertaining to a certain player (like wearing biking gear while riding a treadmill in training camp) and the way they largely ignore other events.

You TO-apologists just CAN'T get it, huh?
Neither Jerry Rice nor Marvin Harrison ever PUBLICLY threw their QB's
& other teammates under the bus, in order to get their own way!!!

Hello? McFly?????

None of the things that come with TO, ie: the media attention,
sideline rants, espn interviews, etc.- NONE OF THEM have ever happened
in a vacuum, as some of you would like to believe!

The guy has a track record- 3 teams, 3 QB's, fights with teammates
both physical & verbal, "issues" with coaches/mngt., and so on......

Theres a reason he's called T.eam O.bliterator!!

Defend him all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
When things go sour, TO has a problem with keeping the conflicts
in-house, & always makes it about HIM!

DUH!!!!:bang2:

:horse:

 

[ajk23az]

You TO-apologists just CAN'T get it, huh?
Neither Jerry Rice nor Marvin Harrison ever PUBLICLY threw their QB's
& other teammates under the bus, in order to get their own way!!!

Hello? McFly?????

None of the things that come with TO, ie: the media attention,
sideline rants, espn interviews, etc.- NONE OF THEM have ever happened
in a vacuum, as some of you would like to believe!

The guy has a track record- 3 teams, 3 QB's, fights with teammates
both physical & verbal, "issues" with coaches/mngt., and so on......

Theres a reason he's called T.eam O.bliterator!!

Defend him all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
When things go sour, TO has a problem with keeping the conflicts
in-house, & always makes it about HIM!

Wow, someone is listening to Skippy in the morning.

Also, T.O. doesn't do ESPN interviews. The one he did was on NFL Network

What PHYSICAL altercations has TO had with anyone? You are one of those guys that seriously thinks Witten and him came to blows? :laugh2: Wow....

 

[casmith07]

Garrett sucks, but it has become obvious that T.O. is inside Romo's head.

You can't have a guy on your team when we win 28-10, if he only catches 2 balls, he is p#ssed.

Not sure what you're talking about. TO had 3 for 36 I believe against NYG and was more than happy after the game because of the end result: a W.

 

[CutMeMick]

Wow, someone is listening to Skippy in the morning.

Also, T.O. doesn't do ESPN interviews. The one he did was on NFL Network

What PHYSICAL altercations has TO had with anyone? You are one of those guys that seriously thinks Witten and him came to blows? :laugh2: Wow....

This may be hard for you to believe, but there is a HISTORY
with TO, that occurred BEFORE he got to the Cowboys.
In SF, he came to blows with a teammate, the name escapes me,
a WR from UCLA.
In Philly, he came to blows with Hugh Douglas.....remember?
Whether he fought with Witten or not, is beside the point.
Again, the symptoms, reactions, rumors, accusations, et al-
remain the same. It's like clockwork!!!
The common denominator is Team Obliteraor.

It's called HISTORY- & those who forget it, are doomed to repeat it!

WAKE UP, SHEESH!!!!!

 

[bysbox1]

Garrett sucks, but it has become obvious that T.O. is inside Romo's head.

You can't have a guy on your team when we win 28-10, if he only catches 2 balls, he is p#ssed.

That's not true. Owens had plenty of 2 catch days last year and this year. We won, and he did not balk.

The bottom line is Owens want to win. Win and you don't hear a word from him. Lose and he gets frustrated and wants the ball more so he can help the team win.

Win and all is good.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Garrett sucks, but it has become obvious that T.O. is inside Romo's head.

You can't have a guy on your team when we win 28-10, if he only catches 2 balls, he is p#ssed.

I challenge you to find a time when TO was pissed after winning. TO cares more about winning than stats.

 

[bysbox1]

No offense, bro...

But you're a clown if you don't see how the media can contort ANYBODY to look a certain way. Or how they can protect the images of guys who do REALLY bad things.

Jerry Rice was a GREAT player... he was also a guy who went off on many sideline tantrums, like a Terrell Owens. When Rice did it, the media said he was being a fiery leader. When T.O. does it, he's being a "cancer". Oh, and Rice was caught in a seedy, illegal "massage parlor" (think Rush Hour 2)while his wife was ill.

Marvin Harrison has had a tremendous career... so tremendous in fact, that we don't hear about the allegations that he SHOT SOMEONE, nor do we hear about the fact that he CHOKED A 15 YEAR OLD at the Pro Bowl... because the kid had the nerve to bug Marvin for an autograph.

Now think about the "trouble" T.O. has gotten into off the field... of which there is none. Should put in perspective the way the media handles SOME events pertaining to a certain player (like wearing biking gear while riding a treadmill in training camp) and the way they largely ignore other events.

The T.O. bashing is getting old. Actually the Romo bashing is getting old too, and I have been part of some of the Romo bashing.

They both produce and make great plays when they are on their game, and all we want to do it cut them/trade them even though this is not economically possible with the salary cap. T.O. is a self motivator, and he's very passionate about the game. Romo takes risks to make plays. We would not have won some of the games last year if Romo did not take some of the risks he did. I wish more of the other guys on this team had TO's passion and Romo's make plays to win attitude . . . we would be in the playoffs right now and not having these stupid conversations.

But the same thing that makes them play so great can be their undoing. And it's a shame that these guys do not hold themselves accountable for their errors. T.O. wanting the ball is no different than Michael Irvin wanting the ball. Does it get into Romo's head? No one here really knows that except Romo and the rest of the offense. Does T.O. need to learn how to manage his frustrations when we lose? You bet! Maybe he should take the Marion Barber route and not talk to the media at all. But it would also go a long way if he just point blank came out and holds himself accountable for his paranoia and frustrations and that he only wants to win which is why he gets the way he does.

Is Romo a fumble machine? Sure he is! Is the rest of the offense the cause of this? Only the coaches in Dallas and the offense know that. There are a lot of moving parts on offense. Can Romo learn to rein in his impules (like that ill advised duck gift interception he threw to Roy Williams in the Philly game)? He can if he wants to. But what gets after me is he does not hold himself accountable for the turnovers. He made them, so it's on him. If he came out and said "I have to stop making turnovers and learn to manage the game better. I am just trying to make a play to win but sometimes it hurts the team more than it helps", it would go a long way and send out a better message.

And these are your team leaders so what they do, the rest of the team does as well. And that does not help the team chemistry at all.

 

[CutMeMick]

That's not true. Owens had plenty of 2 catch days last year and this year. We won, and he did not balk.

The bottom line is Owens want to win. Win and you don't hear a word from him. Lose and he gets frustrated and wants the ball more so he can help the team win.

Win and all is good.

Well, I guess that's it then- we should win ALL the time,
& then TO will stay under control?
Who woulda thought that thats all it'd take?

Unfortunately, a person's character comes out NOT when
things are going well, but when there are bumps in the road.
Only immature children expect to win or succeed ALL THE TIME!
Don't you apologists see how ridiculous a concept that is:
"Don' t start losing, or TO will start acting up"!

And that attitude is peachy-keen with you guys?
Really?

Of course teams wanna win, why else would they keep score?
But when you don't win, the worst thing that can happen is
to turn on one another, to disrupt from within.
That's TO's biggest character flaw-
letting his frustration dictate his behaviour, his mouth, & his
attitude.
Yes- just like a 2 year old!:cry2: :crawl:

 

[bysbox1]

Well, I guess that's it then- we should win ALL the time,
& then TO will stay under control?
Who woulda thought that thats all it'd take?

Unfortunately, a person's character comes out NOT when
things are going well, but when there are bumps in the road.
Only immature children expect to win or succeed ALL THE TIME!
Don't you apologists see how ridiculous a concept that is:
"Don' t start losing, or TO will start acting up"!

And that attitude is peachy-keen with you guys?
Really?

Of course teams wanna win, why else would they keep score?
But when you don't win, the worst thing that can happen is
to turn on one another, to disrupt from within.
That's TO's biggest character flaw-
letting his frustration dictate his behaviour, his mouth, & his
attitude.
Yes- just like a 2 year old!:cry2: :crawl:

Yep. More TO bashing. It's offically gotten old . . .

The only reason you know as much as you do is because of our undisciplined coaching staff and out of control locker room. I bet if Parcells was still here you would never know about this stuff since he kept tight control over the media in the locker room.

And yes you do want a guy who want that passion to win. If there were more guys in the locker room like this, we would be having conversations about matchups for our play off games. One of the problems with this locker room is no passion. When your QB gets up on the podium and offers that ridiculous speech after a loss, you know there's passion missing.

No one said he wants to win all the time. But for him not to be upset about a loss and not passionate about winning is the ridiculous comment here. If he was not passionate he may as well retire now.

 

[TNCowboy]

At that point in time, TO still had to worry about future contract $. He no longer has that concern.

 

[visionary]

Yep. More TO bashing. It's offically gotten old . . .


If there were more guys in the locker room like this, we would be having conversations about matchups for our play off games. .

yep, imagine a locker of 53 TOs.
who in their right mind wouldnt jump at the chance to coach that team.
i bet landry, BP, jimmy, shula (you know all time great coaches) would all be lining up.

lol

 

[MWILL]

When we played Carolina.

Major difference. He would throw to ANYONE if they were open back then, now he forces garbage to a certain #81 about 6-7 times per game.

Gotta cut Owens, I really think it has ruined Romo.

Where was this crap talk last year?

The one thing that hasn't changed is this offensive scheme. It's funny when T.O. says the playcalling needs to improve it's T.O. being a cancer. When Romo says it, nobody said a **cking word.

 

[kai cyr]

Yeah... If he EVER throws 36TD's in a season again he better be traded!

Sorry if I aspire for more than just a winning record.

 

[Rampage]

No offense, bro...

But you're a clown if you don't see how the media can contort ANYBODY to look a certain way. Or how they can protect the images of guys who do REALLY bad things.

Jerry Rice was a GREAT player... he was also a guy who went off on many sideline tantrums, like a Terrell Owens. When Rice did it, the media said he was being a fiery leader. When T.O. does it, he's being a "cancer". Oh, and Rice was caught in a seedy, illegal "massage parlor" (think Rush Hour 2)while his wife was ill.

Marvin Harrison has had a tremendous career... so tremendous in fact, that we don't hear about the allegations that he SHOT SOMEONE, nor do we hear about the fact that he CHOKED A 15 YEAR OLD at the Pro Bowl... because the kid had the nerve to bug Marvin for an autograph.

Now think about the "trouble" T.O. has gotten into off the field... of which there is none. Should put in perspective the way the media handles SOME events pertaining to a certain player (like wearing biking gear while riding a treadmill in training camp) and the way they largely ignore other events.

yes but Owens brung it upon himself and it all started when he was doing the td celebrations and interviews.

Jerry Rice wasn't kicked off of 2 teams for starting and causing unnecessary little highschool drama. either was Marvin Harrison. they both are Champions. Owens does all his trouble inside the lockerroom. me personally I don't care what they do off the field as long as they give everything they got to help the team win on Sundays. Owens doesn't do that. he gives everything he has to make sure he wins as in getting his stats and tv time. in the process Owens hurts his team with all of his bs. we won't win a championship with this guy.

 

[braw]

Romo's problems were started when his QB coach left( David Lee). Now he has an awful QB coach that has changed his approach. He has gone back to potential instead of performing. Coaches are important in developing a QB. Remember what Aikman said about Turner in his career.