Just when I thought the Boys were leaning to WR

[ABQCOWBOY]

The exciting thing is that it looks like we could be very fortunate in the sense that the talent in this years draft fits our positions of greatest need IMO. It's nice to have a guy like Ginn or Jarrett as possibilities when you are looking to go WR, as opposed to needing a WR when the likes of Michael Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Roddy White, Chad Jackson, Bryant Johnson etc. are the years best. Those are all perfect examples of teams picking an inferior prospect to fill a need IMO.

I don't know that I agree with this part of your post. It typically takes a good 3 to 4 years for most young WRs to catch on in the NFL. Jenkins will be entering his 4th season this year. Roddy White will be in his third season. I mean, I don't even really know that it's fair to say that these guys are inferior if you look at the offense they are playing in. It's not exactly as if they are working in an offense that is designed to get the ball down field or even consistantly. There numbers reflect what Vick does in that offense to some extent, IMO. You look at Lelie and his numbers also went down when he got to Atlanta. He caught 28 balls last year. That's way below what he had done the two previous years in Denver.

As for Chad Jackson and Bryant Johnson, well, tough for me to condem Jackson when he's only been in the league a single season. Johnson, is a guy who is on a team with Boldin, Fitzgerald and now Edgrin James. There are only so many balls to go around. Johnson may not be the impact WR you expect but who knows, if he were on another team, he might be. He had 40 catches for 740 yards and an average of 18.5 per catch last year. That's decent if you consider who he's playing with IMO. I think it's easy to look at a draft and say that the players available are better then other players in previous drafts but until they get in the league, I don't think you can say for sure that they are better or not. Until they get in the league, they haven't proven anything.

 

[conner01]

i don't think dallas knows who they will take, and they won't know till their pick comes up. at 22 you don't know who will be there. i suspect they have their board ready and the top picks will be cb's or wr's and which ever one they have rated the highest is who they will go with. they know they need both

 

[Typhus]

I don't know that I agree with this part of your post. It typically takes a good 3 to 4 years for most young WRs to catch on in the NFL. Jenkins will be entering his 4th season this year. Roddy White will be in his third season. I mean, I don't even really know that it's fair to say that these guys are inferior if you look at the offense they are playing in. It's not exactly as if they are working in an offense that is designed to get the ball down field or even consistantly. There numbers reflect what Vick does in that offense to some extent, IMO. You look at Lelie and his numbers also went down when he got to Atlanta. He caught 28 balls last year. That's way below what he had done the two previous years in Denver.

As for Chad Jackson and Bryant Johnson, well, tough for me to condem Jackson when he's only been in the league a single season. Johnson, is a guy who is on a team with Boldin, Fitzgerald and now Edgrin James. There are only so many balls to go around. Johnson may not be the impact WR you expect but who knows, if he were on another team, he might be. He had 40 catches for 740 yards and an average of 18.5 per catch last year. That's decent if you consider who he's playing with IMO. I think it's easy to look at a draft and say that the players available are better then other players in previous drafts but until they get in the league, I don't think you can say for sure that they are better or not. Until they get in the league, they haven't proven anything.

Excellent post,,, ,,,,...and precisely why I hate the notion of even sniffing a WR in the 1st, unless it where of calvin Johnson pedigree..

This offense was top 5 at one point last season, not really sure off hand where they finished ranked, but still, the point being that the offense is not in dire need of 1st round attention, although I wouldnt cry if a Marshawn Lynch, or one of the Tackles were taken.

We need an impact guy, and when I say an "impact" guy, I dont mean someone that is going to necesarily come in and put up pro bowl numbers, because if we stay at 22, I dont see anyone being there, that can be that player.

What I mean by impact, is an "early contributer", and like ABQ posted, most WR's dont fit that bill. It usually takes a few years before they can start making an impact.

Often its the addition of one player, that elevates the play of others, by simply adding that final component, and I believe this defense is very close to achieving that.

So lets ask ourselves a few questions,...

Does the addition of a Robert Meachum, Jarrett, or Bowe, raise the play of Romo and this offense.... this season?

Does the addition of one of the top FS on the board, like a Reggie Nelson (if by chance he were still there), complete this secondary, and if so, where does Watkins fit in,, no biggy weve wasted alot higher than 4th rounders before.

Does the addition of a Staley, just for example impact this team in a shorter time frame? Championship teams are built in the trenches, and it never hurts to have quality OL. The addition ** a quality OL could go along way in improving the offense overall, moreso than one of the WR's...IMO.

What about a pass rushing OLB like a Jarvis Moss? Finding a bookend opposite Ware could possibly be the deadliest and most impactful play of the day, if the war room were to go this direction, and the more I think about it, the less shocked I would be if that were the choice in the 1st.

This defense is close, but we still dont have the final component that will unleash Ware, and thats a bookend. Before the Ellis injury, we were seeing Ware getting after it, but loosing Ellis meant double teams for Ware on a consistant basis.

I just think alot of people are a little sour on the idea of spending another 1st on a LB. And thats no insult to Carp, he will be fine, just seems that alot of people expected Carp to be shot out of a cannon, and hit the ground running, and well,, as we all know that just wasnt the case.
This is a young defense, and a younger scheme, and the X-coaching staff had much influence in Carps exposure, and developement.

The bottom line is that you just cant have enough quality LBrs in a 3-4, and if a guy like Jarvis Moss were on the board, along with Jarrett, Bowe, Houston, Nelson, or one of the Tackles slipped a little, the easy decission would be Moss.... JMHO.

 

[Tristan]

I see your point ABCQ, at least in regard to the fact that the jury is still out on some of these guys, and by all means a Roddy White could develope into a pro bowler.

It is just my opinion that these players, and a few others, like Lelie who you mentioned, were simply lesser prospects at the time of the draft.

It's no secret that some years are stronger than others at certain positions. CB and WR seem to be off & on. Would you rather be drafting a QB in a year when there is guys like Young, Leinart & Cutler or Smith, Rodgers & Cambell?

Like you pointed out, time will tell on these guys too, but there is nothing wrong forming an opinion on a players prospectus, that's part of the fun of this game.

In my opinion the value of the afforementioned QB's in respective years was very different. For example, S.F. in one year uses the first overral pick on Alex Smith, the following year Arizona & Denver land surperior/equal QB prospects (IMO) with picks 10/11.

In retrospect I don't think a guy like Roddy White or Michael Jenkins are any better a prospect than Sidney Rice, who in all probability can be had in the second round due to the depth and talent at the position this year.

I think it is definately advantageous to be picking a WR in a year where there is good depth and talent, as opposed to taking a guy who probably is more of a second round value in the first because the pickings are slim.