Kaepernick sits during national anthem

[DFWJC]

Yeah, never mind the millions of people who died so you could write that.

hard to like this enough

 

[Nightman]

Again, this is not **** Germany. The "privacy of your own home" does not work here. Sure, the NFL can make a rule about this or fine him, but that is a reaction from the NFL to avoid outrage (Like you are displaying here). Though, I'll be highly surprised if they criticize a Kap due to his skin color and the type of message he was trying to get across. I don't know what the whole "whoring out" thing was supposed to man, but whatever.

All this "respect" and and what this country supposedly means to you. Yeah, this country is considered a free country. This is far more relevant to free expression than anything. Meaning: Public protest, different forms of values and ideals, and expression through art. If anything, I think he was following more about what this country is about than you. The "I didn't ask for an explanation" doesn't work either. It's speculation as to why he didn't stand, PFT is drawing a conclusion on a retweet on Twitter. If that's the reason, yeah I consider it stupid. But unlike you, I rather have debates about this topic. I don't automatically judge someone's character on something as petty as this. Even if there was no hint of an explanation, he would have been criticized. Two women in burqas several months back were criticized for not standing during a baseball games, many getting racial slurs thrown their way.

Once again: No one is obligated to stand. We all have our ideals and reasons. Your reasoning, if you don't stand, it tells you EVERYTHING about someone's character and you are rightfully criticized before a debate. When you start worrying about someone sitting during a damn anthem, you are closer to a tyrannical state than a free state.

You are the one that keeps bringing up rights and respect and **** Germany and fake tears because the Flag obviously don't mean anything to you......but to most of us the Flag represents all of those hard fought freedoms you take for granted...not some bs flavor of the month political movement....

Yes you have the right to sit and even the right to burn the flag but people have the right to despise you and criticize your character.......if we punched you, you would be the first coward to call the police or the oppressors as you call them....so save me the bleeding heart routine or make it clear that it is how you feel and don't ever presume to speak for me

 

[mattjames2010]

Never said it was.

Never said that he had to stand for the National Anthem.

I have said that what he did was disrespectful and how he whored out the country so he could garner attention to himself.



Sure it does.

When somebody is in their own home, other people cannot see them not standing at attention for the National Anthem (and again, I don't recall many times the National Anthem is played on TV before a game. Furthermore, if I'm at home and if the National Anthem is playing...nobody knows whether I'm standing at attention or not.

You're the one that came up with the faulty example to feebly attempt to support Kaepernick. Just because it's faulty you can't say 'it doesn't work here' and think that is a credible argument.



It's simple. Not standing for the National Anthem accomplishes NOTHING in terms of helping stop oppression towards black people (Kaepernick's words, not mine). You can't even use the 'raising awareness' excuse as Kaepernick has because everybody is aware of the issues involving black people and police officers and how many people believe that black people are oppressed in this country.

If Kaepernick truly cared about this 'oppression', there are numerous ways for somebody of his wealth to fight this oppression.

Start a group that helps black people that claim to be the victim of police brutality to help pay for lawyers to go to court and fight these allegations.

Start a group that pays for police cameras to be attached to policemen (policemen have welcomed the cameras more than they have protested against them).

Get a group together to pressure politicians to have better screening, training and higher accountability of police officers.

Start a program to bring black citizens and police officers together so they can understand what police officers are looking for when they pull somebody over or are arresting somebody (might actually save lives).

Those ideas would have a much greater far reaching impact than sitting out a National Anthem.

Yet he did so because he wanted attention for HIMSELF. Thus, he whored out the country so he could get some attention.



Wrong.

He has stated why he didn't stand as he told NFLN's Steve Wyche.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”

I didn't need an explanation. It's not hard to figure out why somebody would purposely not stand at the National Anthem in a situation like this.



Never said that it was a law to have somebody stand at the National Anthem.

I've said over and over again...he is being disrespectful and I didn't need an explanation...I knew he was trying to be disrespectful.

He doesn't care about his cause because not standing for the National Anthem accomplished NOTHING for his cause. He is an opportunist that I wish he move to another country where he won't feel like they oppress black people (good luck in finding that).

The Niners should have stated that while they do not agree with Kaepernick's views, he has the right to not stand for the National Anthem. Instead, their statement made me believe that they are fine with Kaepernick's views and whoring out of this country.




YR

"Whored out the country" - This makes no sense here, please stop saying it. He's sitting in a form of protest. That's it.

"When somebody is in their own home, other people cannot see them not standing at attention for the National Anthem (and again, I don't recall many times the National Anthem is played on TV before a game. Furthermore, if I'm at home and if the National Anthem is playing...nobody knows whether I'm standing at attention or not."

....so what is your point? Do what you want in the privacy of your own home but you must display some form of nationalism in public...or else what, YR gets caught up in his fee-fees?

You're the one that came up with the faulty example to feebly attempt to support Kaepernick. Just because it's faulty you can't say 'it doesn't work here' and think that is a credible argument.

About as credible as the arguments you're giving thus far. Let's run this down, shall we?

- It's disrespectful to not stand during the national anthem

Why?

- GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH! (This is so very subjective)

"It's simple. Not standing for the National Anthem accomplishes NOTHING in terms of helping stop oppression towards black people (Kaepernick's words, not mine). "

What part of protest do you not understand? Here, let's bring out a definition for you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protest

: something said or done that shows disagreement with or disapproval of something

: an event at which people gather together to show strong disapproval about something

Protests are normally to start a discussion to BRING AWARENESS to an issue. Which is what Kap did, and it's his right. YOU as an American, while you may disagree with his statements, should fully support this. Whining about the 49ers behind okay with this though? Again, grow up.

"If Kaepernick truly cared about this 'oppression', there are numerous ways for somebody of his wealth to fight this oppression."

And how do you know he's not? You can publicly raise awareness through protest AND do the things you listed.

"I've said over and over again...he is being disrespectful and I didn't need an explanation...I knew he was trying to be disrespectful."

Protesting =/= disrespectful

"He doesn't care about his cause because not standing for the National Anthem accomplished NOTHING for his cause."

You're now thinking for him.

"He is an opportunist"

I could easily counter this with: He's passionate about the plight of black men and women in America and he wanted to raise awareness. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

" Instead, their statement made me believe that they are fine with Kaepernick's views and whoring out of this country."

Yes, your entire fit over this has been a lot of "I believe". No rational arguments.

 

[mattjames2010]

You are the one that keeps bringing up rights and respect and **** Germany and fake tears because the Flag obviously don't mean anything to you......but to most of us the Flag represents all of those hard fought freedoms you take for granted...not some bs flavor of the month political movement....

Yes you have the right to sit and even the right to burn the flag but people have the right to despise you and criticize your character.......if we punched you, you would be the first coward to call the police or the oppressors as you call them....so save me the bleeding heart routine or make it clear that it is how you feel and don't ever presume to speak for me

"but to most of us the Flag represents all of those hard fought freedoms you take for granted"

LOL this is funny, since you ended it with this...

"don't ever presume to speak for me"

YOU don't know what I've done. I'm 26 years old and helped get a few men and women out of war torn countries that the US has directly negatively effected with war efforts. I have helped raise awareness, set up charity, used a platform I've had to get these men and women freedom that THIS country helped strip from them, whether it was intentional or unintentional.

So yes, I will presume that your cheetos matter more to you during a game than the crap you're blabbering on about now. Because if you're upset about someone peacefully protesting I do question your priorities.

Here's an idea of what you CAN do: Instead of worrying about him sitting, you discuss the reason he was doing the protest. The latter is far more productive and less whiny.

 

[Nightman]

"but to most of us the Flag represents all of those hard fought freedoms you take for granted"

LOL this is funny, since you ended it with this...

"don't ever presume to speak for me"

YOU don't know what I've done. I'm 26 years old and helped get a few men and women out of war torn countries that the US has directly negatively effected with war efforts. I have helped raise awareness, set up charity, used a platform I've had to get these men and women freedom that THIS country helped strip from them, whether it was intentional or unintentional.

So yes, I will presume that your cheetos matter more to you during a game than the crap you're blabbering on about now. Because if you're upset about someone peacefully protesting I do question your priorities.

Here's an idea of what you CAN do: Instead of worrying about him sitting, you discuss the reason he was doing the protest. The latter is far more productive and less whiny.

You spoke for yourself....I didn't just pick you out......your lack of respect for the anthem and flag speak for themselves.....I don't give two craps why someone disrespects the anthem or the flag and never will and you just became the only person of my ignore list

 

[mattjames2010]

You spoke for yourself....I didn't just pick you out......your lack of respect for the anthem and flag speak for themselves.....I don't give two craps why someone disrespects the anthem or the flag and never will and you just became the only person of my ignore list

All you had to say was "I'm useless in debates that are bigger than football" and that would have done just fine.

 

[erod]

Does this recent stance have anything to do with his recent conversion to Islam? Has he said?

 

[Hardline]

Thank God we have a constitution.
If that would have happened in Iran or North Korea he would've been executed.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I'm done with him. He just became one of the NFLs villains to me. Trash. Bet you he gets cut or traded ( they won't claim this is the reason ).

 

[haleyrules]

Hard to understand what the Anthem has to do with his complaints. Many too many knocks to the head. I mean this boy is wealthy..playing football in the NFL..is well known and seems to be living the American dream. Hard to understand what HE has to complain about. Makes no sense.

 

[haleyrules]

Thank God we have a constitution.
If that would have happened in Iran or North Korea he would've been executed.

lol. mmmmm. Not a bad idea...

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Americans make too big a deal of the national anthem. Youse lads need to relax.

lol. Iraq has a house for rent.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

This nugget really irked me. No country is perfect, every one has areas to improve. But to thumb your nose at what is to be something to honor our country and the men & woman who made sacrifices (many the ultimate) to provide him and everyone the freedom to express themselves I find insulting.

Maybe he should take his $22 mil and do something positive for the cause rather than protest the country that provided him more opportunity than he would get anywhere in the world.

 

[Tabascocat]

 

[haleyrules]

Heck. The league should punish Kaepernick by making him sing the Anthem before SF home season opener.

 

[jimmy40]

Does this recent stance have anything to do with his recent conversion to Islam? Has he said?

seriously converted to Islam

not so much

 

[acr731]

"Whored out the country" - This makes no sense here, please stop saying it. He's sitting in a form of protest. That's it.

"When somebody is in their own home, other people cannot see them not standing at attention for the National Anthem (and again, I don't recall many times the National Anthem is played on TV before a game. Furthermore, if I'm at home and if the National Anthem is playing...nobody knows whether I'm standing at attention or not."

....so what is your point? Do what you want in the privacy of your own home but you must display some form of nationalism in public...or else what, YR gets caught up in his fee-fees?

You're the one that came up with the faulty example to feebly attempt to support Kaepernick. Just because it's faulty you can't say 'it doesn't work here' and think that is a credible argument.

About as credible as the arguments you're giving thus far. Let's run this down, shall we?

- It's disrespectful to not stand during the national anthem

Why?

- GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH! (This is so very subjective)

"It's simple. Not standing for the National Anthem accomplishes NOTHING in terms of helping stop oppression towards black people (Kaepernick's words, not mine). "

What part of protest do you not understand? Here, let's bring out a definition for you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protest

: something said or done that shows disagreement with or disapproval of something

: an event at which people gather together to show strong disapproval about something

Protests are normally to start a discussion to BRING AWARENESS to an issue. Which is what Kap did, and it's his right. YOU as an American, while you may disagree with his statements, should fully support this. Whining about the 49ers behind okay with this though? Again, grow up.

"If Kaepernick truly cared about this 'oppression', there are numerous ways for somebody of his wealth to fight this oppression."

And how do you know he's not? You can publicly raise awareness through protest AND do the things you listed.

"I've said over and over again...he is being disrespectful and I didn't need an explanation...I knew he was trying to be disrespectful."

Protesting =/= disrespectful

"He doesn't care about his cause because not standing for the National Anthem accomplished NOTHING for his cause."

You're now thinking for him.

"He is an opportunist"

I could easily counter this with: He's passionate about the plight of black men and women in America and he wanted to raise awareness. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

" Instead, their statement made me believe that they are fine with Kaepernick's views and whoring out of this country."

Yes, your entire fit over this has been a lot of "I believe". No rational arguments.

You could always move to Canada. Lots of empty space up in those parts, and very little government breathing down your back. Better bring your extreme cold weather gear.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Lots of oppression in North Korea, as well as parts of Africa and the Middle East. Will he venture to these places to spread the good word or continue to collect a check while riding the pine?

 

[BAZ]

lol. Iraq has a house for rent.

Everywhere has houses for rent.

 

[acr731]

Your not kidding and does it while he is living the good life. He needs a good hard kick up his backside.

Front side too. Make it hurt to even pee.