Kansas City Chiefs center Creed Humphrey believes Cooper Beebe will be great for Dallas Cowboys

[blueblood70]

You call a four-year, $80 million deal cheap? That's what they paid for RT Jawaan Taylor last year. Not saying it was a good deal, but KC saw a need and tried to fix it. You have to use all aspects of roster-building, and the Chiefs do.

LIke trade for Cooper and than gave him a 22mil dollard deal? right they do so the but they have NOT EVER done the AL IN concept that the rams DID ONCE, ,SF does and Philly lives and dies by it..


there is NO BLUEPRINT,

try harder to find one move they let go of HILL, SNEED, Honey badger, Ward, and others to draft and go RBBC and WRBC you know a 7th round draftee at RB , you call that aggressive planning or plain old luck?

try Again, KC is how we do our team vs the 3 i mentioned and most teams can't draft like us so we are lucky and Jerry sees this and may count on it more then he should but its been working.

I seem to remember all the people that wanted Jamal Adams, Eric Berry, and Earl Thomas, than it was more recent von miller/OBJ, all would have been mistakes but that what some teams, but most fans wish for..

Only player that we have discussed that maybe we should have picked up was Bobby Wagner not the 2nd time but for sure he could have helped when he left Seattle the first time.. Fact many and i mean more so than not these overpaid FA in the first 10 days they never live up to expectations ie Pay vs production.. very few work out.

 

[blueblood70]

Sorry, didn't finish the thought before I timed out:

This is from https://kcsn.substack.com/p/wave-2-and-beyond-how-the-chiefs:

In 2019, KC's GM made "big moves immediately in free agency with the signings of Tyrann Mathieu, Alex Okafor, Bashaud Breeland and Damien Wilson. These four players were the first strikes of a new general manager, and all played significant roles in a Super Bowl winning team."

No one has ever said the team needs to go crazy with expensive free agent signings. You build through the draft. You supplement with a few key signings. This is the way Super Bowl winners do it. This year, the Chiefs paid $11 million for one year to WR Marquise Bornw, which is clse to what all our outside FAs cost.

Wilson our reject try harder LOL our other one was better they took both IMHO. Brown who already got hurt? again risk ve reward meaning, many don't live up to expectations. Brown was allowed to walk because he was hurt a lot and didn't deliver on regular basis IE poor mans OBJ, I'll take Cooks over him all day long at the rate we got him..Look at Browns 5 years he a faster version of Gallup but both never lived up to expectations one good year.. Cooks is the better player IMHO

i said last 3 years ...not 2019 since they let HILL, Sneed , ward and others go.,.they have been hardly active in FA at all allowed Jones to hold out until week before game 1..sure they got it all figured out in FA big time NOPE.. I say we do it very similarly

 

[gimmesix]

Parcells’ friend Mike Francesca was a top NY radio guy at the time, and he was going over the story of how BP ended up in Dallas. BP had just gotten divorced and needed a gig, and we of course know what Jerry needed out of it.

Francesca said he asked BP why he isn’t running his defense and he said Jerry asked him if he would retain Zimmer because “he liked him and he just extended him and didn’t want to eat the deal.” I recall exactly where I was when hearing that. At the time I didn’t really care, I was just happy to be finally headed in a better direction.

Blame Jerry? Yeah. He always does that and it’s always been problematic…or at least has never worked to a high level. The only thing in his defense is that we don’t know if things would have been any different the other way. Parcells willed that 2003 team into the playoffs, but after 2004, they were back at square one.

I was happy about the move, too. Similarly happy that we brought in McCarthy, because there are only so many Super Bowl-winning coaches out there (although I don't think the Joneses have given him as much power as they gave Parcells). I believe Parcells taught Jerry the importance of the draft, even though it took a few years to really sink in (see 2009 as an example of how to do it wrong).

Based on previous comments by Parcells, I think he was looking for a team where he had more of a say. Contrary to popular belief around here, I believe Jerry lets his coaches have a lot of say in the moves the team makes (maybe even too much at times). I believe Parcells referred to that in one of the articles I posted. That doesn't mean that the coach has the final say or that Jerry doesn't strongly suggest things like keeping Zimmer.

It's funny to me that some fans will blame a coach like Quinn for a pick like Nahshon Wright and then turn around and put all the blame on Jerry for other picks. It's clear that it's a group effort here because the Joneses do not know much about personnel. They don't spend months scouting players. They rely on their scouting department and coaches for input.

Now, I'm sure there are things like keeping the 4-3 that Parcells was hesitant about, and I'd classify signing Owens as one of those just based on how Parcells chose to handle Owens. But I find no reason to believe that Parcells left for any other reason that he stated. As a workaholic, he put a lot into winning and the losing just ate at him. He finally said, "I'm too old for this."

 

[gimmesix]

I don't think Parcells is the one to highlight his distain for a player and and single a player out either.

If anything he is the type to try to de-escalate a brewing situation, especially to get it away from the media.

He's not the one that holds a press conference or public interview to display on how unhappy he was to be with a high profile player.
and " that happy to have Owens "" seems like that was before he had to deal with

He did say coaching is a young man's game and that's why he deterred to front office management, rather than remain into head coaching

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...l-owens-to-the-miami-dolphins-forget-about-it

"... Yes, they had a serious falling out in Dallas, and it's one of the reasons Parcells was forced out of town..... "

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2543806

Oh, he has made several comments about Owens over the years that show that he wasn't particularly fond of him, but we could tell that by the fact that he'd only refer to him as "the player." He noted that he was a great player but one that had to be handled, and he also noted that he'd had to do that with other players before (Lawrence Taylor is one that comes immediately to mind).

I'm just saying, based on his own comments, that our fans make too much of Jerry's role, or even Owens' role, in Parcells deciding to call it quits. He has been consistent with what he said about being burnt out.

 

[gimmesix]

LIke trade for Cooper and than gave him a 22mil dollard deal? right they do so the but they have NOT EVER done the AL IN concept that the rams DID ONCE, ,SF does and Philly lives and dies by it..


there is NO BLUEPRINT,

try harder to find one move they let go of HILL, SNEED, Honey badger, Ward, and others to draft and go RBBC and WRBC you know a 7th round draftee at RB , you call that aggressive planning or plain old luck?

try Again, KC is how we do our team vs the 3 i mentioned and most teams can't draft like us so we are lucky and Jerry sees this and may count on it more then he should but its been working.

I seem to remember all the people that wanted Jamal Adams, Eric Berry, and Earl Thomas, than it was more recent von miller/OBJ, all would have been mistakes but that what some teams, but most fans wish for..

Only player that we have discussed that maybe we should have picked up was Bobby Wagner not the 2nd time but for sure he could have helped when he left Seattle the first time.. Fact many and i mean more so than not these overpaid FA in the first 10 days they never live up to expectations ie Pay vs production.. very few work out.

Way to ignore the facts that were presented and redirect the argument. What I'm saying is pretty simple: Super Bowl teams use all aspects of roster-building. If you want to turn that into something that no one is saying, then have fun with that.

 

[blueblood70]

Way to ignore the facts that were presented and redirect the argument. What I'm saying is pretty simple: Super Bowl teams use all aspects of roster-building. If you want to turn that into something that no one is saying, then have fun with that.

nope , it's absolutely the most horrible comp and example for this debate,

the eagles or the rams or the 49ers, yes those are the big spenders in our league most do business like Jerry, but Jerry haters won't see it, can't seem to realize all teams are different there's no blueprint but the heavy spending FA and all in teams are an anomaly, not a blueprint..,

you know what's ironic in our division, Washington and the NYG have spent more the last five years in FA and finish LAST. Try harder the SF team yup Better than us but longer SV win drought ie 1994 and Philly its worked one but 1960-present ONE LOUST RING!!!! try harder

Jerrys so terrible as GM his teams finish with better records, more division wins, and more playoff appearances than about 25 other teams, they are top 6 in RS wins..I realize we want more but hardly evidence the other way works better. Not on a regular basis. that me seeing through his eyes, sure, i want more we are due but KC too 52 years to win anther SB hardly close to our 28 year drought!!!

NEXT

 

[fivetwos]

I was happy about the move, too. Similarly happy that we brought in McCarthy, because there are only so many Super Bowl-winning coaches out there (although I don't think the Joneses have given him as much power as they gave Parcells). I believe Parcells taught Jerry the importance of the draft, even though it took a few years to really sink in (see 2009 as an example of how to do it wrong).

Based on previous comments by Parcells, I think he was looking for a team where he had more of a say. Contrary to popular belief around here, I believe Jerry lets his coaches have a lot of say in the moves the team makes (maybe even too much at times). I believe Parcells referred to that in one of the articles I posted. That doesn't mean that the coach has the final say or that Jerry doesn't strongly suggest things like keeping Zimmer.

It's funny to me that some fans will blame a coach like Quinn for a pick like Nahshon Wright and then turn around and put all the blame on Jerry for other picks. It's clear that it's a group effort here because the Joneses do not know much about personnel. They don't spend months scouting players. They rely on their scouting department and coaches for input.

Now, I'm sure there are things like keeping the 4-3 that Parcells was hesitant about, and I'd classify signing Owens as one of those just based on how Parcells chose to handle Owens. But I find no reason to believe that Parcells left for any other reason that he stated. As a workaholic, he put a lot into winning and the losing just ate at him. He finally said, "I'm too old for this."

I think Mike has done a great job here, especially considering the circumstances, but I wasn’t wild about the hire. Was this going to be the first HC to win a SB with two teams? I dunno. I had a tough time with Rodgers’ comments on him. Also he is an offensive guy yet claimed to want to keep Kellen Moore….then years later cited a difference in philosophy for his departure. Moore didn’t change.

Mike wanted and needed the gig, similar to Parcells. He was willing to accept certain circumstances regardless of what was said. Parcells did say he met with Zimmer and was comfortable giving it a try, but if I had to guess, the regret in his voice at the exit presser was about not doing it his way to start, not so much about not being extended.

Point being, Jerry’s unwillingness to eat coach contracts and/or not have one of his own guys in place has been problematic.

Jerry may have been involved at whatever level, but when Parcells was here he was perceived as the man in charge. That’s vital for a HC. Jerry just had to bite his tongue to get his stayjum and I won’t be convinced he wasn’t happy as hell that he was in prime position to hire a puppet like Wade and scoop up max credit himself.

As far as Wright, I recall reading something about them being on the board and asking Quinn on the spot who he liked. He offered Wrights name since he worked him out personally. Consensus 7th round/UDFA grade notwithstanding. Reminded me of some of the Jerry picks in the early 2000s.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Hate on bro. It’s what your good at.

It's called deciphering information.

Has nothing to do with the player (obvious to any discerning reader), but more about the pointlessness of the question to Humphrey, and the silliness anyone taking what he said as some kind of evaluation of Beebe.

A reporter could go and ask Patrick Mahomes what he thought of Daniel Jones, and he'd be all "great QB, has all the tools to be one of the best".

But you know this has nothing to do with Beebe himself....only an idiot would think that.

 

[gimmesix]

I think Mike has done a great job here, especially considering the circumstances, but I wasn’t wild about the hire. Was this going to be the first HC to win a SB with two teams? I dunno. I had a tough time with Rodgers’ comments on him. Also he is an offensive guy yet claimed to want to keep Kellen Moore….then years later cited a difference in philosophy for his departure. Moore didn’t change.

My reason for being OK with McCarthy was because of his success before his last couple of years in Green Bay. Looking at those years, he lost Rodgers to a broken clavicle that he tried to return from earlier than he should have and then the next year Rodgers played through a leg fracture and sprained MCL. Before then, he took Green Bay to the playoffs nine times, four NFC Championship Games and the Super Bowl. Fans want to dismiss that success because he had Rodgers, but I'd rather give a coach who has been there a chance than someone who has proven nothing. Either way, you've got to know when to pull the plug, and this season should be it if he does not get us to the NFC title game.

 

[fivetwos]

My reason for being OK with McCarthy was because of his success before his last couple of years in Green Bay. Looking at those years, he lost Rodgers to a broken clavicle that he tried to return from earlier than he should have and then the next year Rodgers played through a leg fracture and sprained MCL. Before then, he took Green Bay to the playoffs nine times, four NFC Championship Games and the Super Bowl. Fans want to dismiss that success because he had Rodgers, but I'd rather give a coach who has been there a chance than someone who has proven nothing. Either way, you've got to know when to pull the plug, and this season should be it if he does not get us to the NFC title game.

Yeah I mean, MM was brought here to take a reasonably talented team to a level that Garrett could not, yes?

He did that. Unfortunately it was from perpetual 8-8 to 12-5 but still early playoff exits.

Mikes a good coach, but he is no match for younger, brighter minds like Shanahan and LaFleur, and that’s been the difference in the playoff games IMO.

It’s very parallel with another member of the team whom this thread isn’t about….very good, but not quite good enough in the end.

 

[stilltheguru]

Yeah I mean, MM was brought here to take a reasonably talented team to a level that Garrett could not, yes?

He did that. Unfortunately it was from perpetual 8-8 to 12-5 but still early playoff exits.

Mikes a good coach, but he is no match for younger, brighter minds like Shanahan and LaFleur, and that’s been the difference in the playoff games IMO.

It’s very parallel with another member of the team whom this thread isn’t about….very good, but not quite good enough in the end.

Mike's offenses went up against Joe Barry's defense not Lafleurs defense. The difference in the playoffs is our defense is cupcake soft and niners/Packers aren't AND Dak gets tight.

 

[DuncanIso]

My reason for being OK with McCarthy was because of his success before his last couple of years in Green Bay. Looking at those years, he lost Rodgers to a broken clavicle that he tried to return from earlier than he should have and then the next year Rodgers played through a leg fracture and sprained MCL. Before then, he took Green Bay to the playoffs nine times, four NFC Championship Games and the Super Bowl. Fans want to dismiss that success because he had Rodgers, but I'd rather give a coach who has been there a chance than someone who has proven nothing. Either way, you've got to know when to pull the plug, and this season should be it if he does not get us to the NFC title game.

Rodgers hated big Mike.

one of the reasons he was fired from GB.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

 

[fivetwos]

Mike's offenses went up against Joe Barry's defense not Lafleurs defense. The difference in the playoffs is our defense is cupcake soft and niners/Packers aren't AND Dak gets tight.

Sure, but it was LaFleur that prepped the team to get after it. They were extremely prepared.

I’m not even sure that blame has to go to Mike entirely, since this has been a problem under several head coaches.

I dunno, maybe Jerry talking Super Bowl every five minutes makes them look past early playoff games that they are favored in. Just guessing.

Or just maybe whoever he made the deal with for SB30 is holding Jerry to his end of the bargain. He no longer has a soul to sell. Anyone’s guess, but they have really had some legendary choke jobs. First to lose as a one seed, first to do it twice, and first 2/7 loser. All home games.

 

[gimmesix]

Rodgers hated big Mike.

one of the reasons he was fired from GB.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

He did, but part of the problem in the end is McCarthy tried to adjust his offense to compensate for Rodgers' injuries. Rodgers naturally felt he could still do all the things he was doing when not injured and became even more disenchanted with McCarthy. McCarthy was in a tough situation because here he had a future Hall-of-Famer that he was trying to keep from further injury by not letting him shoulder as much of the load as he wanted. It made a coach who had experienced a lot of success with that QB look fairly incompetent. It wasn't revealed publicly that Rodgers played through a stress fracture until after McCarthy's final season there.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah I mean, MM was brought here to take a reasonably talented team to a level that Garrett could not, yes?

He did that. Unfortunately it was from perpetual 8-8 to 12-5 but still early playoff exits.

Mikes a good coach, but he is no match for younger, brighter minds like Shanahan and LaFleur, and that’s been the difference in the playoff games IMO.

It’s very parallel with another member of the team whom this thread isn’t about….very good, but not quite good enough in the end.

I don't know. I was very pleased with a lot of the things that McCarthy added to the offense last year. He could use the run game better, but he definitely understands passing offense. His offense does deserve some of the blame for the playoff loss, but it's been our defense that has let us down the most in the playoffs. Now, in the previous two playoff losses to San Fran with Garrett pupil Kellen Moore guiding the offense, the limitations of the Garrett philosophy again reared its ugly head.

Of course, I don't know if this year's defense will be any different than last year's in terms of success. As long as the Joneses keep turning to old, mostly finished players (or never-wases) to fix leaks, it's going to be tough for any DC to do any better than Quinn did IMO. Of course, we'll blame the DC for the failures instead of putting it all where it belongs.

 

[fivetwos]

I don't know. I was very pleased with a lot of the things that McCarthy added to the offense last year. He could use the run game better, but he definitely understands passing offense. His offense does deserve some of the blame for the playoff loss, but it's been our defense that has let us down the most in the playoffs. Now, in the previous two playoff losses to San Fran with Garrett pupil Kellen Moore guiding the offense, the limitations of the Garrett philosophy again reared its ugly head.

Of course, I don't know if this year's defense will be any different than last year's in terms of success. As long as the Joneses keep turning to old, mostly finished players (or never-wases) to fix leaks, it's going to be tough for any DC to do any better than Quinn did IMO. Of course, we'll blame the DC for the failures instead of putting it all where it belongs.

Can’t disagree with any of that