Kansas City Chiefs center Creed Humphrey believes Cooper Beebe will be great for Dallas Cowboys

[gimmesix]

For me, Parcells’ career speaks more about the difficulty of winning a SB even if you’re a great team builder and motivator.

He won in 86 legit. They were the best team all along and peaked in the end, but he was one very makeable FG away from only having that one.

I don’t blame Jerry for not winning a SB while he was running it all, I blame him for not even coming close, as well as some very heartbreaking playoff defeats due to the team not being ready. His ego made some odd coaching choices.

I think if Parcells had landed on his QB sooner, he would have more to show for his time here. We used all aspects of team building at that time, but he cycled through Quincy and washed-up Testaverde and Bledsoe before finally handing the reins to Romo. And by the time he did that, he was burnt. Wade Phillips almost was able to win with Parcells' players before it went south for him because of his lack of discipline as a head coach.

 

[Rockport]

One day you will see it. Then you can come up with another theory.

They’ll hang on to the last little breath of air in criticizing the Cowboys. As soon as the Cowboys win a playoff game, they’ll come crawling back. I’ll be at the rails of the ship kicking them back into their dregs of darkness.

 

[Rockport]

Wow..what a hot take.

You mean that when another NFL player was asked about Beebe, said player didn't say "That guy SUCKS!. He'll never amount to anything!"

Shocking.

Humphrey probably has never even seen the guy play a down.

Hate on bro. It’s what your good at.

 

[fivetwos]

I think if Parcells had landed on his QB sooner, he would have more to show for his time here. We used all aspects of team building at that time, but he cycled through Quincy and washed-up Testaverde and Bledsoe before finally handing the reins to Romo. And by the time he did that, he was burnt. Wade Phillips almost was able to win with Parcells' players before it went south for him because of his lack of discipline as a head coach.

I also think if he was allowed to implement his 34 defense when he got here things may have been different. But nope, Jerry didn’t want to eat Zimmers deal so he had to wait until year three.

Of course they had a legendary draft in 2005 which allowed the transition to happen quickly, but there wasn’t enough time before Jerry realized the roster was built and said he will take it from here.

I know that if Parcells was around, those 2007-09 teams would have at least made an NFC CG.

But much like after Jimmy left, the roster got worse and we listened to Garrett tell us about a “process” for ten years.

 

[Rockport]

I also think if he was allowed to implement his 34 defense when he got here things may have been different. But nope, Jerry didn’t want to eat Zimmers deal so he had to wait until year three.

Of course they had a legendary draft in 2005 which allowed the transition to happen quickly, but there wasn’t enough time before Jerry realized the roster was built and said he will take it from here.

I know that if Parcells was around, those 2007-09 teams would have at least made an NFC CG.

But much like after Jimmy left, the roster got worse and we listened to Garrett tell us about a “process” for ten years.

Not sure why you’re trying to change history. Obviously because of your agenda but Jerry didn’t run Parcells out. Parcells was ready to hang it up. Didn’t have the passion or stamina anymore.

 

[fivetwos]

Not sure why you’re trying to change history. Obviously because of your agenda but Jerry didn’t run Parcells out. Parcells was ready to hang it up. Didn’t have the passion or stamina anymore.

Yeah maybe, but in that exit presser Parcells sounded full of regret, and Jerry seemed pretty damned ok with it.

You really think Jerry did all he could to convince Parcells to stay and get to the next level, or was it more about recognizing the situation was to ripe hire a puppet and take all the credit for himself?

That’s what I believe, and you’re more than welcome to disagree.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah maybe, but in that exit presser Parcells sounded full of regret, and Jerry seemed pretty damned ok with it.

You really think Jerry did all he could to convince Parcells to stay and get to the next level, or was it more about recognizing the situation was to ripe hire a puppet and take all the credit for himself?

That’s what I believe, and you’re more than welcome to disagree.

Parcells mentioned many times he didn’t have the energy anymore. How old are you? Maybe you weren’t around back then. Anyone else besides me around when Parcells decided to retire once again?

 

[gimmesix]

Not sure why you’re trying to change history. Obviously because of your agenda but Jerry didn’t run Parcells out. Parcells was ready to hang it up. Didn’t have the passion or stamina anymore.

I don't always agree with you on everything, but I mostly do on this. Parcells was a very driven coach, one of those who puts everything into winning. He said when he exited that he just couldn't take losses anymore, they ate him up. It's hard for fans to accept that, even though he's the one who said it, when we instead want to blame Jerry for all that is wrong with the team, when he's only responsible for most things wrong with the team.

Parcells did go on to be vice president of football operations for Miami, but the fact that he didn't try to return to coaching is an indication of his burnout. He just couldn't do it anymore because of what he put into it.

 

[Rockport]

I don't always agree with you on everything, but I mostly do on this. Parcells was a very driven coach, one of those who puts everything into winning. He said when he exited that he just couldn't take losses anymore, they ate him up. It's hard for fans to accept that, even though he's the one who said it, when we instead want to blame Jerry for all that is wrong with the team, when he's only responsible for most things wrong with the team.

Parcells did go on to be vice president of football operations for Miami, but the fact that he didn't try to return to coaching is an indication of his burnout. He just couldn't do it anymore because of what he put into it.

Finally, thank you.

 

[gimmesix]

I also think if he was allowed to implement his 34 defense when he got here things may have been different. But nope, Jerry didn’t want to eat Zimmers deal so he had to wait until year three.

Of course they had a legendary draft in 2005 which allowed the transition to happen quickly, but there wasn’t enough time before Jerry realized the roster was built and said he will take it from here..

That's possible. I don't know if I've ever read details of why he didn't switch to the 3-4 immediately. Maybe he just thought that was the quickest way to compete since he didn't have the personnel to make the switch when he first took the job. I'm just not willing to blame Jerry on things like that when I don't know how much of it Parcells should shoulder. It's like the Owens' signing. A lot of fans say that he pushed Owens on Parcells, but Parcells has essentially denied that. It wasn't his idea (and probably never would have been), but he says he told Jerry, "I support it."

 

[quickccc]

I think the issue with Biadasz with fans is that he had to follow Fredbeard and lots of people were trying to make comparisons. I don't think it was fair as Fredbeard was probably one of our best centers.

My issue with Biadasz in '23, was he was falling off blocks and not able to get to the second level of defenders, ..it was so poor that i thought for sure that he had to be hurt. But we never heard of any pending injury of him.

Ex-Eagle great center Jason Kelce proved that you don't have to be the Incredible Hulk as a center if well equipped with savvy, keen awareness, great techniques and lateral movement skills. But Biadasz was not a complete center in that aspect. I took his Pro Bowl nod as a Cowboys popularity contest, and maybe no one else in consideration as an alternative.

Because we certainly did not see anything Pro Bowl warranted in him last year. I was ready to get rid of him in '21,.. he bounce back nicely in '22, and his game went back to lacking in '23.

Cowboys were obviously ready to move on, and definitely looking to upgrade.

 

[quickccc]

Does Beebe get the start center next Sunday?

That would be my question too as of right now .

Will be the more physically gifted but inexperience Beebe ?
Or the Solari favorite in vet Hoffman ?

My best bet says the starter will be Hoffman per On road, experience, QB rapport,..loud hostile crowd, shot gun snap concerns, audibles, etc. ...but i expect Beebe to eventually be broken into come home games.
Just my wild guess work.

 

[Rockport]

That would be my question too as of right now .

Will be the more physically gifted but inexperience Beebe ?
Or the Solari favorite in vet Hoffman ?

My best bet says the starter will be Hoffman per On road, experience, QB rapport,..loud hostile crowd, shot gun snap concerns, audibles, etc. ...but i expect Beebe to eventually be broken into come home games.
Just my wild guess work.

It’s already been announced Beebe’s the starter.

 

[quickccc]

I think if Parcells had landed on his QB sooner, he would have more to show for his time here. We used all aspects of team building at that time, but he cycled through Quincy and washed-up Testaverde and Bledsoe before finally handing the reins to Romo. And by the time he did that, he was burnt. Wade Phillips almost was able to win with Parcells' players before it went south for him because of his lack of discipline as a head coach.

I thought it differently .

- Parcells wanted the say so who regarding the players here,.. Jerry still wanted the sock and jocks operation. that's why we ended up
with the malignant Terrell Owens - a player who bumped heads with Tuna of course,

- With Parcells having to arm wrestle with Jerry, on player personnel, Parcells knew this would not really be his team.
Could not really run and structure it to his liking. - So he said " Bye Felicia "

- It's not gonna be any different with any current.. or future HC.. so long as Jerry is owner & GM ,.. heck I'm not sure it's gonna be
any different when unfortunately Jerry has passed on and his son Stephen Cap Boy takes over.

Imo, Stephen has had a bigger, more powerful influence on Cowboys day to day operations and player personnel manuever - and even
coaching hiring than what many may recognize.

 

[gimmesix]

I thought it differently .

- Parcells wanted the say so who regarding the players here,.. Jerry still wanted the sock and jocks operation. that's why we ended up
with the malignant Terrell Owens - a player who bumped heads with Tuna of course,

- With Parcells having to arm wrestle with Jerry, on player personnel, Parcells knew this would not really be his team.
Could not really run and structure it to his liking. - So he said " Bye Felicia "

- It's not gonna be any different with any current.. or future HC.. so long as Jerry is owner & GM ,.. heck I'm not sure it's gonna be
any different when unfortunately Jerry has passed on and his son Stephen Cap Boy takes over.

Imo, Stephen has had a bigger, more powerful influence on Cowboys day to day operations and player personnel manuever - and even
coaching hiring than what many may recognize.

A lot of fans thought it differently, but to do that, you had to ignore what Parcells has said or not believe him. I guess some would rather to do than to believe what comes directly from the source.

There's this: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/...t-the-reason-bill-parcells-left-dallas/78079/

And this: http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/parcells-says-he-supports-signing-of-owens.35775/

I don't think Parcells is the type to blow smoke. If Dallas signed Owens over Parcells' objections, I think he would have said so. After all, he famously said of his time in New England: "If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries."

 

[quickccc]

A lot of fans thought it differently, but to do that, you had to ignore what Parcells has said or not believe him. I guess some would rather to do than to believe what comes directly from the source.

There's this: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/...t-the-reason-bill-parcells-left-dallas/78079/

And this: http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/parcells-says-he-supports-signing-of-owens.35775/

I don't think Parcells is the type to blow smoke. If Dallas signed Owens over Parcells' objections, I think he would have said so. After all, he famously said of his time in New England: "If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries."

I don't think Parcells is the one to highlight his distain for a player and and single a player out either.

If anything he is the type to try to de-escalate a brewing situation, especially to get it away from the media.

He's not the one that holds a press conference or public interview to display on how unhappy he was to be with a high profile player.
and " that happy to have Owens "" seems like that was before he had to deal with

He did say coaching is a young man's game and that's why he deterred to front office management, rather than remain into head coaching

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...l-owens-to-the-miami-dolphins-forget-about-it

"... Yes, they had a serious falling out in Dallas, and it's one of the reasons Parcells was forced out of town..... "

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2543806

 

[fivetwos]

That's possible. I don't know if I've ever read details of why he didn't switch to the 3-4 immediately. Maybe he just thought that was the quickest way to compete since he didn't have the personnel to make the switch when he first took the job. I'm just not willing to blame Jerry on things like that when I don't know how much of it Parcells should shoulder. It's like the Owens' signing. A lot of fans say that he pushed Owens on Parcells, but Parcells has essentially denied that. It wasn't his idea (and probably never would have been), but he says he told Jerry, "I support it."

Parcells’ friend Mike Francesca was a top NY radio guy at the time, and he was going over the story of how BP ended up in Dallas. BP had just gotten divorced and needed a gig, and we of course know what Jerry needed out of it.

Francesca said he asked BP why he isn’t running his defense and he said Jerry asked him if he would retain Zimmer because “he liked him and he just extended him and didn’t want to eat the deal.” I recall exactly where I was when hearing that. At the time I didn’t really care, I was just happy to be finally headed in a better direction.

Blame Jerry? Yeah. He always does that and it’s always been problematic…or at least has never worked to a high level. The only thing in his defense is that we don’t know if things would have been any different the other way. Parcells willed that 2003 team into the playoffs, but after 2004, they were back at square one.

 

[blueblood70]

Kansas City does a combination of it all. The Chiefs brought in expensive free agents, traded players, drafted and used inexpensive free agents. The difference for us is that we bring in no expensive free agents. Again, if you look back at the Super Bowl teams for the past five, 10 years, you will find that all of them had expensive free agents on their Super Bowl rosters. That is part of the blueprint.

For example, before the 2023 season, the Chiefs signed Jacksonville LT Jawan Taylor for four years, $80 million, San Francisco DL Charles Omenihu for two years, $16 million and made other moves that were more typical of the moves we would have made. But the more expensive moves were to shore up areas that could have been weak links.

the last three years the kansas city chiefs brought in zero big time free agents. that coincides with PM new deals.. please i know this show me how they let go of ton of big names and filled in with RBBC and WRRBC through drafts and CHEAP FAS like JUJU give it a reast , just stop...

 

[gimmesix]

the last three years the kansas city chiefs brought in zero big time free agents. that coincides with PM new deals.. please i know this show me how they let go of ton of big names and filled in with RBBC and WRRBC through drafts and CHEAP FAS like JUJU give it a reast , just stop...

You call a four-year, $80 million deal cheap? That's what they paid for RT Jawaan Taylor last year. Not saying it was a good deal, but KC saw a need and tried to fix it. You have to use all aspects of roster-building, and the Chiefs do.

 

[gimmesix]

the last three years the kansas city chiefs brought in zero big time free agents. that coincides with PM new deals.. please i know this show me how they let go of ton of big names and filled in with RBBC and WRRBC through drafts and CHEAP FAS like JUJU give it a reast , just stop...

Sorry, didn't finish the thought before I timed out:

This is from https://kcsn.substack.com/p/wave-2-and-beyond-how-the-chiefs:

In 2019, KC's GM made "big moves immediately in free agency with the signings of Tyrann Mathieu, Alex Okafor, Bashaud Breeland and Damien Wilson. These four players were the first strikes of a new general manager, and all played significant roles in a Super Bowl winning team."

No one has ever said the team needs to go crazy with expensive free agent signings. You build through the draft. You supplement with a few key signings. This is the way Super Bowl winners do it. This year, the Chiefs paid $11 million for one year to WR Marquise Bornw, which is clse to what all our outside FAs cost.