Keep hearing certain people in the media say Dak is succeeding because of the RB and O-line

[DFWJC]

That win against Philly confirmed he is not a bus driver

yes
I'd say he's a good bit more than a bus driver.

 

[DallasEast]

No player is perfect.

Regardless of the sport, athletes are perfect in the eyes of some fans--as long as they help win games, matches, etc. Happens in every sport. When the winning stops, the same athletes aren't regarded as highly. Fans are fickle.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Regardless of the sport, athletes are perfect in the eyes of some fans--as long as they help win games, matches, etc. Happens in every sport. When the winning stops, the same athletes aren't regarded as highly. Fans are fickle.

A QB who is not turnover prone, can buy time, run, and make good decisions is my definition of a perfect QB lol

 

[Sydla]

so now you are going to act like when a QB has a winning 4th qtr drive he is not the reason for the win?

Not if the reason the QB needs to make a furious 4th Q comeback is because he played so terribly for 85% of the game and that's why he needed to mount a 4th Q comeback.

You can't just make huge chunks of games go away to fit your perverted agenda.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Not if the reason the QB needs to make a furious 4th Q comeback is because he played so terribly for 85% of the game and that's why he needed to mount a 4th Q comeback.

You can't just make huge chunks of games go away to fit your perverted agenda.

But if he made up for the crappy start by leading the team to a win then what is the issue?

Now if he had throw a INT that lead to them losing then I would have been critical.

 

[KJJ]

The OL and running game Zeke has provided has certainly helped Dak. The OL and Murray's great season contributed to Romo's career year in 2014. However Dak was getting it done in preseason before Zeke ever took a snap and he was not only getting it done with our starting OL but with backups. Regardless who was around him he had the highest passer rating of any QB in the entire league in preseason. Dak has won 3 games this season without Dez on the field and not having Dez for parts of last season or having a healthy Dez was the excuse many made for some of our backup QB struggles.

 

[DallasEast]

A QB who is not turnover prone, can buy time, run, and make good decisions is my definition of a perfect QB lol

Define "turnover prone".

If you say turnover prone is a quarterback who consistently throws passes to DBs while receivers always run correct routes, I agree with the term. If you mean that a quarterback fumbles the ball too often after receiving great protection from his offensive line, I agree also. However, if you are saying that "turnover prone" is a label that should be placed on a quarterback who has too often had <fill in the blank> INTs due to tipped passes, receivers out of position, etc. or not receiving the same protection time as his peers before some 290 lb defensive tackle plasters him in the backfield, that's where we differ on the term.

There is no such thing as a perfect quarterback. There are great quarterbacks. Elite quarterbacks. Perfect quarterbacks? No turnovers. No interceptions. No fumbles. Throws completions on every passing attempt. 100% passing touchdown ratio in the redzone. Nope. Those quarterbacks don't even exist in the movies.

 

[percyhoward]

This isn't an either/or, it's an and. Dak's succeeding because he's good and because he's got a great supporting cast on offense. For a rookie QB, "success" would usually mean he was managing the game well and not making too many mistakes. That's what Roethlisberger and later Wilson did when they were rookies. They didn't make mistakes and they didn't need to score a lot of points. Their own performances resulted in a lot of games with 100+ passer ratings, just as Dak's have so far.

Games with 100+ passer rating, rookie season
9 Wilson 2012
8 Griffin 2012
8 Rthlsbrgr 2004
6 Prescott 2016*
6 Newton 2011
6 Marino 1983

The difference with Prescott is that his defense isn't as good, so he's under more pressure to score points. His offense, with at least six past or future All Pro's, obviously makes that much easier. But he still has to make the plays, because when he doesn't play well, the offense struggles. Compared to the role played by Roethlisberger and Wilson in their rookie seasons, Dak's role is bigger. Because with this team, the offense's role is bigger. That's why Prescott is about to set the single-season rookie record for most 200+ yard passing games in a win.

Wins with 200+ yards passing, rookie season
8 Luck 2012
7 Prescott 2016*
6 Ryan 2008
5 Winston 2015
5 Bridgewater 2014
5 Smith 2013
5 Bulger 2002
5 Griffin 2012
5 Wilson 2012
4 Roethlisberger 2004
4 Marino 1983

All the parts have to be working offensively for a team to be able to go 8 straight games with 200+ yards passing and 100+ yards rushing.

 

[btcutter]

Which to me is BS, You still need the skills to get away from defenders and find the open man down field. Not only that he was able to beat two division rivals late in the 4th by effectively moving the chains. And let's not act like dak is well protected every time he steps back to throw which is another reason that statement annoys me

"he doesn't have to do much due to the running game and offensive line"

So that is a indirect way of saying he is a bus driver which is just a flat out dumb statement. Bus drivers don't win 7 games in a row and 4-0 on the road.

I think Jimmy Johnson said this on FOX yesterday that dak doesn't have to do much? What the hell is he talking about? lol

Stop listening to them!

Enjoy 7-1 while looking the part.
Enjoy that we found our future QB without having to suffer through years of searching and wasting high draft picks. Just ENJOY while other teams envy us.

 

[KJJ]

That win against Philly confirmed he is not a bus driver

Those who've called him a bus driver don't know what they're talking about. They think if a QB isn't throwing 350 yards and 4 TD's they're a bus driver. Just because he hasn't had a 300 yard game, "bus driver" keeps coming up. He's had 8 TD passes in his last 3 games. The more experience he gains the more shots he's taken down the field. He's on pace for a 4000 yard season and 24 TD's passing and 8 TD's rushing.

 

[Sydla]

But if he made up for the crappy start by leading the team to a win then what is the issue?

Now if he had throw a INT that lead to them losing then I would have been critical.

The issue is saying that the QB won the game on his own. That's the issue. This isn't rocket science.

 

[TheHerd]

The funny thing is the same people who are saying this about Dak would have heart attack if anyone suggests replacing him with Romo. So which is it?

 

[thunderpimp91]

But if he made up for the crappy start by leading the team to a win then what is the issue?

Now if he had throw a INT that lead to them losing then I would have been critical.

Because this entire thread was started because you disagreed with Jimmy Johnson saying "Dak doesnt have to do too much".

19/39 280yds 2td 1int isn't putting the team on your shoulders and carrying them to victory. He really didn't have to do too much. The Eagle game was a solid all around team win where Dak made adjustments, and came through in the end to finish things off.


I'm not anti Dak at all. If anything i'm anti the amount of credit we give to QBs not named Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Its a team game and the Dallas Cowboys are 7-1 right now because they are better all around than they were a year ago.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Define "turnover prone".

If you say turnover prone is a quarterback who consistently throws passes to DBs while receivers always run correct routes, I agree with the term. If you mean that a quarterback fumbles the ball too often after receiving great protection from his offensive line, I agree also. However, if you are saying that "turnover prone" is a label that should be placed on a quarterback who has too often had <fill in the blank> INTs due to tipped passes, receivers out of position, etc. or not receiving the same protection time as his peers before some 290 lb defensive tackle plasters him in the backfield, that's where we differ on the term.

There is no such thing as a perfect quarterback. There are great quarterbacks. Elite quarterbacks. Perfect quarterbacks? No turnovers. No interceptions. No fumbles. Throws completions on every passing attempt. 100% passing touchdown ratio in the redzone. Nope. Those quarterbacks don't even exist in the movies.

Turnover prone is a QB who makes bad decisions which is not effectively moving the chains. A QB who will throw a bomb on 3rd and 2 instead of getting the 1st down to keep the drive alive

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

The funny thing is the same people who are saying this about Dak would have heart attack if anyone suggests replacing him with Romo. So which is it?

I would have a heart attack if Romo came back

 

[DallasEast]

Turnover prone is a QB who makes bad decisions which is not effectively moving the chains. A QB who will throw a bomb on 3rd and 2 instead of getting the 1st down to keep the drive alive

Ah! The plot thickens! Pray tell could thou sayeth what play doesth your reference pertain to?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Those who've called him a bus driver don't know what they're talking about. They think if a QB isn't throwing 350 yards and 4 TD's they're a bus driver. Just because he hasn't had a 300 yard game, "bus driver" keeps coming up. He's had 8 TD passes in his last 3 games. The more experience he gains the more shots he's taken down the field. He's on pace for a 4000 yard season and 24 TD's passing and 8 TD's rushing.

The playbook for Dak has opened as the season has progressed. To argue otherwise is to ignore reality.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Ah! The plot thickens! Pray tell could thou sayeth what play doesth your reference pertain to?

I just seen QB's in the past make stupid decisions on 3rd and 4 instead of getting the first down. Dak knows how to keep the drive alive and would throw a 5 yd pass on 3rd and 4 or run for it. Some QB's would throw a 18 yd pass on 3rd and 4 and then the team has to punt.

 

[DallasEast]

I just seen QB's in the past make stupid decisions on 3rd and 4 instead of getting the first down. Dak knows how to keep the drive alive and would throw a 5 yd pass on 3rd and 4 or run for it. Some QB's would throw a 18 yd pass on 3rd and 4 and then the team has to punt.

Why the deflection?

 

[Hardline]

Those "certain" people are correct. The RB and Offensive line are the reason Dak is succeeding. But that doesn't take away the fact that Dak is contributing to his personal accomplishments either.