Keeping Melton won't be difficult

[big dog cowboy]

First off as Jerry has seen, outside of the Deion signing free agents are not a good answer... a long term plan is. And both Jerry and Stephen (more so) have stated that on occasion.

I think they've learned their lessons about having to resort to free agency to plug holes.

Just look at the last couple of years when they have had their chances and passed.

 

[atlantacowboy]

No... I just don't think that's going to happen.

First off as Jerry has seen, outside of the Deion signing free agents are not a good answer... a long term plan is. And both Jerry and Stephen (more so) have stated that on occasion.

I think they've learned their lessons about having to resort to free agency to plug holes.

If this team wins a SB with Romo I'd be ecstatic. But I would be equally ecstatic to see it as a consistent playoff participant over the next 6 years.

Jerry Jones isn't looking 5-6 years down the road. He wants that super bowl and he knows Romo is his best chance. His legacy as a GM and perhaps even his HOF induction are in the balance.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wouldn't argue with you. When we were winning Super Bowls, kicking the can down the road made more sense. Return on investment.

And a few years ago, we mortgaged part of the future to keep that team together, with ownership always thinking we were this close.

And I'm not saying Melton isn't a good player and isn't playing well. He is.

I'm just not sure if I want to get into the business of guaranteeing him $9 million next year with so many other 'mouths to feed'.

I think he will restructure the contract so that the 9 mill does not hit all at once. Players often will work with the team to help the team free up cap money and in the end the player will not lose money.

 

[Stash]

I think he will restructure the contract so that the 9 mill does not hit all at once. Players often will work with the team to help the team free up cap money and in the end the player will not lose money.

But, even if he does that, he's owed salaries of $7.5 million in 2016 and 2017 already. Spreading out that hit only makes those costs that much worse.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jerry Jones isn't looking 5-6 years down the road. He wants that super bowl and he knows Romo is his best chance. His legacy as a GM and perhaps even his HOF induction are in the balance.

No. I don't think it's that dire for him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Making 2016 and 2017 salaries over $10 million instead of the current $7.5.

But keep trying to gloss over that fact in your rush to put us back in cap purgatory.



Back up what you're saying here. I see two guys - two! - making more than the $9 million that the Cowboys would owe Melton for 2015, Gerald McCoy and Suh.

So tell me again where your "going rate" comes from and how $9 million is "well below"?

You really don't know how contracts work. The value is based in the average salary that is likely to be paid and dead money.

It isn't just about 2015 either.

Suh's contract was 13 million per year on average, McCoy 15.8 million per year on average.

You need to start looking at the entire contract not cherry picking what years you want to look at.

 

[Doomsday101]

But, even if he does that, he's owed salaries of $7.5 million in 2016 and 2017 already. Spreading out that hit only makes those costs that much worse.

Again I think Dallas will restructure the deal so that we will not be hit with 9 mill in a single season, will he get paid? You bet but then part of putting a team together capable of winning it all is by getting very good talent. I think he has the remainder of this season to show his value to the team. As I said I do have concerns with the cap but I'm not interested in ditching quality players to have ample cap space if we are not winning ball games. I think Stephen will be able to do some things to free up money to retain some very key players.

 

[Stash]

You really don't know how contracts work. The value is based in the average salary that is likely to be paid and dead money.

It isn't just about 2015 either.

Suh's contract was 13 million per year on average, McCoy 15.8 million per year on average.

You need to start looking at the entire contract not cherry picking what years you want to look at.

Practice what you're preaching.

You're the guy talking about spreading out $9 million over 3 years adding to a salary already at $7.5 million!

And, again, show me more examples where defensive tackles are averaging over $8 million per year. After all, you were claiming that to be below rate.

 

[Doomsday101]

You really don't know how contracts work. The value is based in the average salary that is likely to be paid and dead money.

It isn't just about 2015 either.

Suh's contract was 13 million per year on average, McCoy 15.8 million per year on average.

You need to start looking at the entire contract not cherry picking what years you want to look at.

I agree how the contract is structured matters. Dallas can avoid the 9 mill next season which was lessen the cap hit for 2015 but in the end the player will still get the overall amount of the contract.

 

[Stash]

Again I think Dallas will restructure the deal so that we will not be hit with 9 mill in a single season, will he get paid? You bet but then part of putting a team together capable of winning it all is by getting very good talent. I think he has the remainder of this season to show his value to the team. As I said I do have concerns with the cap but I'm not interested in ditching quality players to have ample cap space if we are not winning ball games. I think Stephen will be able to do some things to free up money to retain some very key players.

How would you like to reorganize the $9 million guaranteed and then $7.5 million and $7.5 million?

Only so many ways you can shuffle around $24 million he's owed...

 

[Doomsday101]

How would you like to reorganize the $9 million guaranteed and then $7.5 million and $7.5 million?

Only so many ways you can shuffle around $24 million he's owed...

1 I would expect the deal will go beyond the 3 years left on the contract and I suspect a bigger signing bonus.

 

[Stash]

1 I would expect the deal will go beyond the 3 years left on the contract and I suspect a bigger signing bonus.

Then you're still looking at big numbers. I would very much like to see the specific numbers you would be referring to.

As it stands, he's got a guarantee of $9 million for 2015 alone.

And salaries of $7.5 million for two years after that.

To add another year, you're going to have to guarantee him over the $16.5 he's due over the next two years. Otherwise, there's no incentive for the player to give up the guarantees he's already getting.

And then, you're looking at big guaranteed money for a player known for both injury and off-field issues, hoping that he will maintain the performance level he has during a career-defining season.

Again, I would like to see specifics on the numbers you're talking about.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then you're still looking at big numbers. I would very much like to see the specific numbers you would be referring to.

As it stands, he's got a guarantee of $9 million for 2015 alone.

And salaries of $7.5 million for two years after that.

To add another year, you're going to have to guarantee him over the $16.5 he's due over the next two years. Otherwise, there's no incentive for the player to give up the guarantees he's already getting.

And then, you're looking at big guaranteed money for a player known for both injury and off-field issues, hoping that he will maintain the performance level he has during a career-defining season.

Again, I would like to see specifics on the numbers you're talking about.

Yes they will likely back load the deal, pretty much restricting the contract and providing a sizable singing bonus. Yes I am banking he will stay our of trouble and continue to play hard but then if you hold that view Dallas may as well just cut all players after their rookies deals are done.

 

[Stash]

Yes they will likely back load the deal, pretty much restricting the contract and providing a sizable singing bonus.

So no specific numbers then?

Yes I am banking he will stay our of trouble and continue to play hard but then if you hold that view Dallas may as well just cut all players after their rookies deals are done.

Or you could guarantee big money to the next Jay Ratliff and let that guy hold you hostage with bad attitude and phantom injuries?

 

[Doomsday101]

So no specific numbers then?



Or you could guarantee big money to the next Jay Ratliff and let that guy hold you hostage with bad attitude and phantom injuries?

I don't know how Stephen will restructure any comment I make would be a guess on my part but Dallas very well could extend the deal out and provide a good signing bonus should they want him back

As far as him being the next Ratliff you can do that with any player so does this mean we just let guys go at the end of the rookie deal? Oh he is only playing for the money hell they are all playing for the money but if a guy is showing very good talent then resign him if possible. I have watched Melton since he was with UT he is not a bad guy nor has he shown a bad attitude when asked to go from RB to DT he did so with no issues and played very well.

 

[Stash]

I don't know how Stephen will restructure any comment I make would be a guess on my part but Dallas very well could extend the deal out and provide a good signing bonus should they want him back

So, make a guess! That's what the rest of us are doing! Better to do that and give something concrete rather than the ambiguous "because they just can!" answer you're giving now.

As far as him being the next Ratliff you can do that with any player so does this mean we just let guys go at the end of the rookie deal? Oh he is only playing for the money hell they are all playing for the money but if a guy is showing very good talent then resign him if possible. I have watched Melton since he was with UT he is not a bad guy nor has he shown a bad attitude when asked to go from RB to DT he did so with no issues and played very well.

If he was as perfect as you claim, he'd have never gotten out of Chicago.

Make no mistake, Dallas has great leverage with all of these players in contract years. They will never be more motivated than they are now.

And it is human nature to tap the brakes once you reach any measure of a finish line, especially with pro athletes. It's a lot easier to miss a few plays or a few games knowing you have the security of guaranteed money.

And nobody is claiming Melton is a 'bad guy'. Just discussing the fact that it will be far from 'easy' or any sort of a given that he's brought back for such a steep price.

It's a tough decision to have to make.

 

[Doomsday101]

So, make a guess! That's what the rest of us are doing! Better to do that and give something concrete rather than the ambiguous "because they just can!" answer you're giving now.



If he was as perfect as you claim, he'd have never gotten out of Chicago.

Make no mistake, Dallas has great leverage with all of these players in contract years. They will never be more motivated than they are now.

And it is human nature to tap the brakes once you reach any measure of a finish line, especially with pro athletes. It's a lot easier to miss a few plays or a few games knowing you have the security of guaranteed money.

And nobody is claiming Melton is a 'bad guy'. Just discussing the fact that it will be far from 'easy' or any sort of a given that he's brought back for such a steep price.

It's a tough decision to have to make.

You can do that with every player heck may as well not sign Dez, don't sign Murray or Ro hell if that is the case may as well go cheap and learn to love losing seasons. Melton had 1 incident that was settled out of court.

 

[Stash]

You can do that with every player heck may as well not sign Dez, don't sign Murray or Ro hell if that is the case may as well go cheap and learn to love losing seasons.

Why does everything need to be absolutes with you? Absolutely this way or absolutely the opposite! Do you have trouble understanding anything other than extremes? Or do you just use that to try to help your case?

Until it happens, I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that any of those players are guaranteed to return next year. And I don't think this franchise would crumble if any of them weren't.

Melton had 1 incident that was settled out of court.

And he's also had a serious knee injury. One which was repaired but not erased.

I'm not saying Melton is a bad guy. I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm not saying he's not playing well. He's playing great.

What I am saying is that keeping him will not be easy, it won't be cheap, and it's not a foregone conclusion that it happens.

That's all I'm actually saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why does everything need to be absolutes with you? Absolutely this way or absolutely the opposite! Do you have trouble understanding anything other than extremes? Or do you just use that to try to help your case?

Until it happens, I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that any of those players are guaranteed to return next year. And I don't think this franchise would crumble if any of them weren't.



And he's also had a serious knee injury. One which was repaired but not erased.

I'm not saying Melton is a bad guy. I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm not saying he's not playing well. He's playing great.

What I am saying is that keeping him will not be easy, it won't be cheap, and it's not a foregone conclusion that it happens.

That's all I'm actually saying.

I never said it was a done deal I said Dallas if they choose can restructure the contract, I think much of that will depend on how he finishes the season. He is just now playing as many had hoped for and should he continue to produce as he has as of late then yes I think there is a good chance Dallas will do what they can to bring him back

 

[waving monkey]

afteer we resign about six big dollar contract that money isn't going to look so easy
but yes we need to sign Melton