Kellen Moore and his pedigree

[pancakeman]

I like Moore. But we needed to bring in someone to push him in camp and not just hand him the starting job.

Ideally Dak's that someone.

 

[jnday]

I understand your point, but I think last year's plummet had more to do with how awful the backups were; not so much as the team is "Romo dependent". I think if they went with Kellen Moore from the time Romo got hurt, he would have grown into his post. Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel were never going to lead this team to where they wanted to go. Moore knows the system better. I believe Moore would have led the Cowboys to at least a few more wins.

Having said that, yes, Romo is the key. But many teams are over-reliant on their starter. We saw the 2014 Cardinals fall apart without Carson Palmer. The 2013 Packers went 2-4-1 without Aaron Rodgers. It's a quarterback driven league, so it's hard to fault the Cowboys for losing without the most important player on the team (and Dez for a long stretch, too).

For too long, the offense has been centered around Romo and his play-making ability that usually shows up after he extends the play. That is no way to run an offense. Dallas l' offense needs to start becoming independent from Romo. In other words, they need a offense that is not based on an individual player to succeed. The great coaches have those types of systems in place. Landry had his system. The modern day Pats had Brady go down and still won games. That is just a couple examples to get my point across. Romo will be gone soon. If things don't change, it will be 10 years before the offense can function without him. Romo is a good QB, but last season should have opened some eyes that Dallas needs to start backing away from him for the long term success of the team. I hope I am getting my point across without confusing everybody lol.

 

[Idgit]

Ideally Dak's that someone.

I think we should have done both. Carry a developmental guy and upgrade QB2.

I like Dak for what he is, but a rookie mid rounder is not much of a backup plan.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Kellen Moore with a running game featuring Zeke is better than anyone else out there with the same running game.
Nobody was winning ball games last year with this team, not even Romo.
We got a gift the first week, beat a horrible team in Philly the second week and then got destroyed by Carolina on thanksgiving with Romo. Romo is not the savior of our team. The running game is and helps Romo out more than anyone. Moore will be just fine if needed for a game or two.

you misspelled "injured still and on a short week"

 

[jnday]

All I am asking is that you give Dak an honest shot at the number 2 position.

I am sure he will get it. He is the first QB that they have drafted in years and he is getting an unreal amount of attention already. He has went from a low tier QB a few days ago to the future of the team. Realty is gonna really hit those exoectations hard when fans realize that there was a reason that he was not drafted higher. He could be better than Moore though. That is not saying much.

 

[Blast From The Past]

They blitz Moore A LOT during his snaps. Watch the Jets and Bills game. At times they was throwing the house at him. They really tried to rattle him. I thought he did fine but he lost vision in the middle of the field at time. For a first time starter he perfected back shoulder and come back routes. Those are some hard routes to defend.

I think Moore does a good job of forgetting mistakes and moving forward without fear. Can't really teach that trait. He'll be fine as our backup for a bit if needed. Realistically what volume and quality of qb reps running the Cowboys playbook did he get last season vs.running the practice (scout) team playbook? How many plays out of our playbook did he get to run in practice before being thrown into a live game. I think with a full camp and getting way more reps he will be better if he has to be put in a live game again.

 

[conner01]

yes he was......he was a turnover and sack machine.....defenders were licking their chops against him......no fear of getting beat deep

he should never play a meaningful snap for us again.....he is that bad....any time wasted on him is just that..

He threw 6 ints and 4 td's in his first two and a half nfl games. What did you expect for a guy who had never started a game

 

[waldoputty]

Posted this in another thread.

Here are some ball velocities for Moore compared to QBs drafted this year including Dak.
Everyone would have been happy with Wentz - he is 5 MPH better than Moore and 3 MPH better than Dak - how important?

Moore: 52 MPH
Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59 MPH
Jared Goff, California 58 MPH
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57 MPH
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54 MPH
Cook was only 50MPH but may have had some issue
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/One of the biggest complaints for Moore is his noodle arm.

 

[Nightman]

Posted this in another thread.

Here are some ball velocities for Moore compared to QBs drafted this year including Dak.
Everyone would have been happy with Wentz - he is 5 MPH better than Moore and 3 MPH better than Dak - how important?

Moore: 52 MPH
Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59 MPH
Jared Goff, California 58 MPH
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57 MPH
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54 MPH
Cook was only 50MPH but may have had some issue
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/One of the biggest complaints for Moore is his noodle arm.

What is your point??? Lynch has one of the highest 59 and Moore has one of the lowest at 52...that 7 MPH appears to be a very wide spread....and that has nothing to do with how far a guy can throw either......it is widely known that Moore has a very weak arm, no size and no running ability...

 

[Nightman]

He threw 6 ints and 4 td's in his first two and a half nfl games. What did you expect for a guy who had never started a game

those are 6 good reasons he had never thrown a pass in a game before

 

[waldoputty]

What is your point??? Lynch has one of the highest 59 and Moore has one of the lowest at 52...that 7 MPH appears to be a very wide spread....and that has nothing to do with how far a guy can throw either......it is widely known that Moore has a very weak arm, no size and no running ability...

Actually I do not know how to interpret it.
7mph is about a 12% difference - is that critical?

I did the math for Lynch (59) vs. Moore (52) for a pass that travels 84 ft (20 yard pass to side line).
My equation is: distance in feet / (5280 * mph) * 3600 seconds/hour

If I did the math right, 59mph pass takes 0.97 seconds while 52 mph pass takes 1.1 seconds to cover 84 ft.
Is that a big deal?

 

[Nightman]

Actually I do not know how to interpret it.
7mph is about a 12% difference - is that critical?

I did the math for Lynch (59) vs. Moore (52) for a pass that travels 84 ft (20 yard pass to side line).
My equation is: distance in feet / (5280 * mph) * 3600 seconds/hour

If I did the math right, 59mph pass takes 0.97 seconds while 52 mph pass takes 1.1 seconds to cover 84 ft.
Is that a big deal?

obviously, his lack of arm strength is not a myth

 

[AbeBeta]

Moore is a physically limited player who excels at the mental aspects of the game. He is never going to be a top QB. He can be that backup who the starter and the raw draft pick rely on.

 

[waldoputty]

obviously, his lack of arm strength is not a myth

I dont know.
For a 20 yard out pass, the difference is 0.13 seconds.
Does that make a difference - can human beings even recognize the difference?

Even double the distance, the difference is only a quarter second...

Am I missing something?
May be as said, he cannot throw it that far?

 

[Bullflop]

It's not like Kellen Moore has been significantly tested with the Dallas offense as yet and it's anyone's guess how he'd fare in the coming season if and when he's called upon. I don't think there's any question but what he was thrown in under unfortunate circumstances last year with Dez not being himself health-wise and the defense failing to offer adequate support. I'll just keep hoping we won't be forced to learn more this year.

 

[Stash]

He threw 6 ints and 4 td's in his first two and a half nfl games. What did you expect for a guy who had never started a game

Better. He's been in the league for several years now. He wasn't some rookie. Far from it.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I have no problem with Moore getting an oppornbtuity to compete for #2. I have a problem with Moore not having any legit competition.

 

[Stash]

It's amazing how fans will try to tell themselves "it's not that bad", even when it clearly is. The team failed to address backup quarterback, so now people will try to put a shine on a turd like Moore. They're weaker at defensive end, but some will still say they're "excited" about that group.



Fandom doesn't require blinders.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I am sure he will get it. He is the first QB that they have drafted in years and he is getting an unreal amount of attention already. He has went from a low tier QB a few days ago to the future of the team. Realty is gonna really hit those exoectations hard when fans realize that there was a reason that he was not drafted higher. He could be better than Moore though. That is not saying much.

Moore appears to have the mental side of the game down but his physical side is woefully lacking. Prescott appears to have the mental makeup (character) but it is his physical ability that is giving him an opportunity.

 

[robjay04]

It's amazing how fans will try to tell themselves "it's not that bad", even when it clearly is. The team failed to address backup quarterback, so now people will try to put a shine on a turd like Moore. They're weaker at defensive end, but some will still say they're "excited" about that group.



Fandom doesn't require blinders.

The question is.

What options were out there over the course of the last two years to significantly upgrade our backup QB position? All I ask is, be reasonable, Chase Daniels was never an option and neither was a player that resigned with their own team. Players signing with teams to compete for a starting spot (Griffin, Fitzpatrick etc.) were not an option. The only option that has been presented in this thread would be Hoyer who is also a flawed, UDFA that has been average at best in the lineup.

Quality backups don't hit the market. They either resign with their own team or they sign somewhere for more money than we would've paid to compete for a starting spot. As previously stated in this thread, Matt Cassell can be considered the prime backup to hit the market considering he received a contract day one of FA.