Kellen Moore tenets

[StuckMojo]

Teams have adjusted and Moore hasn’t figured out how to counter

 

[Birch_Wood]

repeating what other are saying but you have to keep making counters to offset other teams moves. Moore came in with no experience and a game plan with no breadth. Took other teams few games to figure him out. Moore appears lost on his counter. Should have had more training before they made him the OC. Only bright side is Romo has stop drooling over him during games. Another Garrett leftover-he kept fawning over him to Jerry who bought in.

It seemed to soon to make him OC, I thought the same thing. Do you think it's just as simple as other coordinators have figured him out? That is a possibility.

 

[CWR]

Here's my disclaimer: I was not a Moore fan initially. I thought he should be working in the concession stand. But I like what he has done so far.
6 out of the first 8 weeks (1 being a bye) Cowboys play calling was on the money. Moore's play calling seemed to be an advantage in my humble opinion. Recall how long this team suffered plain, vanilla play calling pre-Moore. Other defensive teams were calling our plays on the field seconds before they happened. This is the opposite of Moore play-calling.

What Moore brings to the table are multiple different (and sometimes unique) looks to the offense.

• multiple looks with plenty of options for the QB
• unique formation looks i.e. lineman as a fullback
• player mismatches

Along with the many offensive revisions, is the challenge to keep up with the alterations of the offense. Moore uses multiple different formations to make the defense pick their poison. What will the defense choose to address this play? Slide a linebacker over, slide a safety to one side? Within this formation there are multiple options for the QB. But both QB, blockers, and receivers still have to execute for it to be successful.

I don't think right now there is one label or system that defenders can use to identify the Cowboys offense. They really don't know what type of offense Moore will bring next. For some reason as of late this has not been working like it did for the first 6 out of 7 games. Lots of possibilities why. Players are currently executing less. Is this because of play-calling?

The downside of change, (if there is one) the offense is always learning new and different plays. One of the reasons we are seeing a few on offense collect more than their fair share of penalties. Of course, the QB gets the blunt of this information overload as the leader of the team.

Consistency and execution seem to be an underlying factor. I realize this sounds like generic reasoning. But consistency and execution can be vastly underrated by players. It can only be developed by intense practice and creating an environment where practice is more difficult than the game. Repetition.

Within Moore's play calling, a player has to be willing to perform any role deemed necessary. CeeDee may run the ball. A lineman may line up as a fullback or a receiver. I believe Moore is creating the mismatches, but the players are not executing as well. But I also know I could be wrong. I missed the Denver and the Washington game because of travel. Just my drive by 2 cents worth.

What are your thoughts?

They are crowding the passing game by dropping LBs and safeties into coverage. Oline hasn't been great with stopping 4 man rush and when it is a run the rbs don't get past the first level often enough.

Moore hasn't adjusted. Maybe he's handicapped with Daks leg, because Dak should make them pay by running for daylight, and he's not.

Then there is the issue of miscommunication, which has reared its ugly head at least 3-4 times a game in the last month. He needs to get that straightened out immediately. There's little excuse for them to not be on the same page. Dak throws to one spot and the wr runs to another. It's going to happen now and again but it's way too frequent currently.

 

[fredp22]

It seemed to soon to make him OC, I thought the same thing. Do you think it's just as simple as other coordinators have figured him out? That is a possibility.

I definitely think they made adjustments to defend his offensive strategy.
also think Moore is coaching like Garrett- by that I mean he calling plays he thinks will work in that situation regardless of other teams strengths/weaknesses (Garrett, Chip Kelly way of coaching). Successful coaches usually coach to other teams weaknesses using their current strengths (Landry style).

 

[Birch_Wood]

They are crowding the passing game by dropping LBs and safeties into coverage. Oline hasn't been great with stopping 4 man rush and when it is a run the rbs don't get past the first level often enough.

Moore hasn't adjusted. Maybe he's handicapped with Daks leg, because Dak should make them pay by running for daylight, and he's not.

Then there is the issue of miscommunication, which has reared its ugly head at least 3-4 times a game in the last month. He needs to get that straightened out immediately. There's little excuse for them to not be on the same page. Dak throws to one spot and the wr runs to another. It's going to happen now and again but it's way too frequent currently.

I agree with what you say. Also, Dak is healthy according to Moore, Quinn and McCarthy. I do think they are leaving successfully called plays on the field as a result of poor execution.

 

[Birch_Wood]

There was not one tenet divulged in this post.

How about this for a better title:
Kellen Moore A Beautiful Mind

 

[Silly]

I don't know about Moore. I think you could make the argument that he needs all pros at every level to make his offense work!

 

[Blast From The Past]

Here's my disclaimer: I was not a Moore fan initially. I thought he should be working in the concession stand. But I like what he has done so far.
6 out of the first 8 weeks (1 being a bye) Cowboys play calling was on the money. Moore's play calling seemed to be an advantage in my humble opinion. Recall how long this team suffered plain, vanilla play calling pre-Moore. Other defensive teams were calling our plays on the field seconds before they happened. This is the opposite of Moore play-calling.

What Moore brings to the table are multiple different (and sometimes unique) looks to the offense.

• multiple looks with plenty of options for the QB
• unique formation looks i.e. lineman as a fullback
• player mismatches

Along with the many offensive revisions, is the challenge to keep up with the alterations of the offense. Moore uses multiple different formations to make the defense pick their poison. What will the defense choose to address this play? Slide a linebacker over, slide a safety to one side? Within this formation there are multiple options for the QB. But both QB, blockers, and receivers still have to execute for it to be successful.

I don't think right now there is one label or system that defenders can use to identify the Cowboys offense. They really don't know what type of offense Moore will bring next. For some reason as of late this has not been working like it did for the first 6 out of 7 games. Lots of possibilities why. Players are currently executing less. Is this because of play-calling?

The downside of change, (if there is one) the offense is always learning new and different plays. One of the reasons we are seeing a few on offense collect more than their fair share of penalties. Of course, the QB gets the blunt of this information overload as the leader of the team.

Consistency and execution seem to be an underlying factor. I realize this sounds like generic reasoning. But consistency and execution can be vastly underrated by players. It can only be developed by intense practice and creating an environment where practice is more difficult than the game. Repetition.

Within Moore's play calling, a player has to be willing to perform any role deemed necessary. CeeDee may run the ball. A lineman may line up as a fullback or a receiver. I believe Moore is creating the mismatches, but the players are not executing as well. But I also know I could be wrong. I missed the Denver and the Washington game because of travel. Just my drive by 2 cents worth.

What are your thoughts?

Ditto

 

[Blast From The Past]

He has shown no counter punch. His offense has been stonewalled and he has no answer. Last Sunday we starting seeing ridiculous gadget plays come out of the playbook. I am surprised that when they practiced those dumb-azz gadget plays, the QB or someone didn't say; Hell No!

The gadget plays may well have worked in practice. We weren't their. If they didn't work their it's doubtful they would call them live.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Here's my disclaimer: I was not a Moore fan initially. I thought he should be working in the concession stand. But I like what he has done so far.
6 out of the first 8 weeks (1 being a bye) Cowboys play calling was on the money. Moore's play calling seemed to be an advantage in my humble opinion. Recall how long this team suffered plain, vanilla play calling pre-Moore. Other defensive teams were calling our plays on the field seconds before they happened. This is the opposite of Moore play-calling.

What Moore brings to the table are multiple different (and sometimes unique) looks to the offense.

• multiple looks with plenty of options for the QB
• unique formation looks i.e. lineman as a fullback
• player mismatches

Along with the many offensive revisions, is the challenge to keep up with the alterations of the offense. Moore uses multiple different formations to make the defense pick their poison. What will the defense choose to address this play? Slide a linebacker over, slide a safety to one side? Within this formation there are multiple options for the QB. But both QB, blockers, and receivers still have to execute for it to be successful.

I don't think right now there is one label or system that defenders can use to identify the Cowboys offense. They really don't know what type of offense Moore will bring next. For some reason as of late this has not been working like it did for the first 6 out of 7 games. Lots of possibilities why. Players are currently executing less. Is this because of play-calling?

The downside of change, (if there is one) the offense is always learning new and different plays. One of the reasons we are seeing a few on offense collect more than their fair share of penalties. Of course, the QB gets the blunt of this information overload as the leader of the team.

Consistency and execution seem to be an underlying factor. I realize this sounds like generic reasoning. But consistency and execution can be vastly underrated by players. It can only be developed by intense practice and creating an environment where practice is more difficult than the game. Repetition.

Within Moore's play calling, a player has to be willing to perform any role deemed necessary. CeeDee may run the ball. A lineman may line up as a fullback or a receiver. I believe Moore is creating the mismatches, but the players are not executing as well. But I also know I could be wrong. I missed the Denver and the Washington game because of travel. Just my drive by 2 cents worth.

What are your thoughts?

Moore is doing strategy and tactics right.
I wish I could find the right quote from Bruce Lee.
The Way is No Way. Make use of all tactics and strategies. Be dogmatically wedded to none. Don't identify with them. Don't make an identity out of them. Make use of all of them. Adapt to your players. Adapt to the opponent. Adapt to the situation. Thrive in uncertainty. Create it in the minds of the enemy. Change faster than the enemy. Get your OODA loop inside his.

 

[fansince68]

Avery OC is a slave to the talent he has available. I think Moore is good but he could become very good with a little more experience.

I also think he has a QB he can't call runs for and is not creative when the plays break down.

I think there should be different evaluations for OC's and DC's about if the called play was executed properly and on the other side of that, was the play made out of player creativity.

We used to discuss Romo's plays and there was always this mystery about how many were actually executed as called and how many were created on the fly.

And you can put a clock on it. Quick execution, executed play.

Why is Moore considered for coaching vacancies when the KC O coordinator is mot given a chance despite having a better scheme and effectiveness than Moore. The KC OC has also won a superbowl. And Moore has won what?

 

[3rd_n_inches]

I would be ok if Moore went somewhere else

 

[Dalmations202]

my opinion. Moore is pretty darn good at the passing game, and the gimmick game. Both of these are needed at times.
I think he is average or below at the run game. He has zone blockers not man so he can't just run load left and load right - he needs to setup runs as well as passes. He is weak at the screen game.

Good mind and good OC yes, but not great. Several QB's like Brady, Manning, even Romo seemed to see the D better than Moore does.
Good coaches script the first X number of plays so they can see what works, and then hammer the grouping that works and force the D to change. I sometimes think the NFL gets to smart for themselves.

I have no clue if he can discipline, motivate, has any clue about defense, or could command respect which are major traits a head coach needs. Can he evaluate talent like was Jimmy Johnsons strength - along with discipline? So I think he would have some growing pains to be a head coach at least and at worse, he can't do the discipline or motivation and ends up a horrid head coach.

 

[Verdict]

Here's my disclaimer: I was not a Moore fan initially. I thought he should be working in the concession stand. But I like what he has done so far.
6 out of the first 8 weeks (1 being a bye) Cowboys play calling was on the money. Moore's play calling seemed to be an advantage in my humble opinion. Recall how long this team suffered plain, vanilla play calling pre-Moore. Other defensive teams were calling our plays on the field seconds before they happened. This is the opposite of Moore play-calling.

What Moore brings to the table are multiple different (and sometimes unique) looks to the offense.

• multiple looks with plenty of options for the QB
• unique formation looks i.e. lineman as a fullback
• player mismatches

Along with the many offensive revisions, is the challenge to keep up with the alterations of the offense. Moore uses multiple different formations to make the defense pick their poison. What will the defense choose to address this play? Slide a linebacker over, slide a safety to one side? Within this formation there are multiple options for the QB. But both QB, blockers, and receivers still have to execute for it to be successful.

I don't think right now there is one label or system that defenders can use to identify the Cowboys offense. They really don't know what type of offense Moore will bring next. For some reason as of late this has not been working like it did for the first 6 out of 7 games. Lots of possibilities why. Players are currently executing less. Is this because of play-calling?

The downside of change, (if there is one) the offense is always learning new and different plays. One of the reasons we are seeing a few on offense collect more than their fair share of penalties. Of course, the QB gets the blunt of this information overload as the leader of the team.

Consistency and execution seem to be an underlying factor. I realize this sounds like generic reasoning. But consistency and execution can be vastly underrated by players. It can only be developed by intense practice and creating an environment where practice is more difficult than the game. Repetition.

Within Moore's play calling, a player has to be willing to perform any role deemed necessary. CeeDee may run the ball. A lineman may line up as a fullback or a receiver. I believe Moore is creating the mismatches, but the players are not executing as well. But I also know I could be wrong. I missed the Denver and the Washington game because of travel. Just my drive by 2 cents worth.

What are your thoughts?

I think Moore’s running game strategy of just have your running back run into the back of your own OL and go down is not very innovative.

Well …….you did ask for thoughts.

 

[Verdict]

The "always a new wrinkle" offense strategy means you'll often leave a defense confused, but the risk is leaving the offense confused too! I wonder if "smarts" is becoming an increasingly valuable skill in football.
Whenever you have QBs and receivers on different pages, is that a sign that the game plan is too complex for the players? If so, is the solution a simpler game plan, or smarter players? Of course in the short term, you can dumb-down the game plan more easily than smartening up the players.

Moore is not calling the game the same way he did earlier in the year. He seems to have dumbed down the offense and it’s not working. When it does work schematically the players are not executing well.

 

[Verdict]

Moore is the real deal. Injuries and lack of continuity with the Oline and receivers has caused execution problems everywhere and the offense is slumping.

No fault of Moore other than the fact that he continues to play Zeke. How much of that is forced on him and how much is him being stubborn is anyones guess.

I think poor execution is part of the problem. But the play calling, especially on running plays has been very suspect.

 

[Verdict]

Avery OC is a slave to the talent he has available. I think Moore is good but he could become very good with a little more experience.

I also think he has a QB he can't call runs for and is not creative when the plays break down.

I think there should be different evaluations for OC's and DC's about if the called play was executed properly and on the other side of that, was the play made out of player creativity.

We used to discuss Romo's plays and there was always this mystery about how many were actually executed as called and how many were created on the fly.

And you can put a clock on it. Quick execution, executed play.

This team is going to continue to struggle if the defense KNOWS Dak is prohibited from running the ball. Dak needs about two or three runs per game (one of them should probably be on the first or second series) to keep the defense honest.

 

[Verdict]

The gadget plays may well have worked in practice. We weren't their. If they didn't work their it's doubtful they would call them live.

There.

 

[Blast From The Past]

There.

Thanks

 

[Birch_Wood]

I think Moore’s running game strategy of just have your running back run into the back of your own OL and go down is not very innovative.

Well …….you did ask for thoughts.

Haha, true. It is interesting to here the different view points. It must be his multiple personalities and the Garret personality popped up.