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[Galian Beast]

I think we'll all agree that Philadelphia has much better wide receivers than Washington.

That said...

12th rated qb in the nfl - donavan mcnabb - 92.9 qb rating
15th rated qb in the nfl - jason campbell - 86.4 qb rating

They traded their 2nd and a 3rd or 4th for a 6.5 increase in qb rating. And who thinks McNabb plays better than he does last year in the system he has played in his entire career with some of the best receivers he has ever had compared to going into a new system that he has never played in with inferior receivers?

What they gain in McNabb is experience and probably a slightly longer range. That said they lose accuracy and mobility behind an already beleaguered offensive line.

This moves makes no sense, and it won't improve Washington that much if at all. McNabb will be a year or two stop gap before people want Campbell back again.

 

[THUMPER]

I am not worried. No way Philly trades McNabb to a division rival if they thought he would make them into contenders. Washington got taken... AGAIN!!! :skins:

 

[Number82]

I think we'll all agree that Philadelphia has much better wide receivers than Washington.

That said...

12th rated qb in the nfl - donavan mcnabb - 92.9 qb rating
15th rated qb in the nfl - jason campbell - 86.4 qb rating

They traded their 2nd and a 3rd or 4th for a 6.5 increase in qb rating. And who thinks McNabb plays better than he does last year in the system he has played in his entire career with some of the best receivers he has ever had compared to going into a new system that he has never played in with inferior receivers?

What they gain in McNabb is experience and probably a slightly longer range. That said they lose accuracy and mobility behind an already beleaguered offensive line.

This moves makes no sense, and it won't improve Washington that much if at all. McNabb will be a year or two stop gap before people want Campbell back again.

I disagree. I hate McNabb and I think he is highly overrated.

McNabb is more the 6.5 QB rating points higher than Campbell. Football doesn't rely completely on stats. Watch Campbell last year, alot of his stats are in garbage time when the team was down by alot and the opponents had backups in or were playing prevent defense. McNabb and the Eagles played in many more competitive games which give McNabb's stats more value.

If I'm not mistaken, Shannahan and Reid run similar offenses with similar terminology. Reid may pass more and Shanny might use a zone blocking scheme, but the basic offense is the same as they both come from the same coaching tree.

I still think this move doesn't help the Skins. McNabb has a terrible percentage for a WCO QB. He also likes to throw the deep ball and their best deep ball threat is an aging WR in Santana Moss. They have 3 RBs who I think are injury prone (Portis), lost a step (LJ), or both (Parker). I think the Eagles without McNabb are still a better team than the Commanders with McNabb.

STILL McNabb >>>>>>>> Campbell

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

On the surface, McNabb to Washington isn't a horrible move but what I believe we are going to see is a situation in which Washington can't protect McNabb. McNabb is not young and he really has not held up all that well these past couple of season IMO. He has played hurt but he has not been the same QB because of injuries. In Washington, that's going to be twice as difficult IMO. I think Washington still drafts a QB but I would not be surprised to see them take somebody later and try and develop him. They have liked McCoy but he's not a guy that I see them taking early. They may just draft a kid like that and take an OL later via trade down. I could see that happening.

 

[jobberone]

On the surface, McNabb to Washington isn't a horrible move but what I believe we are going to see is a situation in which Washington can't protect McNabb. McNabb is not young and he really has not held up all that well these past couple of season IMO. He has played hurt but he has not been the same QB because of injuries. In Washington, that's going to be twice as difficult IMO. I think Washington still drafts a QB but I would not be surprised to see them take somebody later and try and develop him. They have liked McCoy but he's not a guy that I see them taking early. They may just draft a kid like that and take an OL later via trade down. I could see that happening.

Agreed. Their defense will keep them in a lot of games. They will go as far as their OL allows McNabb to take them. They will be improved this year. More than a little and less than a lot.

 

[FLcowboy]

I think we'll all agree that Philadelphia has much better wide receivers than Washington.

That said...

12th rated qb in the nfl - donavan mcnabb - 92.9 qb rating
15th rated qb in the nfl - jason campbell - 86.4 qb rating

They traded their 2nd and a 3rd or 4th for a 6.5 increase in qb rating. And who thinks McNabb plays better than he does last year in the system he has played in his entire career with some of the best receivers he has ever had compared to going into a new system that he has never played in with inferior receivers?

What they gain in McNabb is experience and probably a slightly longer range. That said they lose accuracy and mobility behind an already beleaguered offensive line.

This moves makes no sense, and it won't improve Washington that much if at all. McNabb will be a year or two stop gap before people want Campbell back again.

Could it be that Campbell's lessor rating was due to Washington's O-line, that if Campbell had played in Philadelphia, his rating would have been higher than McNabb's had McNabb played in Washington?

 

[MONT17]

if McNabb is only 6.5 points better than campbell then that stat is a complete joke!

 

[Galian Beast]

Could it be that Campbell's lessor rating was due to Washington's O-line, that if Campbell had played in Philadelphia, his rating would have been higher than McNabb's had McNabb played in Washington?

I agree completely. Campbell has more than closed the gap between himself and McNabb.

This is a grass is greener situation. And Washington is going to be disappointed at the end of it, and so will McNabb.

His best bet would have been to force a trade to Arizona. McNabb isn't a prototypical west coast quarterback. He isn't the most accurate quarterback, and there is going to be a learning curve for this entire offense.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think we'll all agree that Philadelphia has much better wide receivers than Washington.

That said...

12th rated qb in the nfl - donavan mcnabb - 92.9 qb rating
15th rated qb in the nfl - jason campbell - 86.4 qb rating

They traded their 2nd and a 3rd or 4th for a 6.5 increase in qb rating. And who thinks McNabb plays better than he does last year in the system he has played in his entire career with some of the best receivers he has ever had compared to going into a new system that he has never played in with inferior receivers?

What they gain in McNabb is experience and probably a slightly longer range. That said they lose accuracy and mobility behind an already beleaguered offensive line.

This moves makes no sense, and it won't improve Washington that much if at all. McNabb will be a year or two stop gap before people want Campbell back again.

McNabb less mobile than Campbell?

 

[Galian Beast]

McNabb less mobile than Campbell?

I wouldn't take campbells sacks as a sign of less mobility...

 

[RainMan]

I think those ratings only show that numbers can be misleading. Sure, I think McNabb is generally overrated (simply because I think his flaws as a passer are pretty severe), but he's a significant upgrade over Campbell. Campbell is a no-risk passer who dinks and dunks his way to an efficient rating. He also makes zero plays from the position. McNabb is a playmaker with a good deep ball, but whose woeful accuracy weakens his rating.

I would anticipate the Commanders' offense being much more lethal with McNabb, although obviously their current lack of receivers will prevent him from creating as many plays as he did in Philly. At the same token, if I'm a Commander fan, I better be ready to see a lot of drives stall because of a one of McNabb's patented one hoppers into the dirt.

His inaccuracy is why I don't think he'll ever win a title. I don't think he's a good enough passer to carry a team in today's passing league. But he's leaps and bounds better than Campbell, and their respective career achievements reflect as much.

 

[Galian Beast]

You could say that the difference between Tony Romo in 2009 and pre 2009 is that the 2009 tony romo dinked and dunked and didn't take as many chances...

But the fact remains that Tony Romo had the best year of his career last year. He might not have had his touchdown total from 2007, but he didn't turn the ball over, and was more productive in total yards.

McNabb's worse accuracy isn't going to help Washington, nor is his inferior receivers in washington going to help his bottom line. You also still ignore the other factors that work against Campbell such as that worse offensive line.

McNabb is Washington is paramount to Jay Cutler in Chicago. Notice how Orton and Cutler did a flip flop after the trade.

 

[THUMPER]

I think those ratings only show that numbers can be misleading. Sure, I think McNabb is generally overrated (simply because I think his flaws as a passer are pretty severe), but he's a significant upgrade over Campbell. Campbell is a no-risk passer who dinks and dunks his way to an efficient rating. He also makes zero plays from the position. McNabb is a playmaker with a good deep ball, but whose woeful accuracy weakens his rating.

I would anticipate the Commanders' offense being much more lethal with McNabb, although obviously their current lack of receivers will prevent him from creating as many plays as he did in Philly. At the same token, if I'm a Commander fan, I better be ready to see a lot of drives stall because of a one of McNabb's patented one hoppers into the dirt.

His inaccuracy is why I don't think he'll ever win a title. I don't think he's a good enough passer to carry a team in today's passing league. But he's leaps and bounds better than Campbell, and their respective career achievements reflect as much.

A very good post.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

If Vegas were giving odds, I'd put a stack of c-notes down that McNabb plays 13 or fewer games this season. His offensive line wasn't much to write home about in Philly, and it sure didn't get any better going to Washington. Methinks Campbell's dinks and dunks were part offensive scheme, part absolute necessity due to poor protection.

 

[Hoofbite]

I wouldn't take campbells sacks as a sign of less mobility...

Who said anyone was?

 

[bayeslife]

I agree completely. Campbell has more than closed the gap between himself and McNabb.

This is a grass is greener situation. And Washington is going to be disappointed at the end of it, and so will McNabb.

His best bet would have been to force a trade to Arizona. McNabb isn't a prototypical west coast quarterback. He isn't the most accurate quarterback, and there is going to be a learning curve for this entire offense.

Despite playing in a west coast offense his whole career.

 

[CATCH17]

Passer rating is an overrated stat.

 

[TNCowboy]

McNabb is a good QB. He's got a well-earned reputation for eventually choking in the playoffs, but as a regular season QB, he's been very good for a decade.

And now he has a coach who did very well back when he had a good QB. Shanahan's teams struggled with guys like Jay Cutler and Jake Plummer at QB....who wouldn't have?

Washington will be very much improved this year if their OL is stabilized at all. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they won 10 games, though they may still find themselves only 3rd best in the division.

Dallas is ahead of the rest of the division, but one injury could change all that.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I expect McNabb to spend lots of time next year grimacing on the sideline--they better have a good backup

 

[Galian Beast]

Despite playing in a west coast offense his whole career.

Yes despite playing in it his whole career. Doing something for a long time doesn't make you the prototype...