Kiffen got owned in PAC 12 so why is anybody surprised we are getting owned now

[Beast_from_East]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

 

[Idgit]

Because this isn't college football?

 

[Wolf2k5]

Because this isn't college football?

/thread

 

[Texan_Eph89]

You do realize he had to field a defense in a team with NCAA sanctions right?

It wasn't just the "system"

 

[Beast_from_East]

Because this isn't college football?

Principles are the same

Results are too apparently. See USC record under Kiffen.

 

[Idgit]

Principles are the same

Results are too apparently. See USC record under Kiffen.

I think you know this, and you're just stinging from the loss today, but the games are very different.

 

[Redball Express]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

Well..

Even Ryan's defense didn't do this.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Kiffen, owner of the 32nd ranked NFL Defense.

 

[btcutter]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

Come on. You got JAGs on 3/4 DL and bunch of JAGs as back ups to them, you really expect them to win the trenches? And that often win in this case lose the games for us. We can't generate any pressure!

 

[TheCoolFan]

#1 in the NFL in takeaways. Yes, forcing turnovers is part of a defense's play too, you know. I'd even say the defense has been more instrumental in our wins than the offense. In the Cowboys' 4 wins, the defense has forced 12 turnovers. That number should have gone up big-time after today but the offense couldn't finish.

Yeah but go ahead and keep looking solely at the yards. It's not like this team is 0-7 and the defense has given up 500 yards and 40 points every game. They've done a lot of good things under tough circumstances. Kiffin > Rob Ryan

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think you know this, and you're just stinging from the loss today, but the games are very different.

Nothing stinging, just making observations from what I am seeing.

Kiffen's defense was trash at USC and is trash in the NFL. We are on pace to give up the most passing yards in the history of the NFL.

We have 3 games this year where we have given up over 500 yards and 30 points and we still have Drew Brees and Aaron Rogers on deck. The NFL record is 5 and that team folded the next year. That is the level of futility we are seeing with Kiffen and the defense.

Now if you want to tell yourself that there is nothing wrong with his scheme, go ahead...........................the scoreboard tells a different story.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Come on. You got JAGs on 3/4 DL and bunch of JAGs as back ups to them, you really expect them to win the trenches? And that often win in this case lose the games for us. We can't generate any pressure!

Ryan had half the defense signed off the street and balled way more than this group................and yet, was shown the door.

Clearly the fall guy for Opie once again not being able to get it done.

 

[Beast_from_East]

#1 in the NFL in takeaways. Yes, forcing turnovers is part of a defense's play too, you know. I'd even say the defense has been more instrumental in our wins than the offense. In the Cowboys' 4 wins, the defense has forced 12 turnovers. That number should have gone up big-time after today but the offense couldn't finish.

Yeah but go ahead and keep looking solely at the yards. It's not like this team is 0-7 and the defense has given up 500 yards and 40 points every game. They've done a lot of good things under tough circumstances. Kiffin > Rob Ryan

We have given up 500 yards and 30 points in 3 games this year..............the NFL record is 5 that some trash team way back before the merger accomplished..............they folded the next season..............I think we either tie or break their record.

 

[AKATheRake]

Honestly, the offense and our clock management is what kept Detroit in the game. Our Defense was lights out until the last 7 mins and we didn't really score much off of all those takeaways.

Look at our offensive yardage. We don't pull away from teams when we should. We don't keep our foot on the momentum peddle. We play safe on offense when we are in a position to take chances.

Ever 2nd and short we lose yardage instead of taking a shot deep with good field position. These high reward low risk shots just don't seem to be integrated during the game and we have the personnel to do it.

Here' Dallas' turnover and offensive stats: 4 takeaways to 0 giveaways and their WR gets 71 more yards than our total offense? Dal total offense at 268. 62 yards rushing? 2.4 yards per rush? Average gain per off play 4.8? Third down efficiency 3/13 and 23%? Time of Possession Dal - 24:49, Det - 35:11 (almost a whole qtr more of possesion).

Look special teams was very good for field goals, coverage and field position. Defense gave up over 600 yards of offense mostly through the air but our offense just didn't want to score enough off the turnovers the defense generated and special teams field position provided. The offense did not hold onto the ball enough and the offense, other than Dez scoring a + 40 yard TD that was 70% yards after the catch, really didn't generate any big plays. Never really harnessed momentum.

I don't think Kiffin and the defense are the problem. I think situational offensive football and the management of it is the problem in this game and our other 3 losses.......

 

[trickblue]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

:chuckle: the leadup to the Philly game was how we couldn't contain them given PAC 12 results...

I'm not getting this... help me out....

 

[17yearsandcounting]

#1 in the NFL in takeaways. Yes, forcing turnovers is part of a defense's play too, you know. I'd even say the defense has been more instrumental in our wins than the offense. In the Cowboys' 4 wins, the defense has forced 12 turnovers. That number should have gone up big-time after today but the offense couldn't finish.

Yeah but go ahead and keep looking solely at the yards. It's not like this team is 0-7 and the defense has given up 500 yards and 40 points every game. They've done a lot of good things under tough circumstances. Kiffin > Rob Ryan

#1 in bent overs too.


HISTORICALLY BAD.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Kiffin was the man last week. My how things change and quickly.

 

[RastaRocket]

Principles are the same

Results are too apparently. See USC record under Kiffen.

See Cowboys record before Kiffin. I agree the defense should not be giving up some of the plays they did today, but at the same time it is the offenses job to make teams pay when the defense forces a turnover. We had numerous opportunities throughout this game to shut the door down and we couldn't do it.

1. The offense didn't create points off of turnovers.
2. Poor game management in closing time.
3. Letting Detroit go down the field with 1:00 left on the clock.

We failed all around today minus special teams. Offense has to do their job, defense has to do their job, and the coaching staff has to do their job. It's really that simple. We cannot keep letting games like this slip away. This team needs to step up and quit playing like a bunch of ****ies in closing situations. ALL AROUND! We cannot shut the door on anybody. It's absolutely ridiculous. This sums up everything that Dez was venting about on the sidelines during the game.

 

[Sarge]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

I am not at all surprised and frankly - I expected this, and I expect it to continue, and I expect Kiffin to be fired - maybe even this year.

 

[IrishAnto]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

You do realise this defense has been doing this sort of thing under Ryan, Phillips, Parcells?

Kiffin’s defense is only carrying on the tradition around here.