Kiffen got owned in PAC 12 so why is anybody surprised we are getting owned now

[CowboyMcCoy]

This was totally predicted. Kiffen's defenses are notorious for giving up tons of yardage

Unless you are a total scrub like Foles there is no excuse to not be balling against this defense

Throw in Opie's horrendous game management and today happens

He gets turnovers. We just don't know how to do anything with them.

 

[Blackspider214]

Because this isn't college football?

Sure looks like it giving up 623yds of offense.

 

[Future]

:chuckle: the leadup to the Philly game was how we couldn't contain them given PAC 12 results...

I'm not getting this... help me out....

Seriously.

The Philly game should have put all of the college comparisons to rest.

 

[BlueStar22]

Now it's Kiffin's fault. It was Wade's fault. It was Rob Ryan's fault too. At what point are you guys going to acknowledge the lack of talent? Can't take a knife to a gunfight. The best defenses in the history of the game had to have talented players to make it work. It takes more than a scheme. The drafts have been getting better but you still can't get to the QB. We still can't generate any pressure without blitzing. That's thanks to a position that was taken that said, "defensive line is a position of strength". Use some common sense guys. Just like the "Fire Garrett" brigade. Gruden comes in here and will still have to deal with an average offensive/defensive line. Changing coaches won't fix everything. You still need to have the personnel to execute the schemes.

 

[TNCowboy]

Interesting that people blow off the college comparison, but ignore that the most successful college coaches get NFL HC jobs. The comparison isn't 100% apples to apples, but it matters. Brian Kelly, Pete Carroll, Saban, etc are the ones who get NFL HC jobs. Not many examples of a Derek Dooley-type college failure getting an NFL HC job.

It matters. Kiffin's a tired old man, it showed at USC, it showed at TN, and it's showing now. He was once a great coach, but that time has past.

 

[visionary]

I am not at all surprised and frankly - I expected this, and I expect it to continue, and I expect Kiffin to be fired - maybe even this year.

kiffin and callahan have been primed to be the off season scapegoats

garrett will be back next year unless we are below .500

even then he may be back

 

[Deep_South]

What would be the best defensive scheme to use with McCray playing safety?

 

[Idgit]

Sure looks like it giving up 623yds of offense.

Ok? If that makes you feel better, go ahead and say it, but Kiffin's credentials for the NFL are pretty well established.

I'm not defending the pass defense. Remember, I'm one of the guys saying that and turnovers were the problems we most needed to fix when the rest of you guys were still figuring our how Jerry could be so dumb as to not commit the entire draft to bringing in a new OL.

 

[Redball Express]

Kiffin was the man last week. My how things change and quickly.

Good QBs tend to do that.

Unless we play chump QBs like we have in our wins..

..we lose.

I think I see a trend here.

 

[CaptainCreed]

At some point, it is the players. They did not look any better quitting under Wade or sitting on the sidelines hurt for Rob Ryan. GM construction of the team and location of our capped assets feel inadequate even if it is due to bad decisions years ago.

 

[IrishAnto]

At some point, it is the players. They did not look any better quitting under Wade or sitting on the sidelines hurt for Rob Ryan. GM construction of the team and location of our capped assets feel inadequate even if it is due to bad decisions years ago.

Who picks the players?

 

[CaptainCreed]

Who picks the players?

Hense the inadequate construction of the team and placement of our limited assets by the GM also listed in my post.

 

[Blackspider214]

Ok? If that makes you feel better, go ahead and say it, but Kiffin's credentials for the NFL are pretty well established.

I'm not defending the pass defense. Remember, I'm one of the guys saying that and turnovers were the problems we most needed to fix when the rest of you guys were still figuring our how Jerry could be so dumb as to not commit the entire draft to bringing in a new OL.

I'm just saying. That is an absurd amount of yards. And yeah, he had a Super Bowl defense over a decade ago. Congrats? Favre has credentials in this league, too. Does that mean he can still play?

This defense will probably go down as the worst Cowboys defense in history. Already gave up four 400yd passers and we are just at 8 games. And still have Manning, Rodgers and Brees coming up.

The offense gave them two separate 10pt leads in the 4th and they choked it away.

 

[Beast_from_East]

:chuckle: the leadup to the Philly game was how we couldn't contain them given PAC 12 results...

I'm not getting this... help me out....

Having that scrub Foles at QB explains this annomaly.......................like I said, if this defense plays against a QB that is just half way decent they will get lit up. Stafford doesnt throw one hoppers and worm burners at the feet of his receivers, he hits them in stride.

You saw what the result is. Do you think it is just some fluke that we are on pace to give up the most passing yards in the history of the NFL and scheme has absolutely nothing to do with it?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Kiffin was the man last week. My how things change and quickly.

We played a scrub QB last week that was throwing worm burners at the WRs feet, this week we played Stafford.............................I think you can figure out why the difference.

 

[EvilJerry88]

Says the guy who can't even spell "Kiffin" correctly this far into the season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Now it's Kiffin's fault. It was Wade's fault. It was Rob Ryan's fault too. At what point are you guys going to acknowledge the lack of talent? Can't take a knife to a gunfight. The best defenses in the history of the game had to have talented players to make it work. It takes more than a scheme. The drafts have been getting better but you still can't get to the QB. We still can't generate any pressure without blitzing. That's thanks to a position that was taken that said, "defensive line is a position of strength". Use some common sense guys. Just like the "Fire Garrett" brigade. Gruden comes in here and will still have to deal with an average offensive/defensive line. Changing coaches won't fix everything. You still need to have the personnel to execute the schemes.

Wade Phillups is thinking "what the hell" right about now.

He won 2 division titles and a playoff game in 3.5 seasons and was shown the door. This season will mark Garrett being head coach for 3.5 seasons and we have never even sniffed a winning season.

Yet Garrett gets the "not enough talent" excuse? Exactly how many seasons does Garrett get a pass for? Five, six, seven...........how many seasons does Opie get a pass for not getting the job done, which I was under the impression was the job of an NFL head coach. I am sure coaches all over the NFL that get fired every year could make the excuse they dont have enough talent.

Using your logic, a head coach would never get fired unless he had probowlers lined up at every position.............he could just tell the owner, "we dont have enough talent yet, need another 2 or 3 seasons".

 

[Hostile]

Ware...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Spencer...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Ratliff...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Wilcox...Won a starting job. Out for the game
Claiborne...starter. Knocked out in game.
Church...starter. Knocked out in game.

Maybe it's just me but I don't believe any of the omniscient GMs out there in Cowboys land knew all of those injuries would happen, and I believe that they will factor into whether or not he is publicly lynched.

That doesn't even take into account Crawford who would have started if we had waived Ratliff sooner and he was not hurt.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Says the guy who can't even spell "Kiffin" correctly this far into the season.

When he stops giving up Madden-like 600 yards a game, maybe folks will bother to spell his name correctly............................Besides, he is going to be the scapegoat for Garrett so he really doesnt even need a nameplate on his office door.

Dont think for one minute Opie is not going to throw the old man under the bus if this thing goes south and we blow the division or get rolled in the first round.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Ware...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Spencer...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Ratliff...counted on to start. Out for the game.
Wilcox...Won a starting job. Out for the game
Claiborne...starter. Knocked out in game.
Church...starter. Knocked out in game.

Maybe it's just me but I don't believe any of the omniscient GMs out there in Cowboys land knew all of those injuries would happen, and I believe that they will factor into whether or not he is publicly lynched.

That doesn't even take into account Crawford who would have started if we had waived Ratliff sooner and he was not hurt.

Injuries are part of the game..........................The Packers had 3 backups on the oline last night..................didnt see them whinning about it................they win, unlike Opie and his .500 resume.