Kiper´s latest Mock Draft

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Jenkins has character issues. Not sure what they are, but I've seen them mentioned. I wouldn't take Flowers in the first. Forty time isn't the end all be all, but you gotta have some speed at corner unless you play cover 2 100% of the time. a 4.58 forty, Flowers time, doesn't do it for me.
 

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parcells316;1986423 said:
Jenkins has character issues. Not sure what they are, but I've seen them mentioned. I wouldn't take Flowers in the first. Forty time isn't the end all be all, but you gotta have some speed at corner unless you play cover 2 100% of the time. a 4.58 forty, Flowers time, doesn't do it for me.

...FS?
 

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nyc;1986428 said:
Yeah, I guess I should have thought about that. Get Flowers a year under his belt, then move Hamlin to SS, and get rid of Roy Williams after this season.

That works for me.

i think this team is desperate for corners. You need 3 quality corners and I see 1.5 on the roster. The .5 is given for Henry's age and injuries.
 

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On another site which contains multiple mock drafts, Kiper's top 25 board is listed. No projections as to where each player goes but it interesting in light of Kiper's mock. Sure be interesting to see whether other mocks begin making major changes. It Kiper's mock is accurate, we lose any chance get Cromartie but now Jenkins & McKelvin could come into play -- that's if other NFL teams buy into Kiper's ratings.

Kiper's Top Board

1. Darren McFadden Jr. RB Arkansas unchanged
2. Matt Ryan Sr. QB Boston College moving up
3. Glenn Dorsey Sr. DT LSU moving down
4. Chris Long Sr. DE Virginia moving up
5. Jake Long Sr. OT Michigan moving up
6. Sedrick Ellis Sr. DT USC unchanged
7. Vernon Gholston Jr. DE Ohio St. moving up
8. Aqib Talib Jr. CB Kansas moving down
9. Phillip Merling Jr. DE Clemson moving up
10. Chris Williams Sr. OT Vanderbilt moving up
11. Ryan Clady Jr. OT Boise St. moving down
12. Rashard Mendenhall Jr. RB Illinois moving up
13. Kentwan Balmer Sr. DT North Carolina moving down
14. Leodis McKelvin Sr. CB Troy moving down
15. Malcolm Kelly Jr. WR Oklahoma moving down
16. Jonathan Stewart Jr. RB Oregon moving down
17. Calais Campbell Jr. DE Miami moving down
18. Jeff Otah Sr. OT Pittsburgh unchanged
19. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Sr. CB Tennessee St. moving up
20. Brandon Albert Jr. OG Virginia moving up
21. Derrick Harvey Jr. DE Florida moving up
22. Mike Jenkins Sr. CB South Florida moving down
23. Keith Rivers Sr. LB USC moving up
24. Chilo Rachal Jr. OG USC moving down
25. DeSean Jackson Jr. WR California moving up

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Felix Jones
Fred Davis
Dan Connor
 

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nyc;1986416 said:
Yes, but it's more important for me to be happy with the picks. Why? Because I'm the smartest fan that exist. ;) :D :p:

well at least i know who to listen to now! : ) not wild about them all but i do think felix jones is going to be a good back - so i can't complain about that.
 

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abersonc;1986384 said:
I think folks hate this draft b/c it doesn't jibe with the fantasy of us getting Cromartie

I hate it because Jones and Flowers are questionable 1st round candidates.
 

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I think it's hilarious that the Bengals are likely to draft Phillip Merling, who is essentially a Justin Smith clone.
 

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Zimmy Lives;1986444 said:
I hate it because Jones and Flowers are questionable 1st round candidates.

As many mock drafts as their are that have us taking Jones. I would say that the chances of us actually drafting Jones are pretty slim.

I can't remember the last time the people that do all these mock drafts got a Jerry Jones pick right.....
 

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FCBarca;1986419 said:
Felix Jones shouldn't even be listed as a potential draft pick anymore

Why? His 4.47 forty time wasn't as good as Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles, but then again no one really expected it to be. But his 10 and 20 yard splits are almost identical to Jamal Charles.

His 20 yard shuffle was the 2nd best among RBs. And almost all the other work out numbers were the same. The knock comes from the 8 reps on the bench press (which Charles and Johnson chose not to do), but I'm willing to bet when he lifts at his pro day the 3 will put up similar numbers as well.
 

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this is horrible...first of all...with the kind of money Barber is going to get...WHY WOULD WE DRAFT A RB IN THE 1st ROUND? Secondly, Brandon Flowers is not a 1st round talent!
 

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Still wondering what's the best strategy with those two #1s...Take two CBs, CB & WR or CB & RB?

With such a deep draft in CBs, almost think you take two CBs, non?

These are my top 5 in each area:

CB

1. DRC
2. Jenkins
3. McKelvin
4. Cason
5. Talib


WR (Left Jackson out cuz he'll be gone and Sweed because he's overrated)

1. Kelly
2. Doucet
3. Hardy
4. Thomas
5. Manningham



RB (Obvious omission of McFadden and say no to Felix)

1. Chris Johnson
2. Stewart
3. Mendenhall
4. Kevin Smith
5. Charles
 

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parcells316;1986423 said:
Jenkins has character issues. Not sure what they are, but I've seen them mentioned. I wouldn't take Flowers in the first. Forty time isn't the end all be all, but you gotta have some speed at corner unless you play cover 2 100% of the time. a 4.58 forty, Flowers time, doesn't do it for me.
Let's see what he clocks in his Pro-Day, he may surprise.....
 

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FCBarca;1986492 said:
WR (Left Jackson out cuz he'll be gone and Sweed because he's overrated)
Leave Jackson out because he sucks. I'm open to drafting Sweed. The guy played at Texas. A team that isn't known to produce prolific passing QBs.
 

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Hostile;1986375 said:
If Kenny Phillips falls that far, I think we have to seriously consider taking him with one of our 2 firsts.
Phillips to SS or FS w/ Hamlin to SS? Would work for me although there is that ELEPHANT in the room that would have to be dealt with if we took Phillips.....;)
 

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This mock draft sucks! This really make me think twice about looking at ESPN on draft weekend with Mel Kiper on there....
 

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5mics;1986531 said:
Phillips to SS or FS w/ Hamlin to SS? Would work for me although there is that ELEPHANT in the room that would have to be dealt with if we took Phillips.....;)

If you ask me, Phillips is riding on the past success of former Miami safeties. I'd say he's certainly a 1st round talent, but early mock's had him going in like the top 10, and I don't think he's anywhere near as talented as Taylor was, and certainly not as talented as Ed Reed.
 

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I don't think the MOCK draft Kiper has put up sucks at all, but I do think the selections available for us suck.

The bottom line is that when you are selecting #22 and #28, you aren't going to get first round talents at the positions you need unless you are awfully lucky. Sitting that low means you don't get a true first round RB...there are only 3 available. You are likely to be drafting the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th best CB, not a true first round blue chipper. You may get the 3rd best WR, but they aren't all that spectacular.

What's probably good about Kiper's draft? He's probably correct, not in which teams they go to, but the fact that most of the names we like and covet will be gone before we pick.

It's simple really...either move up into the middle of round 1 to get a shot at one of the better CB's or WR's, or you move out of round 1 and stockpile selections, hoping someone else covets a player that you don't.

While I don't want to use a first round pick on Felix Jones, I'd mess my pants if we took one of the 2nd or 3rd round backs mentioned by others in the first round...that would be insane.

If we sit where we are in round 1, we'll be fortunate to get two contributers or one future starter. Last year you got the player you wanted where you wanted him and garnered the extra #1 this year...we were all hoping that #1 would be top 5 or top 10, but it ain't...I'm fine with using the extra #1 to move up in the draft and get Cromartie or someone else at another position that we think is tops at his position and should be a starter for us for years.

When you are a good team with lots of quality probowlers, it doesn't make sense to sit down there at the bottom of round 1 and gather two hopefully solid players...that's what weak teams do, teams for whom moving up for 1 guy doesn't make sense because they need so much more to get over the top.

We're close, and we have good players already...I say use the two #1's to move up to a spot between 9-12 and get a guy we covet.
 

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wayne motley;1986596 said:
I don't think the MOCK draft Kiper has put up sucks at all, but I do think the selections available for us suck.

The bottom line is that when you are selecting #22 and #28, you aren't going to get first round talents at the positions you need unless you are awfully lucky. Sitting that low means you don't get a true first round RB...there are only 3 available. You are likely to be drafting the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th best CB, not a true first round blue chipper. You may get the 3rd best WR, but they aren't all that spectacular.

What's probably good about Kiper's draft? He's probably correct, not in which teams they go to, but the fact that most of the names we like and covet will be gone before we pick.

It's simple really...either move up into the middle of round 1 to get a shot at one of the better CB's or WR's, or you move out of round 1 and stockpile selections, hoping someone else covets a player that you don't.

While I don't want to use a first round pick on Felix Jones, I'd mess my pants if we took one of the 2nd or 3rd round backs mentioned by others in the first round...that would be insane.

If we sit where we are in round 1, we'll be fortunate to get two contributers or one future starter. Last year you got the player you wanted where you wanted him and garnered the extra #1 this year...we were all hoping that #1 would be top 5 or top 10, but it ain't...I'm fine with using the extra #1 to move up in the draft and get Cromartie or someone else at another position that we think is tops at his position and should be a starter for us for years.

When you are a good team with lots of quality probowlers, it doesn't make sense to sit down there at the bottom of round 1 and gather two hopefully solid players...that's what weak teams do, teams for whom moving up for 1 guy doesn't make sense because they need so much more to get over the top.

We're close, and we have good players already...I say use the two #1's to move up to a spot between 9-12 and get a guy we covet.

I like the logic :D
 

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If the Commanders use another first rounder on a DB, I will not be happy, especially if Albert or a top DE like Campbell is still sitting there.

So the Boys need a CB, WR, another RB, and possible a safety? The Texans just re-signed Demps to a reasonable deal which made me really unhappy because I wanted him. What is Dallas's depth like on both lines?
 

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better start liking felix jones. i don't think we would pass jenkins for flowers but i think jerry really likes what jones brings to the field. one of the top return guys in the nation and a speed back to compliment mb3
 
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