Kiper talks down Anthony Barr

[starfrombirth]

Yep. Less responsibilities. He'd have one mission, go hit the qb. Nothing instinctual required. He'd start off a situational pass rusher, and then learn the nuances as he got more experienced. You can't teach speed/quickness. The rest he can learn.

I don't know. 235lb is really light. He'd have to get a lot stronger and bigger if there intention is to move him to DE. Too many people want to put square pegs in round holes. He is not yet an NFL defensive end. You can't draft him in the first based on what he might possibly be someday if the stars align right.... maybe. If you think he can be a great weakside lb'r then sure but not to be something he clearly is not yet doing.

 

[unionjack8]

I don't know. 235lb is really light. He'd have to get a lot stronger and bigger if there intention is to move him to DE. Too many people want to put square pegs in round holes. He is not yet an NFL defensive end. You can't draft him in the first based on what he might possibly be someday if the stars align right.... maybe. If you think he can be a great weakside lb'r then sure but not to be something he clearly is not yet doing.

who weighs 235? cos barr weighed in at the combine at 255.

 

[visionary]

All these DEs are questionable, but Barr has a lot of things that are open ended. I would much rather take Ford at 16 than Barr.

no, neither are worth the 16
go with donald/jernigan or drop down

 

[DFWJC]

A couple of weeks ago, I saw both McShay and Kiper reviewing the DE/OLB prospects. Kiper had him rated fairly high but McShay said he liked him but the risk was very high and even worried about his upside--which was surprising. He had him as maybe a late1st round guy.
Now it sounds like kipper is starting to agree with him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like Barr as a WDE. He has a lot of natural ability but he will need to be coached up. I mean, if he was a finished product, he would be a top 5 pick. I never thought he was a OLB in the Pros but I think he could be a heck of a pass rushing DE in a 43.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Given the amount of holes this team needs to fill, its not a good idea to swing for the fences at pick 16. If he turns out to be a monster, you tip your cap to the team that picked him and think of "what might have been". Its similar to the year Moss came out. Its the price the Cowboys should pay for not managing their roster/salary cap wisely.

 

[Idgit]

I like Barr as a WDE. He has a lot of natural ability but he will need to be coached up. I mean, if he was a finished product, he would be a top 5 pick. I never thought he was a OLB in the Pros but I think he could be a heck of a pass rushing DE in a 43.

I like him there, too. Ordinarily, I wouldn't be thrilled with a raw player at a glaring position of need, and I don't consider Selvie a legitimate long-term replacement on that side, but, given what I think Crawford/Spencer give us on the other side, and that we've got a coach capable of developing DLs the right way, and quickly, I actually think Barr would be really lucky to make it to Dallas.
What's more, I think there's a really good chance he's there for us. I think somebody jumps up and takes at least one of the S before our pick. If it's Chicago, we might get to choose between our top 3 tech and our top WDE candidate. It'll be interesting to see what the team does.

For the record, my first choice would be to trade back if we can to the mid-20s where we're in the best position to take the next level of WDE candidates, but sitting tight and taking Barr would be just fine with me if that's the way the first round breaks.

 

[xwalker]

Yep. Less responsibilities. He'd have one mission, go hit the qb. Nothing instinctual required. He'd start off a situational pass rusher, and then learn the nuances as he got more experienced. You can't teach speed/quickness. The rest he can learn.

I think the 3-4 OLB position is difficult to learn for a guy that's only played defense for 2 years.

Physically, he reminds me a lot of DWare. Ware was stronger, but Barr has that elite quickness that Ware had.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Passing on Barr at 16 would give me Steven Jackson flashbacks. Seemed impossible he would ever slide to us, then he's there, then we trade away for Jacob Rogers and Julius Jones.

Outside of Clowney, no one else provides the edge pass rushing ability that Barr does, and we desperately need that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the 3-4 OLB position is difficult to learn for a guy that's only played defense for 2 years.

Physically, he reminds me a lot of DWare. Ware was stronger, but Barr has that elite quickness that Ware had.

He reminds me more of Cameron Wake. I would not be surprised to see him develop into a player very similar.

 

[manster4ever]

He's an athletic specimen that just doesn't know what he's doing. All he has is a speed rush. Once a blocker engages him, it's over. He has no push rush moves and doesn't play like he likes contact. After watching hours of film on him, I'm scared to death we make him our pick.

He's VERY gifted athletically but you have a point here. He's pretty raw...TOO raw at #16 IMO. I'd like him in the low to mid 20's in a trade down.

 

[Maxmadden]

He's VERY gifted athletically but you have a point here. He's pretty raw...TOO raw at #16 IMO. I'd like him in the low to mid 20's in a trade down.

What does too raw mean? Does it mean it will take a little longer to develop his HOF career? Either you are sold on him or your not. Just trying to figure out where his ceiling is athletically. I can wait a year if he is an elite prospect. He has only been playing defense a couple of years. I would think his ceiling is a lot higher than what he has shown so far.

I'd like to take him at 47 but if you think he is the real deal then 16 is not that big of a reach.

 

[speedkilz88]

Elite pass rushers are a premium. If he's there you run to the podium. Same with Donald.

 

[egn22]

Man I've been searching for an article I read a few weeks about this guy that scared the hell outta me. I can't remember who the writer was but he had mentioned after hours of watching tape he felt Barr definitely was not worthy of a 1st rd pick. Said his numbers were empty, teams never doubled him the way they did Clowney, and that he rarely made game changing plays. Once he's matched up against a talented OT he can be completely removed from the game.
It was harsh and I don't know why I didn't post it here because it know it would've been a good discussion. I wanna say it was rotoworld but I've looked there and can't find it.

 

[casmith07]

I like Barr a lot. I wouldn't be upset with the pick at #16 unless Aaron Donald is available. Considering that is wishful thinking at this point, Barr would be a good pick at #16.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

There had been some debate about where we'd play Barr. The options were SAM in the base, then RDE in the nickel. Broaddus is now confirming that the team sees him as a straight DE.

I've been critical of Barr, and the blemishes he shows on film are real, but this encourages me. His poor instincts are maximized at OLB, but minimized at DE. Also, he's in Marinelli's hands even moreso at DE. Those 2 developments ease some concern.

 

[Nirvana]

I think Barr is a pick you have to make if he falls to 16. He has the measurables and is compared to Ware a lot. Forget his first year, he needs to get stronger and learn the position more at WDE. But he's too much of a prospect to pass up. I'm not going to kid myself that he could be a force in 2014 as I was not impressed with his film as far as immediate NFL production is concerned. He's not there yet, but he could get there.

Combine results Barr vs. Ware

Ware’s combine results were 6-4, 262lbs, 1.62s 10-yard split, 6.83s 3 cone drill, 4.07s short shuttle and 34” arms. Barr’s combine results were 6-4.7, 255lbs, 1.56s 10-yard split, 6.82s 3 cone drill, 4.19s short shuttle and 33 ½” arms. The biggest difference was that Ware put up 27 bench press reps compared to Barr’s 15.

 

[Gaede]

Barr is definitely a project. But even being a project, look how much he produced. And his best skill is our biggest need.

We don't need a Bobby Carpenter. We're not going to get much better with a solid, low risk player. We need a Ware. Someone who can make plays.

That's precisely why you do swing for the fences @ 16. Sure, we've a ton of holes, but one playmaker can hide a lot of deficiencies.

 

[Alexander]

It is not that hard to figure out with Barr. Bulk him up, work on his technique and send him after the QB as a pass rusher. Work him in situations if you have to, but he has all the tools.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

From what i've seen, and I don't watch as much tape as the experts, I would rather have Attaochu.