Kirk Cousins better than Romo? Puh-leaze

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Forget Tiki. Mr. I'm so smart. How many years did it take him to realize that you're supposed to hang onto the ball? And that took TC figuring out little gimmicks to drum it into his head.

Cousins has an upside chance. The rest of the team wasn't exactly stellar, which is why they couldn't beat anybody with a winning record. I don't think that was because of Cousins.

I'll still take Romo in an either/or debate - even as they are right now.

Yeah, Cousins did some good things and lead his team to the playoffs, but he did so in the worst division in football and promptly folded in the playoffs. It will take more seasons to know if he's the real deal or a short-term wonder.
 

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Are you confusing a 27-year-old QB to one who will turn . . .what, 36 soon?
Comparing a QB who has a recent history of injuries and surgeries to one who is relatively healthy?
Are you?

Are you saying that Cousins can't be injured because he is 27?
 

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Would any of u take the Romo over cousins for the next five years?

So I have to pick either a QB who is in the TOP 5 in NFL History in many statistical categories, or a QB who had a good one good year but has potential. Even if its for 5 years I'm picking Romo because I want to win now, I'll worry about 2020 in 2019.......
 

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Not really arguing about Cousins here, but surely you realize that only about 1 1/2 game of Romo's year last year was healthy.

  • The first game he had a 103 QB rating and 356 yards, and a game-winning drive and pass.
  • He got hurt the next game while we were up 13-0 vs Philly and that was it.
  • He came back to try to help the team but no way he was himself

That and who would you want coaching your offense, Garrett or Gruden?





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The Commanders fan base sees Romo as this fan base sees Eli.
 

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A 2 time Super Bowl MVP winner?

People around these parts tend to suggest Elo didn't win those Super Bowls. Their defense won them. Ergo he is a QB who is not as good as the rec ord of the team suggests.

Commander fans see Romo the same as not as good.
 

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People around these parts tend to suggest Elo didn't win those Super Bowls. Their defense won them. Ergo he is a QB who is not as good as the rec ord of the team suggests.

Commander fans see Romo the same as not as good.

I give people their props. Eli got hot when they needed him. The stage wasn't to big.
 

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A 2 time Super Bowl MVP winner?

In the absence of a really strong performance by a player on the winning SB team, the QB is the default MVP pick. Not really interested enough in Eli to check whether his play merited the awards, or whether they just had to give it to someone.
 

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People around these parts tend to suggest Elo didn't win those Super Bowls. Their defense won them.

People around these parts have trouble being honest and are in denial. They hate Eli and refuse to give him an ounce of credit. The Giants were behind n both SB's and it was big throws by Eli that brought them back.
 

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If you were picking a QB for this year you would be taking a big risk with Romo because he's missed games the last three seasons with injuries. That's the biggest concern we have with him right now is if he can stay healthy.

This post really isn't necessarily aimed at you, but is really to everyone who says that Romo is an injury waiting to happen.

Yes, he did miss games the last three years (2013, 2014, 2015) but in '13 and '14 he only missed one game each season. In those two years, his QBR was 97 and 113, with 65 TD's and 19 INT's. His 2014 season, in particular, was outstanding and put him squarely in the league MVP conversation. That MVP talk was less than a year and a half ago, and came in a season that he was recovering from disk surgery... a far, far more difficult and dangerous procedure than fixing a collar bone on a non-throwing shoulder.

Now, he did miss almost all of 2015 but that was with the previously mentioned clavicle break (along with re-breaking it on Thanksgiving). Not only is a collar bone injury something that NFL teams and doctors never worry about beyond normal healing (and was on his non-throwing shoulder)... but Romo also had a Mumford procedure, which will prevent further issues with that clavicle if he takes the same kind of hit that broke it. In essence, the team doesn't have to worry about that injury any more going forward.

It wouldn't be a stretch at all to say that Romo will be much better off heading into this season than he was heading into his MVP type season of 2014. That year he had to watch what he was doing because he was recovering from the much more serious back injury that had caused him to miss the final game of 2013.

So, while you are technically correct that he has missed games in each of the past three seasons, it was only last year that he missed any significant time... and that was due to a problem that isn't recurring and won't be an issue going forward. In fact, unless one contends that Tony's bones are more brittle than they were 10 years ago, no broken bones will be more of a problem than they have been for him at any age.

If you look at 2011 - 2014, Tony only missed 2 out of a possible 64 games. The only significant loss of play time came from the collar bone, which won't be a problem going forward.

Would I take Cousins right now for Romo. I'm not sure. I might, simply due to age. There is no question that Tony gives Dallas their best chance this season but thinking 5-6 years down the road, you'd be glad you made the trade. That is me assuming that Kirk will be an average to above average starting QB... which I think he has a good chance to be. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Tony, but most QB's aren't.

So, in a nutshell, I think Tony is better right now but I do think that Cousins can be a pretty good QB.
 

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So I have to pick either a QB who is in the TOP 5 in NFL History in many statistical categories, or a QB who had a good one good year but has potential. Even if its for 5 years I'm picking Romo because I want to win now, I'll worry about 2020 in 2019.......

The only notable stat that I can think of where Romo is top 5 all-time is passer rating. In 5 years Romo will very likely be done. He's only had one winning record since 2011 other than his 3-1 record last season. He hasn't won much over his 10 year career other than 3 division titles and 2 playoff games. The Cowboys have missed the playoffs 6 out of his 10 years as the starter. He hasn't had enough help especially on the defensive side of the ball to win more. Cousins arrow is pointing up due to his youth and the development he's shown over the past few seasons while Romo's arrow is pointing down due to age and injuries. Usually when you see an aging QB have a career year and follow it up with a disappointing year especially when injuries are involved a lot of times it's downhill from there. Not saying that will happen with Romo but at 36 battling injuries the past 3 seasons his best years are behind him.

His body isn't going to hold up another 5 years and if Jerry really believed Romo has another 5 years he wouldn't have pushed so hard to trade up for Paxton Lynch. That trade was more than just finding a backup QB. You don't make the offer the Cowboys made to move back into the first round if you think Romo has 5 years left. Cousins still has to validate last season but if you're looking at the next 5 years I'm banking on the younger QB who's arrow is clearly pointing up. Although Romo has been very good you can't bank the next 5 years he's going to stay healthy and that his game is going to remain at a high level until he's past 40.
 
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The key here is injury. Romo is 36, the aches and pains are tougher to deal with, and took a beating last season when he did get on the field.

Can you count on Romo to play 10 games anymore?
 

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His body isn't going to hold up another 5 years and if Jerry really believed Romo has another 5 years he wouldn't have pushed so hard to trade up for Paxton Lynch. That trade was more than just finding a backup QB. You don't make the offer the Cowboys made to move back into the first round if you think Romo has 5 years left. Cousins still has to validate last season but if you're looking at the next 5 years I'm banking on the younger QB who's arrow is clearly pointing up. Although Romo has been very good you can't bank the next 5 years he's going to stay healthy and that his game is going to remain at a high level until his past 40.

I am still not sold on Cousins, as a 7 game hot streak isn't enough for me. But his arrow is pointing up. He does have nice targets to throw to and the most important player on that O (Jordan Reed) finally demonstrated he could be healthy and contribute over the course of a season.
 

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I am still not sold on Cousins, as a 7 game hot streak isn't enough for me. But his arrow is pointing up. He does have nice targets to throw to and the most important player on that O (Jordan Reed) finally demonstrated he could be healthy and contribute over the course of a season.

Cousins had an excellent season despite his running game ranking 20th. Romo has never led the Cowboys to the playoffs with a running game ranked that low. If the Commanders keep adding pieces around Cousins and improve their running game they have a chance to build a strong team that could contend for a number of years.
 

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KJJ will argue with a brick wall for 45 pages about Tony. You're better off just letting him be.

And Kirk is completely mediocre. Pretty sure KJJ went on some spiel about Nick Foles being better than Tony after Nick's one good season before his complete implosion.

That is all.
 

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It wouldn't be a stretch at all to say that Romo will be much better off heading into this season than he was heading into his MVP type season of 2014. That year he had to watch what he was doing because he was recovering from the much more serious back injury that had caused him to miss the final game of 2013.

He's definitely better off entering this season than he was entering the 2014 season because he's not recovering from offseason back surgery which kept him limited the entire summer in 2014. He was showing signs of that back surgery a few games into the season. However he's 2 years older and the injuries have been mounting the past 3 years. He's not as slippery as he once was and the sacks have really been piling up the past few years compared to his early years. In his first 3 seasons despite all the passing he was doing he was never sacked more than 24 times. Starting in 2011 after coming back from injury that cost him most of the 2010 season the sacks and hits started to mount.

He was sacked 36 times in 2011, 2012 and suffered 35 sacks in 2013. Despite a career low in attempts in 2014 he was sacked 29 times and one of those sacks caused him to miss a game. Due to him slowing down he can't hang onto the ball like he used to trying to extend plays. Romo is a playmaker but he's going to have to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. He can't afford to be running around back there trying to keep plays alive or he's going to be injured again.
 

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The key here is injury. Romo is 36, the aches and pains are tougher to deal with, and took a beating last season when he did get on the field.

Can you count on Romo to play 10 games anymore?

Eh, who knows.

He's had some freak injuries during his career and his age probably doesn't help his durability.

But with that said, yeah I think he'll be fine.

His injury history is largely overblown.
 
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