Kitna gets vocal

[baj1dallas]

Willingness to put aside "Friendships" and give instruction (yelling or not), motivate, etc... is leadership.


If Kitna doesn't yell at the rookie when he screws up, who will?




Some of you who say you'd get upset when getting yelled at on the field have pretty thin skin.

Yelling at a rookie takes as much leadership as stealing candy from a baby requires stealth.

 

[stilltheguru]

This thread just shows how prevalent agendas are when discussing Romo. It's like you can't criticize anything that dude does on here.lol I know he saved us from Quincy and Bledsoe but cmon.

 

[Doctor32]

Ryan Leaf shouted at his teammates too, shouting doesn't make you a leader

 

[jswalker1981]

Kitna is a good leader, but has nothing to do with yelling. The guy is 38 years old, never been in a situation like this before, and in the matter of a few weeks pretty much shut up all critics with his solid play. QBs before him are still hearing the echos of blunders, but I don't believe Kittykat will. This is leadership, being strong and stern in the face of pure adversity, and I don't think anyone can say he hasn't been just that. Romo will infact even learn a thing or two from this, I'd bet on it. And kitna will go down in Cowboy history as not a complete mess up, which in Cowboy country @ the qb position that is a world of accomplishment. The guy is a "leader", period, and some team will greatly benefit from it next season.

Kitna is signed through the 2013 season.

It may not be in this thread, but there are several posts that proclaim that Kitna is a leader, and Romo isn't. But those people never mention the team collapsing after Romo went down for 2 1/2 games, and then finally playing hard after Garrett took over. As if Kitna is making Garrett, and not the other way around.

 

[TD-33]

Brady yells at teammates = awesome
Kitna yells at teammates = awesome
Peyton not yelling = poised
Romo not yelling = jag

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Brady yells at teammates = awesome
Kitna yells at teammates = awesome
Peyton not yelling = poised
Romo not yelling = jag

You wait for the result to decide. If the team doesnt win then its a sign of dissension and they are amidst a collapse. But if they win and he flips his hair plugs back then hes the awesome

 

[Gemini Dolly]

When did Brady start yelling?? I always thought he was more Tom "cool" Brady. But I noticed hes started barking lately.

 

[morasp]

Kitna is signed through the 2013 season.

It may not be in this thread, but there are several posts that proclaim that Kitna is a leader, and Romo isn't. But those people never mention the team collapsing after Romo went down for 2 1/2 games, and then finally playing hard after Garrett took over. As if Kitna is making Garrett, and not the other way around.

There were several articles quoting players praising Kitna's leadership skills. They didn't mention Romo being a bad leader but I don't remember players quotes praising Romo's leadership maybe there were though.

It's impossible to separate Kitna's performance with Garretts promotion. Some say it took a couple games for Kitna to get in the groove but it did seem to coincide with the coaching change. It's funny that NFL network is still poking at the improved playcalling since the promotion. Every time they do though Irvin just starts talking louder and longer than the rest until they quit talking.

 

[The Emperor]

This thread just shows how prevalent agendas are when discussing Romo. It's like you can't criticize anything that dude does on here.lol I know he saved us from Quincy and Bledsoe but cmon.

The problem is those who criticize him rag on him for the most trite and fatuous things, like his hat being backwards and that being an indicator of his lack of leadership.

Pick on stuff he actually doesn't do well, like running the ball more. That's one thing Kitna has that Romo doesn't and does add another dimension to our offense. If Romo weren't trying to be more of a pocket passer, he could really see his full potential.

That's a valid criticism of Romo.

 

[DWhite Fan]

The problem is those who criticize him rag on him for the most trite and fatuous things, like his hat being backwards and that being an indicator of his lack of leadership.

Pick on stuff he actually doesn't do well, like running the ball more. That's one thing Kitna has that Romo doesn't and does add another dimension to our offense. If Romo weren't trying to be more of a pocket passer, he could really see his full potential.

That's a valid criticism of Romo.

This is what is interesting. Romo is not perfect, but he is a franchise QB and, contrary to what some believe, they do not grow on trees. It does not hurt to offer crticism of Tony. Roger and Troy were ripped on to from time to time.
What I laugh about is those in here trying to "prove" Romo is better than Kitna to those who are nothing but Romo haters. Good grief! :laugh2:

 

[Bleu Star]

Keep your head in the game, Chris.

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Just adding my two cents... Leadership is not defined by how loud you yell at others. More so, IMO, it is defined by how well you inspire others to raise their standards. Kitna is an incredible wiley vet that exudes leadership. Romo leads in a totally different manner. His toughness, grit, and shining example of how to keep it moving in the face of *adversity (*a piss poor offensive line) are all to be commended as well. We should feel thankful to have what we have at the #1 and #2 QB spots. Enjoy it while it lasts folks. Hopefully the combination will help propel us deep into the playoffs before it fades into the past.

Now... That said, Witten is freaking hilarious.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The problem is those who criticize him rag on him for the most trite and fatuous things, like his hat being backwards and that being an indicator of his lack of leadership.

Pick on stuff he actually doesn't do well, like running the ball more. That's one thing Kitna has that Romo doesn't and does add another dimension to our offense. If Romo weren't trying to be more of a pocket passer, he could really see his full potential.

That's a valid criticism of Romo.

Actually it has always seemed to be those who get very sensitive and defensive over any negative thing said about Romo who bring up the "hat on backwards" argument, and similar things. Show me one argument from someone who feels that Romo isn't a very good leader where they mentioned the direction his hat was facing, or how loud he yells, or what kind of shampoo he uses, etc..

You guys, who take offense to any little thing said negatively about Romo or anything positive said about Kitna even, are the ones who come up with these trite arguments and then try to assign them to those of us who feel Romo is lacking in the leadership department.

As for field presence or a player's demeanor.. those are things you can make intelligent observations from, if you've seen a large enough sample. I think with the amount of games Kitna has played in now, you can definately sense that there is a difference when he's on the field in how he handles and manages the troops and the way players respond to him. Its a different feel from when Tony is in there. Not saying if its better or worse or right or wrong, but there is a noticable difference. Some things just weren't meant to be debated, as they arn't really measurable qualities. The perception that we get from certain things that we observe on the field can't very well be argued.

I think though that Kitna and Romo are both leaders in their own way, but all types of leadership arn't equally effective or respected.

 

[SDCowboy]

Actually it has always seemed to be those who get very sensitive and defensive over any negative thing said about Romo who bring up the "hat on backwards" argument, and similar things. Show me one argument from someone who feels that Romo isn't a very good leader where they mentioned the direction his hat was facing, or how loud he yells, or what kind of shampoo he uses, etc..

You guys, who take offense to any little thing said negatively about Romo or anything positive said about Kitna even, are the ones who come up with these trite arguments and then try to assign them to those of us who feel Romo is lacking in the leadership department.

As for field presence or a player's demeanor.. those are things you can make intelligent observations from, if you've seen a large enough sample. I think with the amount of games Kitna has played in now, you can definately sense that there is a difference when he's on the field in how he handles and manages the troops and the way players respond to him. Its a different feel from when Tony is in there. Not saying if its better or worse or right or wrong, but there is a noticable difference. Some things just weren't meant to be debated, as they arn't really measurable qualities. The perception that we get from certain things that we observe on the field can't very well be argued.

I think though that Kitna and Romo are both leaders in their own way, but all types of leadership arn't equally effective or respected.

Go to ANY EPSN article on Romo and read the comments. Hat backwards galore.

 

[Stautner]

Actually it has always seemed to be those who get very sensitive and defensive over any negative thing said about Romo who bring up the "hat on backwards" argument, and similar things. Show me one argument from someone who feels that Romo isn't a very good leader where they mentioned the direction his hat was facing, or how loud he yells, or what kind of shampoo he uses, etc..

You guys, who take offense to any little thing said negatively about Romo or anything positive said about Kitna even, are the ones who come up with these trite arguments and then try to assign them to those of us who feel Romo is lacking in the leadership department.

As for field presence or a player's demeanor.. those are things you can make intelligent observations from, if you've seen a large enough sample. I think with the amount of games Kitna has played in now, you can definately sense that there is a difference when he's on the field in how he handles and manages the troops and the way players respond to him. Its a different feel from when Tony is in there. Not saying if its better or worse or right or wrong, but there is a noticable difference. Some things just weren't meant to be debated, as they arn't really measurable qualities. The perception that we get from certain things that we observe on the field can't very well be argued.

I think though that Kitna and Romo are both leaders in their own way, but all types of leadership arn't equally effective or respected.

I would co-sign this post if I could.

 

[Rack]

Yelling at a rookie takes as much leadership as stealing candy from a baby requires stealth.

So you're saying you've got thin skin and can't handle being yelled at when you screw up?

 

[Rack]

Brady yells at teammates = awesome
Kitna yells at teammates = awesome
Peyton not yelling = poised
Romo not yelling = jag

Peyton doesn't get vocal huh? YOu don't want him play often, do you?

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually it has always seemed to be those who get very sensitive and defensive over any negative thing said about Romo who bring up the "hat on backwards" argument, and similar things. Show me one argument from someone who feels that Romo isn't a very good leader where they mentioned the direction his hat was facing, or how loud he yells, or what kind of shampoo he uses, etc..

You guys, who take offense to any little thing said negatively about Romo or anything positive said about Kitna even, are the ones who come up with these trite arguments and then try to assign them to those of us who feel Romo is lacking in the leadership department.

As for field presence or a player's demeanor.. those are things you can make intelligent observations from, if you've seen a large enough sample. I think with the amount of games Kitna has played in now, you can definately sense that there is a difference when he's on the field in how he handles and manages the troops and the way players respond to him. Its a different feel from when Tony is in there. Not saying if its better or worse or right or wrong, but there is a noticable difference. Some things just weren't meant to be debated, as they arn't really measurable qualities. The perception that we get from certain things that we observe on the field can't very well be argued.

I think though that Kitna and Romo are both leaders in their own way, but all types of leadership arn't equally effective or respected.

I agree. I would also say there are things Kitna has learned over the 14 years he has played that could be helpful to Romo. There is no doubt in my mind who the starting QB is for Dallas and that is Tony Romo and I see Kitna as a big help to this team

 

[SDCowboy]

I agree. I would also say there are things Kitna has learned over the 14 years he has played that could be helpful to Romo. There is no doubt in my mind who the starting QB is for Dallas and that is Tony Romo and I see Kitna as a big help to this team

I think Romo's going to come back much more vocal if nothing else because he won't have played in a while. Next season I think Romo's going to go nuts out there.

 

[Vtwin]

That's it!? Are you freaken kidding me?

What was Kitna supposed to do? Kid deserved to get "yelled" (LOL) at for not paying attention.

Maybe he should have called a timeout and and had a heart to heart chat with the rook while softly stroking his shoulder.

At that point at that time someone needs to be in charge and it is the QB. He better be yelling if players have their heads up their butts.

 

[Stautner]

I think Romo's going to come back much more vocal if nothing else because he won't have played in a while. Next season I think Romo's going to go nuts out there.

After this many years i expect Romo to be the same as he has always been.