Kitna vs. McGee

[KJJ]

The Dullphins played their starters the entire first half of the last pre-season game against the Cowboys. McGee's bomb came against their starting CB, with their starting D-line and linebackers on the field.

And Hurd is not a starter, nor any of the O-linemen who were on the field in that game.

That's true but the intensity level in preseason isn't near the same as the regular season. The reason the Fins played their starters the first half is because they had been looking like crap. From what I've seen of McGee things would go from bad to worse with him in there. Playing him would be like telling the team we're giving up on the season and the players would end up folding tent. We still have 10 games to go and you have to play the QB who gives you the best chance to win. We can't start playing for the future only 6 games into the season that would be quitting that's not the message you want to send to your team or the fans.

 

[CATCH17]

What better time would McGee have to show if he can play in this league ?

I don't know but if he isn't ready to take meaningful snaps then don't force it or you could potentially lose him.

 

[Randy White]

What better time for McGee to get on the field than right now. Kitna and Romo would be great on the sidelines for him. I think if this game is lost against Jacksonville, it's time for him to play. I think his youth and mobility may give some confidence to the team.

I think that's the key right there.

Get him ready this week, don't shackle him, let him run around for a while and find out what the NFL is all about.


No better time than now.

 

[Gaede]

How many you think we're going to win ?

More with Kitna than we would with McGee

 

[KJJ]

Third-string quarterback Stephen McGee also boosted the club's confidence, throwing a perfect 43-yard touchdown pass to Sam Hurd against Miami's starting defense, then leading Dallas on the winning drive in the final 2 minutes.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/09/02/string-qb-mcgee-new-pk-buehler-lb-butler-lead-cowboys-past-dolphins/

That was during one preseason game. He wasn't exactly boosting anyones confidence prior to that with all the check downs and incompletions. He's going to have to show me alot more during camp and preseason than a few good throws in one meaningless preseason game. Romo didn't get his chance until he started looking sharp in camp and the entire preseason.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We should take a page from Parcells and worry about McGee's confidence and him losing it if he's stuck behind an O-Line that doesn't block well and somebody like Gronk who misses a blitz.

The fractured clavicle isn't the worst injury in the world, but it increases Romo's chances that it will get injured again. There's no guarantee that Romo will come back from this like his old self or that he won't suffer future injuries to it.

So I'd like to protect McGee in the sense that he may be the future very soon.




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[Randy White]

That's true but the intensity level in preseason isn't near the same as the regular season. The reason the Fins played their starters the first half is because they had been looking like crap.

That's a little bit of a contradiction. I can tell you for a fact that although the Dullphins didn't " game plan " the game, they were playing with intensity because that's what their headcoach was looking for due to what you said: they were playing like crap.

From what I've seen of McGee things would go from bad to worse with him in there. Playing him would be like telling the team we're giving up on the season and the players would end up folding tent. We still have 10 games to go and you have to play the QB who gives you the best chance to win. We can't start playing for the future only 6 games into the season that would be quitting that's not the message you want to send to your team or the fans.

Those are inspiring words on paper, but reality is much different. The players know the season is over. They knew that the second TR hit the turf and broke his clavicle. That's why they played like zombies for the next 20 minutes or so and were almost blown out of the water. They were in shock, not believing that their year could be over that quickly.

We're 1-5 with our starting QB and leader lost for the next 8 weeks, if not for the season. We were playing like crap anyways, so to sit there and pretend otherwise is just a waste of valuable time that could be spent in finding out what our youngsters are made of.

No training camp, QB school, or pre-season game can ever duplicate a regular season game atmosphere. Dallas should treat this time like if it's 24k gold and use it wisely. Don't spend it on meaningless " bravadp " that accomplishes nothing in the end.

 

[Randy White]

That was during one preseason game.He wasn't exactly boosting anyones confidence prior to that with all the check downs and incompletions.

First you said it was against " scrubs " and now you're saying he didn't do the same things in previous games.

Well, did you ever stop to think that the reasons why he was checking down and changing things were because that's EXACTLY what he was instructed to do ? Did you ever stop to think that the reason why he didn't look so well was because he was playing with players who are not even in the 53 man rosters and was running for his life most of the time.

Did you ever stop to think that when he played with a bit better talent around him, even if it weren't the starters, he looked fantastic AGAINST an NFL starting defense ?

He's going to have to show me alot more during camp and preseason than a few good throws in one meaningless preseason game. Romo didn't get his chance until he started looking sharp in camp and the entire preseason.

Romo looked like crap when he was playing with the same type of players that McGee was before the last pre-season game.

McGeen doesn't have to show you anything. He's already proven he belongs in a 53 man NFL roster, and the next natural step is to see if he's a capable back up and eventually a starter somewhere.

 

[Aikmaniac]

That was during one preseason game. He wasn't exactly boosting anyones confidence prior to that with all the check downs and incompletions. He's going to have to show me alot more during camp and preseason than a few good throws in one meaningless preseason game. Romo didn't get his chance until he started looking sharp in camp and the entire preseason.

We should take a page from Parcells and worry about McGee's confidence and him losing it if he's stuck behind an O-Line that doesn't block well and somebody like Gronk who misses a blitz.

The fractured clavicle isn't the worst injury in the world, but it increases Romo's chances that it will get injured again. There's no guarantee that Romo will come back from this like his old self or that he won't suffer future injuries to it.

So I'd like to protect McGee in the sense that he may be the future very soon.

Have you been watching Josh Freeman play?

 

[skicat1898]

If you look at the preseason stats, McGee's numbers were as good as Romo's and better than Kitna's.

I'd put Romo on IR, sign a scout team QB and give McGee 1/3 of the practice snaps this week. That would give McGee some reps in the game plan. If Kitna stinks it up or gets hurt at least McGee is familiar with the game plan and had reps with the starting WRs.

I feel sorry for any QB playing behind our OL.

 

[Randy White]

We should take a page from Parcells and worry about McGee's confidence and him losing it if he's stuck behind an O-Line that doesn't block well and somebody like Gronk who misses a blitz. The fractured clavicle isn't the worst injury in the world, but it increases Romo's chances that it will get injured again. There's no guarantee that Romo will come back from this like his old self or that he won't suffer future injuries to it. So I'd like to protect McGee in the sense that he may be the future very soon.

Once again,there's no better time, or better circumstances, to find out than right now. His mobility will help the poor line blocking. Heck, it can't get any worse than when he had 4th string linemen in front of him and throwing to receivers who are probably in their civilian careers right now.

When else is a better time ? When this team is contending ? During the last 5 minutes of a blow out game, either way ? Of course not.

Right now.. get to know what if feels to prepare as a starter. Get to know what if looks like when NFL defenses actually game plan for him and start giving him different looks. Get him to complete his first NFL pass, scramble for the first time, hopefully throw his first regular season TD.. There's absolutely no better time.

 

[KJJ]

That's a little bit of a contradiction. I can tell you for a fact that although the Dullphins didn't " game plan " the game, they were playing with intensity because that's what their headcoach was looking for due to what you said: they were playing like crap.

No contradiction at all just telling it like it is. The Fins didn't game plan because it was a meaningless game. The Cowboys didn't game plan the entire preseason they still don't look like they're game planning. LOL The Fins HC was looking for a better performance and he didn't get it. They lost to a Cowboys team that had been looking like crap all presaeason and was being led by a 3rd string QB who couldn't even get the ball down the field until that game.

Those are inspiring words on paper, but reality is much different. The players know the season is over. They knew that the second TR hit the turf and broke his clavicle. That's why they played like zombies for the next 20 minutes or so and were almost blown out of the water. They were in shock, not believing that their year could be over that quickly.

The players knew the season was over after losing to Minn that left them 1-4. They've looked like zombies the entire season. LOL A team with heart and character steps up when their starting QB goes down but this team quits. The bottom line is the Cowboys weren't going anywhere this season even with Romo.

 

[KJJ]

Have you been watching Josh Freeman play?

Josh Freeman was a first rd pick.

 

[skicat1898]

Many scouts believed McGee would have been a first round pick had he not been injured his Senior year at A&M.... He was targeted in the 4th round by New England.

I seen the kid play in high school and college,,, he has the tools and the deep ball isn't a problem.

 

[TX_Yid]

I don't think playing Kitna now makes any sense at all. At 1-5 and 0-2 in the division we have virtually no chance at the playoffs.

We might as well salvage what we can from the season and if all that is, is to get players like McGee, Sean Lee and Sam Young some experience and figure out what we have got in them then I'm all for it.

On a personal level I'm not that interested in seeing Kitna struggle through the rest of the season to pick up 3 or 4 meaningless wins. I'd much rather spend that time evaluating the rookies and players who could come through even if it means finishing 1-15... hey at least we'd get a premium draft pick for a change.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Josh Freeman was a first rd pick.

So was David Carr.

 

[KJJ]

First you said it was against " scrubs " and now you're saying he didn't do the same things in previous games.

He was playing against scrubs in the previous games. LOL He played the entire second half against Miami against scrubs but you seem to think that makes him ready to challenge the Packers, Saints and Colts.

Well, did you ever stop to think that the reasons why he was checking down and changing things were because that's EXACTLY what he was instructed to do ?

Did you ever stop to think that he was checking down because he wasn't seeing plays develop quick enough? All his check downs led to were punts. He missed most of his Sr yr in college with an injury and didn't play in a pro style offense so he has a LONG way to go. The Cowboys would have a miserable time getting the ball down the field with McGee under center. It's not like he would have a great OL in front of him and a stellar running game to bail him out.

Did you ever stop to think that the reason why he didn't look so well was because he was playing with players who are not even in the 53 man rosters and was running for his life most of the time.

Did you ever stop to think it was the same situation when Romo came to Dallas? McGee's not ready to start a regular season game he hasn't worked with our starting receivers and hasn't seen the schemes that will be thrown at him it would be a disaster with him in there. Defenses would be licking their chops with their ears pinned back.

Did you ever stop to think that when he played with a bit better talent around him, even if it weren't the starters, he looked fantastic AGAINST an NFL starting defense ?

Dude it was ONE PRESEASON game! He would be a sitting duck against the defenses we'll be facing. What he saw in preseason is nothing like what he would see in the regular season. If the Cowboys want to throw McGee in there the final 2-3 games of the season fine but I'm not ready to see him running for his life and getting sacked every other pass attempt with 10 games left.

Romo looked like crap when he was playing with the same type of players that McGee was before the last pre-season game.

Romo never saw the field when he was learning and looking like crap. It took Romo 3 yrs to develop to where he was capable of starting. All reports had him outplaying Bledsoe during camp in 06. Romo looked terrific playing with scrubs during preseason that yr. He played the entire preseason game against Seattle with "backups" and looked great. He looked sharp in every preseason game he played that yr. You have to remember McGee is playing against scrubs and if he's not seeing things quick enough against hacks he won't stand a chance against pro bowlers and future hall of famers.

McGeen doesn't have to show you anything. He's already proven he belongs in a 53 man NFL roster, and the next natural step is to see if he's a capable back up and eventually a starter somewhere.

If you plan on starting him he has to show more than what he has. There's several players who made our 53 man roster that I wouldn't want to have to depend on and McGee is definitely one of them especially seeing he's a QB. He's still a work in progress and I'm still hoping to see at least a few more wins this season and our best chance is with Kitna.

 

[KJJ]

So was David Carr.

So was Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and the list goes on what's your point? My point is McGee was a 3rd rd pick who's a project and Freeman wasn't. Freeman was starting as a rookie while McGee was fighting for a roster spot this past summer.

 

[Randy White]

No contradiction at all just telling it like it is.

and it is a contradiction. The Dullphins played their starters because they were looking like crap and those starters were told to step up their game, meaning play with more intensity, which they did and it's completely the opposite of what you just said. .

The players knew the season was over after losing to Minn that left them 1-4. They've looked like zombies the entire season. LOL A team with heart and character steps up when their starting QB goes down but this team quits. The bottom line is the Cowboys weren't going anywhere this season even with Romo.

So if that's what YOU believe then why in the world you said the complete opposite minutes earlier ?

Playing him would be like telling the team we're giving up on the season and the players would end up folding tent. We still have 10 games to go and you have to play the QB who gives you the best chance to win

but don't tell me, that's not a contradiction either...

 

[Randy White]

He was playing against scrubs in the previous games. LOL He played the entire second half against Miami against scrubs but you seem to think that makes him ready to challenge the Packers, Saints and Colts.

Oh so now it wasn't scrubs without intensity, it was scrubs without intensity in the 2nd half... Yea, keep moving the goal post... or digging the hole deeper.

I never said he's ready to challange anybody. I said, implied, infered, spelled, wrote, screamed, sang, hand signaled, he needs to start because we need to know if he's ready to do just that and there's no better time to find out than now.. which part did you missed ?

Did you ever stop to think that he was checking down because he wasn't seeing plays develop quick enough?

Which of the many times he was running for his life was he supposed to wait for the " play to develop " ?

Did you ever stop to think it was the same situation when Romo came to Dallas? McGee's not ready to start a regular season game he hasn't worked with our starting receivers and hasn't seen the schemes that will be thrown at him it would be a disaster with him in there. Defenses would be licking their chops with their ears pinned back.

and that's part of the development process that EVERY quarterback goes through. He has this week to prepare, if the coaches allow it. Go through that process, learn. Next week would be the 2nd, with a game of experience under his belt. The following week would his 3rd.. and then his 4th.. and then his 5th.. and, here's some shocking news, that's how a young, inexperienced QB gets " experience "..

That's part of the, and you may repeat after me: process.

Dude it was ONE PRESEASON game! He would be a sitting duck against the defenses we'll be facing. What he saw in preseason is nothing like what he would see in the regular season.

Exact reason WHY he should be starting. He's not going to see that under any other circumstances except in regular season games.

If the Cowboys want to throw McGee in there the final 2-3 games of the season fine but I'm not ready to see him running for his life and getting sacked every other pass attempt with 10 games left.

So the final 2-3 games of the season, he's not going to be a " sitting duck " because ? The O-line is going to be better ? The defenses are going to be less aggressive ? Exactly why the last 2-3 games don't matter, but the last 10 games do ?

Romo never saw the field when he was learning and looking like crap.

Wrong again. Romo saw the field in pre-season the same, exact why McGee did and looked exactly like McGee did.

If you plan on starting him he has to show more than what he has.

Oh yea, of course.. and he " shows more " by, uh.. osmosis ?

or Xbox 360 ?