Kyle Kosier

[khiladi]

From reading all the above posts, most people would gather that our coaches are not doing their job. From what I read Hudson Houch was supposed to be the best in the biz.
He was supposed to make this the top OL in the NFL last year.
Now, someone please tell my why Coach Houch couldn't get the job done last season, and why do we expect him to do a better job this year?

Uh, because of the OC, who was running time-based run blocking schemes, and having such huge lineman in pass protection all the time. Hudson Houck coaches the line, he doesn't draw up the manner in which the offense, including the line, attacks. Hudson Houck a Hof career, and the year before he came to Dallas, even Ronnie Brown was averaging 5 YPC. Tomlinson had his best years behind the OL that Houck coached. The guy doesn't simply forget how to coach the game in a year.

The fact is, Kosier was here in 2006, when Bledsoe was behind the line, and the OL was considered the weak link of this team and this was with Sparano as the coach. When Romo was inserted into the line-up, the OL looked better, but even then it had the December collapse. Kosier was in the game when the Giants came on in the second half in the Giants play-off game. Sparano was on the sidelines of this game, yelling at his line to protect Romo. They couldn't.

For this OL to succeed, a change in philosophy has too happen. Dallas doesn't just have to run the ball more, they need to be allowed to maul the defensive line. There really doesn't need to be that much complexity when you have players as strong as Leonrad Davis, Adams, Colmbo, Holland and Gurode manning the line. This OL should be moving forward non-stop and defenses should be yielding by the mid-third quarter.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We saw that it took him forever to take Proctor's job

Forever? He had just been traded and came over from Denver's zone blocking scheme to our man blocking scheme. Even then it was only a few weeks and he was starting and was light years ahead of Proctor.

I wonder about people sometimes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Only because he can't start over Kosier when healthy.

Huh? We haven't seen that scenario. Kosier was hurt all year so how can you make a claim like that?

 

[Idgit]

Huh? We haven't seen that scenario. Kosier was hurt all year so how can you make a claim like that?

He didn't miss the whole year, and when he was healthy, he started and Holland backed up. We do know enough to know that the staff, at least, thought he was better, and that's really the only meaningful definition since they get to decide who plays.

And let's not get into arguing about the various reasons why Holland wasn't as good as Kosier. The fact is he wasn't as good and he'll have to improve or Kosier would have to get worse, or both, for that situation to change.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He didn't miss the whole year, and when he was healthy, he started and Holland backed up. We do know enough to know that the staff, at least, thought he was better, and that's really the only meaningful definition since they get to decide who plays.

And let's not get into arguing about the various reasons why Holland wasn't as good as Kosier. The fact is he wasn't as good and he'll have to improve or Kosier would have to get worse, or both, for that situation to change.

He started because he has been with the line for the last three years. He is very good at using leverage but Holland anchors better.

It'll actually be a very good battle this camp and excuse me if I don't take as a given you ability to evaluate line talent in only a handful at best of games.

 

[Idgit]

He started because he has been with the line for the last three years. He is very good at using leverage but Holland anchors better.

It'll actually be a very good battle this camp and excuse me if I don't take as a given you ability to evaluate line talent in only a handful at best of games.

By all means, don't take my evaluation as a given. Just understand that we're not talking about my evaluation but the evaluation of the coaches when both players were healthy.

We both agree that that could change due to any number of significant factors. Kosier's a good player, though. Holland's been a solid backup in limited time, and I'm glad we have him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Agreed. I dont understand all the man-love for Holland lately.

Kosier is a good linemen, especially for the price we're paying him.

he's so good, he's as good as two or more people

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He started because he has been with the line for the last three years. He is very good at using leverage but Holland anchors better.

It'll actually be a very good battle this camp and excuse me if I don't take as a given you ability to evaluate line talent in only a handful at best of games.

Kosier>>>Holland

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

By all means, don't take my evaluation as a given. Just understand that we're not talking about my evaluation but the evaluation of the coaches when both players were healthy.

We both agree that that could change due to any number of significant factors. Kosier's a good player, though. Holland's been a solid backup in limited time, and I'm glad we have him.

Lol evaluations by the coaches....

Youre reading into the fact that Kosier got the nod but at the end of the day he could have gotten the nod because Holland had only been with the team for a few weeks and Kosier has been there for years.

You have no clue what the coaching rationale was so quit acting like you do

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kosier>>>Holland

And what do you base that on? Im interested in having a discussion not mindless blather like the above.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Kosier>>>Holland

Probably but I'm not so sure.

A very interesting camp battle to watch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And what do you base that on? Im interested in having a discussion not mindless blather like the above.

Kosier is extremely smart and doesn't have conditioning issues

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kosier is extremely smart and doesn't have conditioning issues

Holland did not have conditioning issues while he was with us. I heard something about that whne he was with the Broncos but quite frankly I have a ton of faith in Juraszek.

I like Kosier do not get me wrong hes a solid starter but then again so is Holland. As BDC said its going to be a good battle to watch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Holland did not have conditioning issues while he was with us. I heard something about that whne he was with the Broncos but quite frankly I have a ton of faith in Juraszek.

I like Kosier do not get me wrong hes a solid starter but then again so is Holland. As BDC said its going to be a good battle to watch.

yes, it will be an interesting battle

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yes, it will be an interesting battle

i agree

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i agree

so we agree to agree then

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so we agree to agree then

it owuld seem so.

 

[cobra]

In order for it to be an "interesting battle," doesn't that presuppose that there is even a "battle"?

I don't think there is. Kosier is our starter hands down. And the way he played when healthy, he deserves to be. If Holland can beat him out, then great! But it isn't a position battle like 5th WR or backup SS. Holland - Kosier is basically like Choice - Barber or Bowen - Olshansky. One is the clear starter.

Kosier does not get nearly enough respect.

And I've never heard a reason why people want to bench him; they just do. Does he just look funny? Is it his name you don't like?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In order for it to be an "interesting battle," doesn't that presuppose that there is even a "battle"?

I don't think there is. Kosier is our starter hands down. And the way he played when healthy, he deserves to be. If Holland can beat him out, then great! But it isn't a position battle like 5th WR or backup SS. Holland - Kosier is basically like Choice - Barber or Bowen - Olshansky. One is the clear starter.

Kosier does not get nearly enough respect.

And I've never heard a reason why people want to bench him; they just do. Does he just look funny? Is it his name you don't like?

It really depends on what were going to try and do. Kosier is excellent in pass protection but in run blocking hes better at sealing his man then he is at really drive blocking. Holland just gets better push in the run game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it owuld seem so.

yes

it would