Kyle Pitts vs Patrick Surtain: Who SHOULD be the Pick | Shan & RJ

[waving monkey]

 

[morasp]

Pitts won't be there anyway but it's a fun discussion. NFL.com thinks Surtain would be a lock down corner and they do have Pitts ranked higher. Mike Tannenbaum (sp) is right about the defense it's pretty much what I said the other day in the draft analysis.

"Lockdown, press-man cornerback with elite size, length and talent to match up with any brand of receiver from any place on the field."

 

[Teague31]

I take Surtain. Scoring 30 a game is pointless if your defense is giving up 40

 

[reddyuta]

I take Surtain. Scoring 30 a game is pointless if your defense is giving up 40

just what the Cowboys thought when thy passed on Moss.

 

[JBS]

I'm a big ps2 fan. But it doesn't make sense to pass on Pitts. For multiple reasons. First and foremost, Pitts has a hall of fame level ceiling, it's just outright dumb to pass on that. Secondly, the talent in this draft aligns perfectly for Dallas to still land a damn good CB with their second round pick. I don't expect Pitts to be available at 10, but if he is, he's the pick.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Im taking Pitts is both are available


Surtain isnt fixing this defense when we are still weak up the middle. We have crappy safeties, LBs, and DTs

 

[phildadon86]

Im taking Pitts is both are available


Surtain isnt fixing this defense when we are still weak up the middle. We have crappy safeties, LBs, and DTs

So then you want to add to the offense so you can cry about Dak not winning games when our defense is getting gouged for 40 plus points a game again? Makes sense.

 

[Stash]

Pitts won't be there anyway but it's a fun discussion. NFL.com thinks Surtain would be a lock down corner and they do have Pitts ranked higher. Mike Tannenbaum (sp) is right about the defense it's pretty much what I said the other day in the draft analysis.

"Lockdown, press-man cornerback with elite size, length and talent to match up with any brand of receiver from any place on the field."

I think this write up sums all things Surtain quite well:

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/sp...as-cowboys-draft-patrick-surtain-pick-10/amp/

I’ve heard several people say he’s a ‘high ceiling, high floor’ prospect. That’s just what I want from pick #10.

 

[Stash]

I take Surtain. Scoring 30 a game is pointless if your defense is giving up 40

That exactly how it went last year. And the football illiterates tried to blame Dak.

 

[Teague31]

You don’t fix the defense then you are paying zeke $15m a year to carry the ball 10 times a game. We will play from behind all year.

 

[quickccc]

just what the Cowboys thought when thy passed on Moss.

Greg Ellis over Randy Moss 2.0

A guy that's considered a once in a lifetime generation blue chip TE over a red chip CB that's not even a top 5-8 overall CB prospect.

 

[Stash]

Greg Ellis over Randy Moss 2.0

A guy that's considered a once in a lifetime generation blue chip TE over a red chip CB that's not even a top 5-8 overall CB prospect.

I’m not understanding the descriptive terms being applied to the two players here? Where’s the basis for them?

 

[Brooksey]

I really like Pitts and hate the idea of him going to NY or Philly so I pick him or trade out keeping him out of the division

He won't be there IMO and we go BPA-positional CB or LT

 

[morasp]

Pitts is graded 7.19 and Surtain is 7.02 which is considered pro bowl talent. The only player in the draft with a perennial all pro grade is Lawrence. If Surtain and Pitts are there and they take Pitts at least they got the better player but you aren't going to fix the defense with day two and day three picks no matter how well they draft so say hello a multi year rebuild on defense. But to be honest even if they take Surtain it will still probably be a multi year proposition.

 

[Jake]

just what the Cowboys thought when thy passed on Moss.

That's revisionist history. They passed on Moss because of character issues, as did several other teams.

 

[Jake]

Pitts won't be there anyway but it's a fun discussion.

That's the most likely scenario.

 

[baltcowboy]

just what the Cowboys thought when thy passed on Moss.

Surtain is closer to Pitts then Ellis was to Moss. S2 would make more of an impact on the Cowboys then Pitts because we already have one of the best receiving cores in the league but have one of the worst secondaries.

Speaking of Randy Moss. Can you imagine him and Michael Irvin playing together in the late 90s. Frightening how good our offense would have been.

 

[Carson]

I love Surtain and am hoping he’s our guy. But if Pitts is there, you just cannot pass on him.

You move up and grab the next CB if needed.

 

[Stash]

Pitts is graded 7.19 and Surtain is 7.02 which is considered pro bowl talent. The only player in the draft with a perennial all pro grade is Lawrence. If Surtain and Pitts are there and they take Pitts at least they got the better player but you aren't going to fix the defense with day two and day three picks no matter how well they draft so say hello a multi year rebuild on defense. But to be honest even if they take Surtain it will still probably be a multi year proposition.

I look at it this way. I’ve done a ton of mock drafts now, some where Pitts was actually available, and I took him. But I found myself always chasing and trying to make up for it the rest of the way.

Conversely, when I take the corner or trade down, I’m not chasing after the TE position. That’s what it comes down to for me, not having to ‘make up ground’ for an indulgent 1st pick.

 

[Stash]

That's revisionist history. They passed on Moss because of character issues, as did several other teams.

Certainly oversimplification.