La la land

[Trajan]

I agree. The team is built to win now. That includes the QB. There really isn't another choice. I just don't know why this team has no fight when they get punched. Can a new coach fix that?

Also, they don't have to extend him this offseason.

Built to win what ? They haven’t won anything. I could see if the team had made the Conference Finals or something, but this team can’t even get out of the first round. It’s built to look good, and make Jerry money, not built to win.

 

[nhcowboysfan]

Not simple
But the chances of near-term success is greater to take this path
How many all pros are on this team?

I don't care about all-pros. How man all-pros outside of Charles Haley and Ken Norton, Jr. did Jimmy Johnson's defense have when we were winning Super Bowls and beating the likes of the 49ers with Young, the Packers with Favre, and the Bills with Kelly. It's not about individual talent, but TEAM talent.

 

[Blitzen]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

Yup easy decision for them because of their situation
How are the panthers and bears looking to you? Want that?

I was hoping for one of you to post something like this. The team’s ceiling with Dak is a wildcard or divisional game. That is also close to the floor. Change pieces. Try to make upgrades. Inevitably, lose some pieces. End with the exact same result. Dak has buckets of evidence with regards to postseason performance.

He was awful again in 3 out of his last 4 performances. Not the offensive lines fault. Not the receivers fault. He was terrible. Running it back is yet more of the same. They will kill the tier 3 teams, compete and win a few against the tier 2 teams-make the playoffs and lose to a tier 1 or 2 team in the wildcard or divisional.

Chicago and Carolina are not built as well as Houston-though Chicago looks like they have the draft capital to make some serious push in the next few seasons. Carolina is just the latest in a long list of teams with front office and coaching staff that must succeed in 1-3 seasons or get fired. Tons of young QB’s get sacrificed in these attempts. Quit building up these waaaay overrated QB’s. Brock Purdy is a product of the team around him, but does have poise and has not pooped on himself in big games yet-he should not be seen as the MVP of that squad. That would be Christian McCaffery or Trent Williams.

 

[BoysForLife]

Not a goal but it says you are close enough and you don’t want to start over

that's a great catch phrase for a year or two.
When it's your annual mantra for the better part of a decade, it's no longer valid.
They've tried shifting pieces and light cosmetic improvements, hoping the main foundation will bear the heavy burden

Been there, done that.
It's time to gut it and start over.

 

[Creeper]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

1. Agreed. Jerry is too old to wait for a rebuild that may or may not ever result in another winning team. Look at the Giants and Commanders. We could be them for the foreseeable future.

2. We can't release Dak without tanking the team because of CAP issues. As I have said many times, Jerry has boxed himself into a corner with Dak's contract. He almost has to extend Dak's deal. The alternative is to accept losing seasons until he can retool after Dak's CAP damage is done. On the other hand, What is the point of winning 12 games going into the playoffs and losing because your QB shrinks in big moments? A retool may be the only path to winning in the playoffs.

3. I don't think this falls on McCarthy. He has to play with the cards he is dealt. He is stuck with a QB who can;t seem to get up for the big games. McCarthy is trying to help Dak to rise to the occasion but what choice does he have but to deal with Dak? On the other hand, Quinn has no excuses. I think he has done a horrible job this year, and frankly, I am not sure he ever deserved the reputation he got. His defense have not gotten better. The defense yesterday may have looked like the worst since Nolan was here. I think they need a different philosophy on defense. The need to get bigger up front - something we have been saying for years - and get away from this idea that safeties can play LB against running teams. I don't know what options exist but I would definitely be looking for a DC that promotes big physical defensive linemen. Dak is a problem, but it might be possible to work with that if you have a defense that does not collapse when the offense starts slowly.

One thing I would not do is make any hasty decisions after a bad loss like that. Knee jerk reactions are not usually the best moves. It was an emotional, unexpected loss. Let the dust clear before doing anything rash.

 

[john van brocklin]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

#4.
Fire the GM.
Well we all know that's not happening either.

 

[jgboys1]

Right now we are in the realm of insanity. Doing the same things over and over again with the same personal and think that next year is our year. This team is not winning 3 playoff games and a Super Bowl next season. Time to purge and clean house. I for one am looking forward to it. How much more of this same regurgitated can a fan take?

 

[Bobhaze]

Winning 70% of the regular season games isn't the goal. It wouldn't have mattered if they went 17-0 the last 3 years. The playoff record speaks for itself.

Winning in the regular season only to lose in the first round of the playoffs…it’s like being excited about a participation ribbon.

 

[john van brocklin]

The Houston Texans went from worst to a contender in 12 months...how did this happen? Your first 3 points, is how. It isn't rocket science yet way too many fans are in love with the status quo

Problem here is Jerry is in love with the status quo.
He is the ultimate decision maker so we are screwed.

 

[Darkhound]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

You are so illogical
wher have you been the last 30 years?

 

[cowboys1732]

Yup easy decision for them because of their situation
How are the panthers and bears looking to you? Want that?

I mentioned this in another thread. I watched the game with a family member who is a Saints fan. He said he would take Dak, big Mike, three 12-5 seasons even if it meant one and done in the playoffs at this point.

I don’t want to go back to the three 5-11 seasons so rebuilding is silly imo. There is the Super Bowl champions and everybody else every year.

People are venting…I wanted to cut and fire everyone yesterday too.

I think I am ready to move on from this coaching staff if it meant that the coach was truly allowed to make decisions, establish a culture and hold players accountable.

And possibly ready to move on from Dak or at least willing to have an open competition for the starter next year. IDK…I no longer trust Dak in playoff games. He was just part of the problem yesterday but, to me, he plays scared in big games and I don‘t think that will ever change.

 

[IrishAnto]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

You think we have a "Top GM"?

 

[IceStar-D7]

You want mediocracy? Your plan works great

 

[IrishAnto]

Not a goal but it says you are close enough and you don’t want to start over

Close enough for what exactly?
Being one and done again!
Have you not watched the last 28 years?

 

[SultanOfSix]

LMAO. This team and many of its fans were hoping for a rematch with the 49ers in the NFC Championship game where Dak would finally overcome that two-strike hurdle and lead the team to the promise land.

Instead, the team failed miserably in the first round of the playoffs as the #2 seed getting blown out in embarrassing fashion, and the best option is to stick with the status quo? It’s a different game, but it’s three strikes and you’re out.

What this team needs to do is hire a good, young, hungry coach (the Ravens D-coordinator comes to mind), hire somebody who excels at evaluating QBs and draft a QB high with all the measurable and confidence necessary where the lights aren’t too bright, and go from there. Anything else will be a failure in the off-season, and it will be the same old song and dance next season.

 

[TheHerd]

I was hoping for one of you to post something like this. The team’s ceiling with Dak is a wildcard or divisional game. That is also close to the floor. Change pieces. Try to make upgrades. Inevitably, lose some pieces. End with the exact same result. Dak has buckets of evidence with regards to postseason performance.

He was awful again in 3 out of his last 4 performances. Not the offensive lines fault. Not the receivers fault. He was terrible. Running it back is yet more of the same. They will kill the tier 3 teams, compete and win a few against the tier 2 teams-make the playoffs and lose to a tier 1 or 2 team in the wildcard or divisional.

Chicago and Carolina are not built as well as Houston-though Chicago looks like they have the draft capital to make some serious push in the next few seasons. Carolina is just the latest in a long list of teams with front office and coaching staff that must succeed in 1-3 seasons or get fired. Tons of young QB’s get sacrificed in these attempts. Quit building up these waaaay overrated QB’s. Brock Purdy is a product of the team around him, but does have poise and has not pooped on himself in big games yet-he should not be seen as the MVP of that squad. That would be Christian McCaffery or Trent Williams.

Totally agree, and both of these guys were gotten as they rebuilt and were players any team could have gone after. 49ers had a great defense, and some pretty nice pieces on offense, but stayed aggressive and kept adding pieces, and not practice squad backups but serious contributors. It can be done, but our front office has no idea or desire to do it. The Eagles have rebuilt TWICE in the last few years, winning one and losing one Super Bowl. We make fin of them, but I would hope anyone on this board would trade our results for theirs the past 5 years.

12-5 and a guaranteed playoff stinker is not what I'd like to see, but everyone has their own threshold. If that's the goal, then I'm with you. Keep this band of front running players who cannot play against tough and talented opponets when it matters.

 

[Flamma]

Built to win what ? They haven’t won anything. I could see if the team had made the Conference Finals or something, but this team can’t even get out of the first round. It’s built to look good, and make Jerry money, not built to win.

Just going by team talent. But obviously there's more to winning than just that. What difference does it make if they got to the Conf. finals? This is one of the reasons I didn't get too upset with this loss. We had zero chance of beating the 49ers in San Francisco. This team chokes on the regular against good teams on the road. It's a given. I don't remember who coined this phrase, but we see it from time to time. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".

 

[morat1959]

The Dak apologist just keep finding new ways to spin it.

 

[nate dizzle]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

Paralysis by fear of the unknown. This is holding onto a meme coin or a stock and riding it all the way down because you think it might just jump back up to where it's profitable.

 

[DStar22]

You guys are cracking me up.

Name me one time in NFL history or even sports history any of the following has happened to a team that has won 70 percent of their regular season games each of the past three years.

1. ‘Blow it up’ and rebuild. The silliest suggestion of all. Jerry would have to be a complete dumb a** to do that. You want to go 3-14 next year and have four years of losing seasons and have a 50 percent chance of finding a good starting qb?

2. Release or trade the All Pro QB who led the league in TD passes. Yeah he sucked against GB and hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, but it ain’t happening. Too big of a risk that you will end up without a serviceable QB.

3. Fire the coach. This one isn’t as silly because of the way the team played vs expectations and how embarrassing it was. But it ain’t happening either.

The only move a top GM would consider would be #3. The other two are reckless and would be poor decisions given all the factors.

who did not deliver last night? the defense and the QB.. so who should be fired? the Defensive coach and the QB.

Dak has had his chances, it is time to move on. yes we could be stuck with no QB for a bit, but it has been shown we cannot win a SB this way. Players tend to stay the same... if he can't win the big games now, after so many seasons, he never will be able to is the way it typically works.